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The Cardiff Helicopter UFO chase 06/08/08 by Andrew Russell

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posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 04:30 AM
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I found this and thought I would share it with you, its a detailed look at the Bristol police helicopter/UFO chase to cornwall. So many discrepencies to mention: What did the police see? why won't they talk about it? why won't the MOD talk about it. check it out and let me know what you think



To be a good liar who have to get your story correct. If several people are telling the same lie then they all have to be singing off the same hymn sheet. So when South Wales Police, the MoD and the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) can't get their stories straight, one might be forgiven for being a bit suspicious. When the story revolves around an alleged near-miss with a UFO and a police helicopter, then I could be forgiven for thinking they have something to hide.


I believe the official explanation is that a wedding let go of chinese lanterns. I wrote to the police,the MOD and the papers saying that the police officers should be taken off duty as they are puting the public at risk by chasing balloons mistaken for a SHINY METALLIC DISC. that hover towards them at great speed then stop suddenly before impact.



The story began during the early hours of June 8th, where while waiting for clearance to land at RAF St Athan, the crew of the police helicopter spotted a 'flying saucer shaped' object approaching them at speed from below. The crew took evasive action and gave chase over the Bristol channel until they ran low on fuel.


Surely I a mnot alone in thinking the MOD know more than they say?



Amanda X came forward to say that she saw a UFO being chased by a helicopter from her vantage point in the centre of Cardiff. She claims that the craft and the helicopter flew overhead towards the coast (which would have been towards North Devon).


They can't all be lying can they? I mean to say that not everyone can mistake a UFO for a bunch of chinese lanterns?


Link to original authors detailed report




posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 06:04 AM
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With this case,
Well we know if it was "real" it will be spun and covered up, ridiculed in the Main Stream Media afterwards, Roswell Like.

And I think something like that has happened here, initial reports have changed and also "new" "lantern" evidence has come out.

So we have to look at some facts to find the truth.

From the initial reports and incident did take place. This incident involved a Trained and experienced pilot with other official "police observers" on board. Something moved so quickly towards them from the military base they were over that they had to make sudden manoeuvres to avoid colliding.

This we know from initial reports and statements.

The truth is here in this alone. If anyone is gullible enough to believe that a Police Pilot, observing an object from a stationary position, with officially trained "police observers" on board would mistake a "lantern" for an UFO, and take emergency manoeuvres to get out of harms way, well to be honest I find it amazing you cant accept the UFO assertation, as it is a lot more likely.

I know this area very well. If you do a search of UFO activity in this area you will find that for many years there have been events in this area. As well as the RAF St Athan base there is a civil Airport around 4-5 seconds flight time away in a "harrier/tornado".

In the 70's and 80's fighter planes were scrambled from this very base to identify and chase objects up the channel, and around the end of the Civilian Runway which juts out on a cliff over the Severn estuary.

The geography of the area also means that a nuclear power station is around 10 miles away across the estuary, and the areas of the Somerset Levels, Glastonbury etc is around 30-45 seconds jet time away. This is where a huge amount of UFO's have and continue to be spotted to include most crop circles in the UK.

So we know this has happened before and military jets have been scrambled over the proceeding decades for UFO's in this area.

We know that in a very close area most of the crop circles in the UK are formed close to here, and most of the ley lines are close too.

We know that an experienced Pilot and Observers all acted in ways that show they were experiencing something they hadn’t before, and that the story has been changed since.

An event occurred and it seems to me more likely to be UFO's than any lanterns!

In addition very close to this area, say around 10 minutes walk 2-3 minutes by car is the a Parc called "Port Kerry" that goes onto the coast and allows observation of all the planes landing at and taking off from "Rhoose/Cardiff" airport. I have when younger for many years spent time around the summer here, many good parties and gatherings have taken place.

I have seen Lanterns being let off from closer than the supposed wedding ones for many years from this park. Literally on the Beach part you are about 1/4 mile from the planes as the approach to land above the beach on the top of the cliff above. In all this time all those planes and coming and goings, as lanterns every summer rise up infront of them taking off and landing and no reports like this one, then "police observers" and pilots make this mistake absolute rubbish.

Therefore the lanterns were not "unknown" to the pilots, and these in the past when I have seen strings of 10-20 of them let off have never produced a "sighting" like this. even though right over head one of the international flight paths exist, and in addition planes from all over the world are landing here.

Also the helicopter was meant to have chased the lantern from over the base to over the Bristol Channel.

Well again amazing, if I take the closest part of that base to the channel and compute in my minds eye how long to walk to the coast as the crow flies, maybe 10 minutes that is around 1/2 mile. So from the base the lantern was going so fast in the Wind that the helicopter never caught up with but "chased" it to the channel. Since when can lanterns in the wind go faster than 160 Mile an hour helicopters? Was it is the slip stream? Wait of course not, it came from below the copter and the copter can’t go high enough to get in the slip stream anyway!


Of further interest on the Area, just up the road is a place called LLantwit Major, which is home to the oldest university in the world, set up by St Illtyd and St Patrick (who was actually Welsh not Irish !!), and within the church there you can find the only standing stone in the world with "Arthur’s" name inscribed on it, as in King Arthur.

In addition at the Military base St Athan where the incident occurred even though I LIVED WITHIN SIGHT OF IT FOR OVER 1 YEAR, and worked from home at the time, and saw all the planes coming and going, I NEVER EVER SAW THE POLICE HELICOPTER over or near the base once.

In fact if you knew the area you would also find it confusing that the Police Helicopter was actually from the Cardiff Force and based at a helipad in the "Docks" area of Cardiff.

The area where this incident took place is in a different force area "Vale of Glamorgan" This area does not have its own Helicopter.

This is very strange as the copter would have had a 20-30 minute maybe a bit less flight time to get there!

The only thing close to Military base is the civil airport (by the way with the biggest Enclosed space/roofed building in Europe BAE and BA systems!!!), and a small town around the base called St Athan and village of same name. Maybe 2000 people most military who work in the base, 1 shop a hairdressers, the last time I was there the pub had like 15 people in it on a Friday, hardly a spot for needing the Civil police Helicopter especially as the base has a MP section and an occasional scuffle once or twice a year is dealt with by them!

What sort of crime and disturbance would warrant the helicopter going out of its normal area of operations, hovering in a way unobserved before over a military installation? In this mainly military town? I saw like 2 police cars in the area in over 1 year living there!

Yes of course the cross Force arrangements and unheard of co operation between forces, a "civil" authority entering "military" space, yes of course a little lantern created all of that?

The truth is in the footage of the camera but until they have Alistair Stewart on UK TV doing Police Camera Action UFO programs it will remain "missing" or of no "use", unlike the rest of the camera footage is pumped out to millions of viewers on the TV in the UK every day.

Personally due to the above, knowing the area, the history, the ridiculous change in stories and strange circumstances as to why that Copter was where it was anyhow

Lanterns lol Hogwash if you ask me.

This was the real deal and obviously spooked the authorities somewhat too.

Kind Regards,

Elf.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 06:13 AM
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Great post with great background information on the area

have a star



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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nothing exciting like this ever happened when i lived in barry


but yeah how could a lantern get across the channel that quick and why would a police helicopter chase a lantern anyway



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by expatwhite
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Great post with great background information on the area

have a star


I second that, excellent sounds like a fantastic place to do a UFO watch on a nice summers evening. I wouldn't of been able to have given this topic justice like you did well done.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by expatwhite
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Great post with great background information on the area

have a star


Well thank you, and also franspeakfree.

I was rushing this morning, I wish sometimes I had more time to sort out the grammar, give some links and post more solid replies though...


otto2294,
Well mate maybe did but you never heard of it :-)

I do remember a guy being arrested in the town center of Barry carrying a Samurai sword and going on a bit of a rampage, earthly I know but quite "out there!"

You can corroborate then what I mean?
PorthKerry Park and how close to the civil runway it is and all the parties, certainly in the past maybe more, that are there with fires, lanterns flourescant juggling stuff and the like in the summer's just below the Civil Airport?

As you said from the actual base of St Athan if the helicopter started chasing it from there, there is no physical way it would not catch up with a Lantern before the Bristol channel with even half its available speed?

You ever seen that helicopter over the base before?
I know it goes to Barry sometimes which is a lot closer to Cardiff than St Athan, as it’s a major town, with some quite big "scuffles" on weekends, why was it looking for fighting lads, stolen cars over a Military base stationary?

Also the downwash and air disturbance around a Lantern from the helicopter if it got near a "lantern" would have put out the candle or crashed and burnt it!

I am gutted no camcorder footage was available for this event, just by using the luminosity given off the Lantern hypothesis could be negated immediately!

This base is quite big, huge infact and much building work has been undertaken there over the last few years.

It is nowadays since the end of the "last" not "new" cold war, it has been used as a maintenance base mainly. Most RAF planes unless very specialised like Nimrod's etc anyhow all the Harriers and Tornado's are serviced and sent here to be fixed, or to commission new ones. There is a small, and not known to me type of R&D part of it to.

This is probably the clue the R&D bit.

Anyhow it recently was going to close and after the usual spin and whatever it is now becoming the Main "Training Academy/Base" of the RAF/Navy/Army for cross discipline training, and further specialised training.

The large Building I mentioned in my previous post, is at the end of the Civil Airport, closest to the military one.

You can park , I have seen them entering and leaving once or twice, an entire Jumbo 747 and close the doors with lots and lots of room left.

This civil airport has links with the St Athan Base as it has a Long Runway and Concorde and the like could use it. Some B'52's stopped there very quickly before Iraq 2 and seemed to be serviced from St Athan Military base via the Civil Airport.

You could put what you wanted in that Hanger and no one would have a clue, it’s huge. Largest building in Europe very close to the Army/Navy/Raf new base.

Of Interest as well in these bits of information on the area, that might explain any reason for a "visitation" by interested Intelligence, is that between this hanger and the Base of St Athan there is first of all, lots of very muddy boggy ground, un walk able any season, maybe 10 acres before one of Britain’s last "Dirty Coal" power stations.

Infact the power station and cement work next to it currently are the most polluting in CO2 in the UK at present. One is going on line soon in Yorkshire that's worse, but this station is very very polluting.

In addition the very estuary it is literally next too, has the second highest tidal rise and fall in the world outside of a bay in Canada, and therefore has some unique mud flats in parts, the incident took place by here and it’s also where they want to build the world’s largest engineering project and damming to date.

Proposals are afoot for a huge "barrage" using energy from the massive rise and fall of billions of tons of water every day to provide 7-12 % of the entire electricity of the UK in a "green" way.

Well its jobs for the lads and the usual, most researchers have shown that you don’t need to "barrage" the estuary, just place large turbines on the estuary bed, costs 1/3 less, is 1/2 less polluting in creating and maintaining, costs half as much to build service, and would produce around 15-20% of the electricity.

Not enough money would go to the building firms, boys in the lodges, etc for that, so the scientific evidence and advice, is being ignored in the parliamentary process in this.

So the more I think about this area, the history there, the ecology, the military, the current and planned changes re nature, the Special Buildings and Bases, The geographical closeness to a Nuclear power Station, Lay Lines, Nearly all the crop circles etc etc, its a prime place for an event with a UFO to take place IMHO.

Oh wait there im not sure I just heard a Pilot in Iraq chased a Goose for 10 mins and shot it down thinking it was Saddam escaping as his double was killed!.... maybe just a lantern eh.

Kind regards,

Elf



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 05:50 AM
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Here is a good Video report from local news on the incident;



Something so obviously happened here that was not of "normal" origin.

Kind regards,

Elf.



posted on Sep, 25 2008 @ 06:28 AM
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Thanks for the video Elf I appreciate your thoughts on this particular subject



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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For those with access, some more info and debate here:

RATS St Atan UFO Helicopter Chase

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 08:13 PM
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Hi Elf,

I live in the Vale and have lived here for about 10 months. Since moving here, (well, a little bit just before as I came here for weekends), I have had around 5-6 sightings. Every one was different. Let me say this, the UFO activity around here is insane. The places where I've seen activity the most have been in the Barry direction (particularly out over the channel high up in the clouds), in the skies above the Vale (high up - sunny days with fluffy clouds is best) and along the Cardiff link road (with a lot of activity between Culverhouse Cross and the Leckwith turn off and usually around dusk or at night at several tens to several hundreds of feet). Two of my sightings were with my partner present, so it's not like I'm just imagining what I'm seeing. There is someone in Ely who regularly lets off lanterns so I'm familiar with those when they go over, but the UFO stuff all acts totally different to the lanterns.

I will say it again, the UFO activity around here is insane and most days there are moments where I ask myself how long it will be before the next sighting happens. Have you seen the Youtube video of the orbs over the power plant in Barry? One of the best ever recorded, IMO and up there with the Silbury Hill orbs video, and still barely acknowledged by the UFO community.



posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 09:13 PM
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I'm from the other side of the estuary where the nuclear power plant is, and there have been a fair number of UFO reports this year. I can't recall ever hearing of so many in this area, which is somewhat strange. I do think some are just confused with sky lanterns, but there are a couple that stand out above the rest.

Perhaps I should take a trip over the Severn Crossing to see all this activity the.lights is talking about.




posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 03:45 AM
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Hello Lights im not in the area anymore myself, but spent lots of time there.

Many Years ago I lived really out in the sticks by cowbridge on an cottage on an farm. One night me and my partner at the time were awoken and had an sighting to say the least.

Lots does happen here and like you say there is not much coverage of it, Thanks for your adding to the areas sightings, do you have an copy of the link the orbs video?

Interesting it is the most as said co2 producing plant in the UK.

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by Goathief
I'm from the other side of the estuary where the nuclear power plant is, and there have been a fair number of UFO reports this year. I can't recall ever hearing of so many in this area, which is somewhat strange. I do think some are just confused with sky lanterns, but there are a couple that stand out above the rest.

Perhaps I should take a trip over the Severn Crossing to see all this activity the.lights is talking about.



Hi Goathief. You are right about reports in the area. The most recent one here is a UFO with a red coloured light that's been spotted over several areas of South Wales. This is one I've personally seen on the Cardiff link road. It looked to be a helicopter when furthest from me as there's a police heli round here with a red light sometimes. But as it got closer the red light sort of cut in half then slowly blinked out, like something was shutting over it. By the time whatever it was reached my car (I was driving), it looked like a small orb shaped object against the dusk sky.

If you do come over, I'd suggest trekking down the link road which has some good views across various stretches of Cardiff and if you're in the Vale its higher ground so probably best to get to a good vantage point somewhere off the A48 with views either toward Barry or in the northerly direction, looking over the M4 corridor toward the valleys. And a clear night is best of course.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 05:49 AM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
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Hello Lights im not in the area anymore myself, but spent lots of time there.

Many Years ago I lived really out in the sticks by cowbridge on an cottage on an farm. One night me and my partner at the time were awoken and had an sighting to say the least.

Lots does happen here and like you say there is not much coverage of it, Thanks for your adding to the areas sightings, do you have an copy of the link the orbs video?

Interesting it is the most as said co2 producing plant in the UK.

Kind Regards,

Elf


I'm really intriued by your sighting. Can you tell me what happened? Here's the video of the Barry orbs. I think it pretty much speaks for itself (though the music is a bit...)





posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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That footage you posted of the amber/orange types is really interesting. They look like they've got a sort of top hat on, that is quite typical of some ufo orbs. Don't know what to make of the footage, it really is interesting.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 05:37 PM
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Lights wow an amazing orb video as dusk daylight to.

Is that dow corning in Barry or the aberthaw power station?

If Aberthaw do you recognise is the camera pointing away from Cardiff towards Llantwit maJor or towards Cardiff Airport.

Either way those lights are within what? 5-10 seconds flying time to Airport if the airport it is just over the brow of the hill behind the lights.

If towards Llantwit Major would have been nearly on top of Raf St Athan........ just where the orb this thread talks about and the copter chase was!

Thank you, great footage never seen before.

On my "experience" some 10 yrs ago plus, lets just say something appeared in a field behind where I lived, no houses cars, or major roads nearby etc had such bright white lights woke me and my partner was silent was 20-30ft of the floor within 100 feet of the window, light up probably about 20 acres of pasture land as if daylight, moved slowly towards us stopped stationary about 50ft above ground 30 feet from cottage I lived in, stationary for 20 minutes then just vanished, no noise or movement.

My girlfriend at the time had missing time just before I awoke, remembering being in the toilet at 1 am then then being back in bed sat up when a light lit everything up, seconds later I woke as the bright light was ridiculously bright, the room was lighter than in daytime.

She did have some strange marks on her the next day I noticed when we went to bed, and yes triangle, pyramid shaped.

I have never seen that type of light before or afterwards it was a type of white light that was not made by any light emitting/creating earthly things.

Of interest one week earlier unknown to me at the time as still on holiday, My mum and Gran where on an cruise ship just off the Mexican coast and they and about 20 others saw orbs at sea "dancing" with different colors which dove into the sea after 10 minutes of dancing just above it.

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by ufoorbhunter
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That footage you posted of the amber/orange types is really interesting. They look like they've got a sort of top hat on, that is quite typical of some ufo orbs. Don't know what to make of the footage, it really is interesting.


It is very interesting... I've spent many hours trawling Youtube and other websites to find footage. Mainly to make sense out of what I've seen and also to know that others have seen similar.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:32 PM
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It is Dow Corning. If you follow the Youtube link there is a very detailed explanation of the footage that gives an outline of the location and of the direction in which the filming took place. Correlated to a map of Barry on Google Maps, it should give a rough idea as to the direction these orbs were seen. Again, this is some of the best orb footage ever filmed and still, the international UFO community chooses to ignore it.

I was very interested by your story about your encounter over 10 years ago. It sounds like a profound experience. Thanks for sharing it. You are right about the intensity of the light given off by these objects truly unearthly and beautiful. I also believe what you said about the 20 orbs seen by your family - I have also seen something very similar.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:38 PM
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I was outside the back entrance to cardiff train station last night at around 8 when I saw a bright light in the sky (I was facing south) flickering and moving in an unusual was. It was in the path of a plane going to land at cardiff airport and the object dissappeard then re-appeared after the plane had passed its position and stayed dancing around the sky for about ten mins.

After about 5 mins of it not being there, I looked up and almost directly above me there was a black sphere silently gliding through the sky.

There is something going on over he skies there. Something weird.



posted on Sep, 1 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by mileslloyd
I was outside the back entrance to cardiff train station last night at around 8 when I saw a bright light in the sky (I was facing south) flickering and moving in an unusual was. It was in the path of a plane going to land at cardiff airport and the object dissappeard then re-appeared after the plane had passed its position and stayed dancing around the sky for about ten mins.

After about 5 mins of it not being there, I looked up and almost directly above me there was a black sphere silently gliding through the sky.

There is something going on over he skies there. Something weird.


This sounds a lot like some of the stuff I've been seeing. How high up was the orb that passed over you Miles? This must have been around dusk right, if it was 8pm? Did the orb pass over the centre of Cardiff, heading north? Or was it travelling in another direction?



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