Anyone watching Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's speech at the UN?

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posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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This is the same guy that took American hostages back in 1979 when Jimmy Carter was the pushover President.


Why are y'all so giddy about his presence and his speech?




posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:36 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
This is the same guy that took American hostages back in 1979 when Jimmy Carter was the pushover President.


Why are y'all so giddy about his presence and his speech?


Do you even know why the hostage situation was started?



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:36 PM
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reply to post by Alxandro
 

Maybe it's the same guy who promised to not hand the hostages over until after Reagan was elected too.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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Just wanted to let you know that you are right, I was not talking about you. And I very well maybe wrong about Iran. I may be wrong about a lot of things. But just like you, I have a right to an opinion. I think it is sad when people have to resort to insults (deadflag) when people dont agree with them. Which happens far too often on this site. It is funny how many people think they are experts on this matter.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:45 PM
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I really don't know wether or not I can trust Iran, or if they really are the "evil" that we are led to believe that they are. I can tell you this though, I do know that I don't trust our own government or the elite who puppeteer our leaders.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:46 PM
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I always found it interesting how Iran released the hostages the same day Reagan took office.

What will happen if this country elects another pushover Prez, Obama, aka Carter II?



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:48 PM
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I dont think you can really trust any government anywhere 100%.Hell you can probably only trust them are 30%. But I would take our government any day over theirs. And I would take our freedoms and way of life too. Of course this is purely an opinion.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:49 PM
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[DP]

[edit on 24-9-2008 by tide88]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:56 PM
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What will happen if this country elects another pushover Prez, Obama, aka Carter II?


For the most part Presidents do what they're told. On Carter's first day on the job he went into a special meeting with some of the "top-dogs." Head of CIA for one if I remember correctly. (Some of the names on the official record have been blacked out.) Anyway, you remember that he came into office promising full disclosure on UFO's? Well, he never really did talk about that topic again, and some people wonder if it was because of that meeting. He came out of the meeting trembling and in tears.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
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I always found it interesting how Iran released the hostages the same day Reagan took office.

What will happen if this country elects another pushover Prez, Obama, aka Carter II?


Bush wasnt a "pushover" as you call it and Iran has become more powerful, N Korea has nuke weapons, Russia is not a super power again, and Venuzuela is a big thorn in our side? Bush reminds of that kid in high school who loved to fight but always got his a$$ kicked. Why? Because they werent smart about the fights and the needed to pick and choose their battles. BTW u didnt answer my question on what caused the Iran Hostage Crisis.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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And I would take our freedoms and way of life too.


I know you and I differ on this, but this ain't freedom bud. We keep more of our people in prison than communist China who has over a billion people. I can't say I would like Iran better, I've never been there. But even if I didn't like it there, which I don't think I would, that doesn't mean that we are really any better in the long run. And we certainly aren't so righteous as to be telling the rest of the world what to do in their own countries. Clean up your own back yard before you go knocking on your neighbor's door.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by tide88
reply to post by mybigunit
 


Just wanted to let you know that you are right, I was not talking about you. And I very well maybe wrong about Iran. I may be wrong about a lot of things. But just like you, I have a right to an opinion. I think it is sad when people have to resort to insults (deadflag) when people dont agree with them. Which happens far too often on this site. It is funny how many people think they are experts on this matter.


Totally agree. You could be right or I. The only thing I ask of my fellow Americans is to look at reason. I mean its ok to have an opinion but use reason when coming to that conclusion. We Americans have squandered away our country to what it is now borderline socialist/communist/fascist because people dont use reason. They just soak up what they are told and dont do any research. I used to be one of these people until I got a wake up call to reality in which I wont go into that story. Now I see the big picture. Ron Paul really was a life changer for me.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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Ok, what about the Shah?
Let's hear it.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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You are so oblivious, it's astounding. You absolutely just do not get it. America is about to bite the dust because of your guys and you're still sacking Obama on an internet forum.






posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Alxandro
Ok, what about the Shah?
Let's hear it.


Im not going to go into a deep history lesson but its because we as in America overthrew Irans elected government in 1953 to install shah who made sadam look like pippy longstockings. We did this because we wanted their oil. Well eventually the joke was up and the puppet government was overthrown and when they found out it was our government who did it...we get the hostage crisis. The CIA calls this blowback and we have seen it oh so many times.



Edit to add

But our government propaganda doesnt tell you this. You have to do your research. When you do you will see the causes. The media and government however will put it on the "evil Iranians" in reality if we in America were put in the same boat we would do the same.

(We have been Hi Jacked most dont realize this though maybe one day we will wake up too)

[edit on 24-9-2008 by mybigunit]



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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By the time US citizens wake up, it will be too late. It's really too late now. It was pretty damn late eight years ago. But let's not have any (ANY) more talk about your freedom of anything. YOU DON'T HAVE IT. You just don't know it. At least the Soviets knew what they didn't have. They knew when they were being duped. You guys haven't worked it out yet.

Don't be so quick to malign Obama. He's the only shot you've got at getting any little bit of freedom/liberty/happiness back.

You guys really don't know where you're headed, do you?



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 11:16 PM
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All about oil I know.
What type of bicycle do you ride?

[edit on 24-9-2008 by Alxandro]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 02:09 AM
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By the way, many Iranians are not even muslims in their hearts. Lately (in last few decades) they have been forcefully converted into Islam and many Iranians still hold their ancient faith in secret. In my opinion - which could be wrong - that Zoroastrian thought shone brightly through Ahmadinejad's speech.

The muslim part of Iran is merely the loudest part - just like rightwing christianity in America. One could argue how much they both have real influence in politics.

Sincerely,

-v



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 04:08 AM
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hahahah ......... the your a hippie argument

www.iranchamber.com... here let the Iranians tell you what happened with thier evil propaganda then .... heres the magic bit you probabily wont do go check up the facts your self

independant confirmation its a wonderful thing

The british wanted cheap oil same as we did with Iraq when we got the king denounced as a comunist then CIA/MI6 ousted him for a puppet

hell if your feeling lazy just type 'operation ajax cia' into google and see what pops up





still no takers on the how does Iran destory America in 1 week challenge?

[edit on 25/9/08 by noobfun]



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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So what it all boils down to is Iran, for the most part, has good and beautiful people except for their Government, Fundamentalists, and Extremes.
And America, for the most part, has good and beautiful people except for their Government, Fundamentalists and Extremes.
Propaganda from the Government, Fundamentalists and Extremes teach the Iran people to hate America and it's people.
Propaganda from the Government, Fundamentalists and Extremes teach the
American people to hate Iran and it's people.





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