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Originally posted by Nohup
That's my wacky theory, anyway. You can stick with alien flying saucers if you like. Who knows? Maybe it was crippled enough by the artillery to drift off and crash in the desert of Nevada. At Area 51!
[edit on 23-9-2008 by Nohup]
Originally posted by Phage
I hope my writing wasn't so unclear as to leave you with the conclusion that I think there was a flying saucer. I think the whole thing was due to a false alarm and frayed nerves.
The Navy said it was a false alarm, there were no airplanes. The Army said a few (1-5) airplanes of unknown origin had been sighted. The War Department chose to go with the Army's analysis, probably because the huge reaction to a totally false alarm would not have gone over very well. If there was any conspiracy is was of the cover your ass type.
Is there any indication that any of those "enhanced" images of the original come from an original negative?
Italian researcher Chiumiento actually tells much more than what I described above, at times incorrectly. He received the video from an anonymous source and after seeing it immediately considered it a hoax, given the evident difference in sharpness between the UFO and the background.
He then received an email confession from the author, at the time, who made the video as part of a Computer Graphics class. He repeatedly emphasizes that no video, photographic evidence, no matter how good, is valid without a good supporting testimonial evidence. In this case it was also anonymous, so that’s another reason that he ignored the video.
The fins,i reckon,could be our feeble attempts at a stabalisation device. Some kind of prototype in anti gravity aeronaughtics. I also think that the unstable nature of its movevments could possibly be due to wind,or just plain bad driving
Originally posted by Badge01
reply to post by blupblup
Why would the craft have 'fins'?
You can see the fins, right? They look like the ones on the YB49.
Also check the maneuver. It's as though the pilot is trying to display his craft to an observer (who always manages to keep it pretty well centered in frame) than do a site inspection fly-by.
Then we have the classic 'zoom off' into the distance. To me, there's several 'tells', though it is pretty well done.
Note when it crosses in front of the tower - you definitely can see pixel bleed along the top of the craft and a stripe on the tower.
1947-July 7- William Rhodes of Phoenix, Arizona allegedly saw a disk circling his locality during sunset and took two photographs. The resulting pictures show a disk-like object with a round front and a square tail in plan form. These photographs have been examined by experts who state they are true photographic images and do not appear to be imperfection in the emulsion or imperfections in the lens. Often called the "Roswell UFO." some info taken from: www.nicap.org
These images, often called "the Roswell craft" photos, (as it is widely reported that the Roswell craft was not a saucer, but a "delta" winged craft) appeared in several Southwestern newspapers around the time of Arnold's sighting and match his basic description of a heel shaped, domed flyer; These images were photographed the same day as the Roswell crash which took place in the evening of July 7, 1947, just one state away, in New Mexico.
Although the reliability isn’t quite as high as the pictures taken in McMinnville, two shots taken in Phoenix do rank right up there. William A. Rhodes, a self-employed scientist living in Phoenix, reported that he had taken what might be considered the first good photographs of one of the flying discs. Rhodes said he had been on his way to his workshop at the rear of his house at the rear of his house when he heard a distinctive "whoosh" that he believed to be from a P-80 "Shooting Star" fighter jet. He grabbed his camera from the workshop bench and hurried to a small mount in his backyard. The object was circling in the east about a thousand feet in the air.
On July 7, 1947, William Rhodes took photos of an unusual object over Phoenix, Arizona. The photos appeared in a Phoenix newspaper and a few other papers. According to documents from Project Bluebook, an Army counter-intelligence (CIC) agent and an FBI agent interviewed Rhodes on August 29 and convinced him to surrender the negatives. The CIC agent deliberately concealed his true identity, leaving Rhodes to believe both men were from the FBI. Rhodes said he wanted the negatives back, but when he turned them into the FBI the next day, he was informed he wouldn't be getting them back, though Rhodes later tried unsuccessfully. The photos were extensively analyzed and would eventually show up in some classified Air Force UFO intelligence reports.
WILLIAMS FIELD, CHANDLER,
14 July 1947
MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:
On 8 July 1947, this Agent obtained pictures of unidentifiable objects, (Exhibits 1 and 2) from the managing editor of the Arizona Republic newspaper. The pictures were taken by Mr. Williams Rhoads, 4333 N. 14th St., Phoenix, Arizona, at sunset, on 7 July 1947. The subject object flew at unconveivable speeds, making three circles in the vicinity of Mr Rhoads' home. The pictures were taken with a box camera, size 620. The photograph (Exhibit 1) was taken at as the object passed in front of Mr. Rhodes, and Exhibit 2 as the object turned towards Mr. Rhoads. The height of the object was estimated at 1000 feet.
AGENT'S NOTES: See Exhibit 1 and 2, photographs of unifentifiable objects, enlarged aproximately 20 times. No further reports have been received by this office of objects seen by military personnel.
Lynn C. Aldrich, Special Agent, EIC - AAF, FDTRC.
McMinnville UFO Photos.
50 Years Later - Still A Mystery
DAYTON, OR - On the 50th anniversary of one of the most-famous UFO sightings in history, townsfolk don't seem to understand what the fuss is all about.
They don't understand why experts have worked for decades to debunk the photos taken from Paul and Evelyn Trent's back yard on May 11, 1950.
Fifty years ago, the most important event in human history happened in McMinnville when a local farm couple captured evidence of interplanetary visitors on film.
Or they merely snapped a couple of pictures of a still-secret military craft. Or maybe it was an optical illusion, or a hoax.
UFO skeptics have challenged the photos' authenticity, saying the story the Trents told of how the photos came to be taken was inconsistent. Maccabee, who interviewed the Trents many times, said he didn't find the inconsistencies significant.
Maccabee said he's convinced of the photos' authenticity. What he doesn't know is what Paul Trent snapped a picture of that day in 1950.
Even after 50 years, nobody yet knows what to make of the two photographs taken by Paul and Evelyn Trent a bit after dinner on May 11, 1950. Much has been made of the photographs, nonetheless.
On Road To McMinnville, Horn Remembers Mystery
The National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomena went on to study the photos, eventually listing them as "...one of the top cases demonstrating very strong evidence for the existence for unknown structured objects in our atmosphere."
The Air Force couldn't find a better explanation. Neither could the University of Colorado, and researchers afterward concluded that the Trent sighting and its physical evidence was one of the best records ever made for a true UFO event. The story was placed on the Top Ten Best Evidence List and has remained there for the last 40 years.
The photo above (cropped and enlarged) was taken by a Costa Rican government mapping plane during an aerial mapping mission. This UFO photograph is unique for several reasons. 1) The photograph was taken by a high-quality, professional camera. 2) The unidentified object is plainly visible against the uniformly dark background of the lake and appears in sharp focus. 3) The camera was aimed downward and the plane was flying at a known, fixed altitude (10,000 feet), which makes it easy to calculate a maximum size for the object (683 feet).
Much analysis has been undertaken using the original negative, most notably by Dr. Richard F. Haines and Dr. Jacques F. Vallee. It seems safe to assume that it is not a double-exposure or the result of manipulation of the negative. All indications are that this is a photo of a large three-dimensional disk , or shallow cone, [hovering?] above, and possibly partially submerged in Lago de Cote.
There were apparently no witnesses to the disk's presence at the time of the photograph, but other incidents at that location had been reported by local farmers, involving strange, artificial objects moving around the surface or just below the surface of the lake. (NURMUFO)
For an in-depth, scientific analysis of this photograph, see "Photo Analyses of an Aerial Disc Over Costa Rica", by Richard Haines and Jacques Vallee, available online at:
Originally posted by Badge01
From Wiki - Battle of LA:
The blobs of light which show an apex of beam angles were made by anti-aircraft shells
Initially the target of the aerial barrage was thought to be an attacking force from Japan, but it was later suggested to be a lost weather balloon, a blimp, a Japanese fire balloon or psychological warfare technique, staged for the benefit of coastal industrial sites, or even an extraterrestrial aircraft. The true nature of the object or objects remains unknown.
Normally, they'd scramble some jets, and they alerted a squadron, but they remained grounded. They were described as 'objects' (note the plural) and they were moving but slowly.
Nice one for spotting that. This is the reason i don't think that it's an alien craft,but one of ours. But that opens up a whole load of questiuons on how far advanced we are technologically. The speed that thing flies off at the end,would crush any pilot,unless there's an zero gravity device involved. Which,if you believe the official line,doesn't exist.
Originally posted by undermind
Hmmm, nice exhaust plume at 00:27 of the Italian AF:
On the other hand, it's inconceivable that intelligent life's only example is this planet.
Originally posted by undermind
Lol it's just the hills in the background.
maybe it's a prototype of some sort,and yet to be mastered. They need to give it a wii control and get my 6 year old nephew on the case.
Originally posted by undermind
The flight path doesn't make sense.
It rolls, yaws and accelerates like a radio controlled jump jet.