The Stock Market Is A Fraud - Proof, page 3

reply to post by TruthSleuth

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" HOLY CRAP - The Stock Market Is A Fraud - Proof

As previously discussed here,
we all know the stock market is rigged. "

No, I know it's been rigged for a few years. I actually got in and played for a while...and like a lot of new guys who did ok, got a little greedy, only to have my head handed to me.

Now I can only sit back and watch the "missed" opportunities go by.

reply to post by 911fnord

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I am interested in said archives, however since I am still a newbie, I havent accumulated the required number of posts to U2U you...so...could you send them to me please?

Hey all,

I've only been on the Google Finance forums since about March or so (don't even remember how long it's been). Reinhardt was a pretty weird guy on those forums, posting some stuff that I had no clue what it was about. I don't think he is any kind of hoax, and like Anonymouscat said, he's not asking us to believe him, just telling us where to find the information we look for. That's pretty classy in my opinion.

Anywho, shermanium posted what I posted last week in the GF forums, and I'm still wondering what's going to happen. I'm closely watching the news about what is being done with this bailout bill (which seriously scares the hell out of me) and what the news is with WaMu, since as Reinhardt said, the local companies are affected in a negative way after a Legatus meeting in the area. This could mean many things, but if it is indeed accurate, and shortly after this Legatus meeting something bad comes out about a local company, I think it pretty much confirms at least the hypothesis that this group could have something to do with the happenings.

Now, the following has nothing to do with Reinhardt, but rather things we should all be looking at in the coming days to determine how accurate this prediction, sorry, suggestion of Reinhardt's really is.

1) Bailout bill. Paulson, Bernanke and gang want to get this thing passed quickly and without much debate or changes to it. That's scary. If you haven't read the bill, read it from HERE and read Mr. Denninger's reply to it. It's very detailed and accurate. If it passes, the dollar tanks. If it doesn't pass the first time around, the markets will tank and then it'll be pushed through Congress out of of fear, and then the dollar tanks. Got gold? If not, get some.

2) Any and all news related to WaMu, UBS, and Wachovia. If any of these bohemoths go down, it's going to cause a panic and possibly cause more bank runs. This is bad (obviously). The timing of an event like this is very possible by next weekend, which is the timeframe we're looking at.

3) The dollar, oil, precious metals. You probably saw that the dollar tanked today, and October oil contracts closed at $120.92. As investors and traders fear what is happening, they might start to flock to treasuries or commodities as a safe haven. Treasuries are fine, since you have to purchase those in dollars, but commodities and foreign currencies are making a comeback as a safe haven. If we see gold break $1,000 again, you'll know something big is right around the corner. (That's just pure speculation on my part.) As oil goes up, people get freaked out and the market tanks some more. Also, if treasury yeilds start to go sky-high, look out below.

and...

4) Any and all news related to the US Soverign Credit rating. It's currently AAA, if there's even a hint that it might be downgraded (S&P mentioned something about this last week) then foreigners will stop buying our debt, and we're all hosed.

Ghostlandseller: "Theres no light at the end of the tunnel and no one is really sure when there will be light at the end of the tunnel. Just think of all these bail outs as stick of dynamite to remove rubble in the tunnel, hoping that there will be light on the end. Problem is were running out of dynamite and were still not seeing any light. "

This is a very good analogy. And you're right, they might close the markets. But as someone else said earlier today, you can take away the train stations, but that's not going to stop a runaway train.

Stay glued to your keyboards folks, and don't bite your nails too much. Also, my mother taught me well as a kid, to pray for the best, but prepare for the worst. It doesn't hurt to be at least prepared for what may come in the coming weeks. Oh, and I'd say October 6th... Weekends are when the devils come out and play.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by Troy-Moe-D]

thanks for the insight, Troy!

hell of a post!

According to this [edit: this list is a HOAX- see next post below]:

www.willthomasonline.net...

Meeting in private with the presidents of the 12 Federal Reserve Banks, the Federal Reserve Board of Governors “controls all economic activity throughout the United States,” Mullins explains, “creating money out of nothing” - and manipulating money markets and employment by setting interest rates for the billions of dollars in government bonds floated daily to keep a seriously bankrupt economy afloat. [Secrets of the Federal Reserve]

Since these 12 Federal Reserve Banks are meant to be “unknown to the public”, lets name them:

Rothschild Bank Of London
Warburg Bank Of Hamburg
Rothschild Bank Of Berlin
Lehman Brothers Of New York
Lazard Brothers Of Paris
Kuhn Loeb Bank Of New York
Israel Moses Seif Banks Of Italy
Goldman-Sachs Of New York
Warburg Bank Of Amsterdam
Chase Manhattan Bank Of New York

I guess Lehman's was the Fredo Corleone of the family!!!

Troy, did Reinhardt mention this? why lehmans? (anything besides the obvious holding trash?)

"My Name Is" Henry Paulson has Goldman ties, so he has to protect his boys, right?


[edit on 23-9-2008 by shermanium]

reply to post by shermanium

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This list is an urban legend:

So…between Peter Rhalter, The Fed spokesman Agata Zhang, and G. Edward Griffin’s fine work…I think that we can give the first list of Federal Reserve shareholders the decent burial it deserves. Peter calls this list an “urban legend.” But to be truthful about it…it’s patently false, as most of the financial institutions named on this list don’t even exist…as both Peter and I discovered.

But in the end, it’s the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) and the current Chairman…Sir Alan…that are running the show from behind the curtain on a daily and hourly basis. ...[snip]... . The Federal Reserve System is not a democratic organization…it’s a dictatorship…a political destiny that they (and others) have in mind for all of America. That’s why The Federal Reserve System was created in the first place, and that’s something that Ed Griffin explains in minute detail in his book.

From "WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?" by Ed Steer (10/14/04)

This article also contains the list of the actual shareholders in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and a scathing criticism of the Fed, which should be clear from the above quote.

Just want to debunk the overly-simplified, overly-repeated bunk that's found everywhere else on the internet

reply to post by shermanium

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I don't recall Reinhardt mentioning anything like that, and I can't find it in the post history on Google. However, in regards to Lehman Brothers, you have to wonder, with Richard Fuld on the board of the FRB of NY, how could he not have pulled some strings for a bailout of some kind? It's almost as if they needed Lehman to fail. Afterall, it started this latest downward spiral, and conveniently set up Paulson to put forth this bill which essentially makes him financial dictator of the US.

Also, for further investigation when I or anyone else has time, look at the past presidents of the Federal Reserve Banks. Just by clicking a few of them on good ol' Wikipedia, I found that most of them have connections to Kissinger, the CFR, Rockefeller, etc. It could be a case of "it's not what you know, but who you know..." that got them where they were, but still, kind of interesting to see that side of this as well.

Does anyone know if Richard Fuld is even Catholic?

someone please look at this SEC filing and tell me what it means?

i'm $toopid:

The Catholic Funds, Inc. ??

apologies if its nothing....

[edit on 23-9-2008 by shermanium]

The stock market is something of a money game to keep the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.

It is surprising me that the very people who invest in the markets are now saying that it is the greedy, which is causing the recession on the market and throwing more people into poverty.

The people, to whom I am referring is our very own politicians here in the UK, namely the Labour and Liberal Democrats.

They keep pointing the finger at themselves, but nothing is being done.

I read the historical records of the markets, and it is good evidence for the stock markets being like dare I say it, a legal form of 'money laundering'. It is the way that they have been speaking about it on the news. How they buy and sell shares using means that they now deem unscrupoulous, but were overlooked at the time.

How can I best get at what I mean, 'investors were allowed to buy and sell in such a way that if a man on the street did it, it would be tantamount to money laundering, but in the world of stock markets is considered legal.'

I can't recall the exact term used, but it is more, or less the same thing
credit crunch-who is to blame

The link clarifies what I am trying to say.

It is these speculaters that play 'Russian Roulette' with share-holders money. It is a game that they play without thought of the consequences, and there is a lot of wheeling and dealing behind the scenes.

Great thread. Very informative and entertaining. I usually log on to ATS for the UFO stuff but these Reinhardt predictions are too intriguing (considering the current economic climate globally) not to post on...

I was wondering if any of the hardcore ATS members have gone through the EnterpriseCorruption.com historical entries to confirm accuracy?
I hope I'm wrong on this one but I noticed that there is an entry about My Pet Goat, the children's book Bush was reading aloud when 9/11 struck. Interestingly, Reinhardt's website claims that a fire marshall found, amongst the ashes of the 1933 Reichstag fire, a copy of My Pet Goat as well as a Zippo lighter (serial no 2?). After a bit of digging I found a biography of the author Siegfried E. Engelmann (psych.athabascau.ca...) that lists his birth year as 1931, two years before the Reichstag fire actually occurs.

A New Yorker article (www.newyorker.com...) published a story on the author who claims that he can't even remember writing the children's story.
ATS gurus - is this because herr Engelmann was barely two years old when he wrote the story? Or, because when asked about the book, the New Yorker referred to it as 'My Pet Goat' and not 'The Pet Goat' as was originally published?

Your insights would be greatly appreciated!

Originally posted by Troy-Moe-D
reply to post by shermanium

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I don't recall Reinhardt mentioning anything like that, and I can't find it in the post history on Google. However, in regards to Lehman Brothers, you have to wonder, with Richard Fuld on the board of the FRB of NY, how could he not have pulled some strings for a bailout of some kind? It's almost as if they needed Lehman to fail. Afterall, it started this latest downward spiral, and conveniently set up Paulson to put forth this bill which essentially makes him financial dictator of the US.

I think that the point that Reinhardt is making is these businesses are nothing more than front organizations that are setup to fail. The people at the top are rewarded for a "great job" (nice Masonic term) once the business fails... then shuffled onto the next turd. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.

We're led to believe that there's competition, but that's hardly true:

Microsoft is a front group of IBM (the story about Gates starting in his garage is laughable)... The Ford Winstar was made in a Nissan plant... I understand all laptops (both PC and Mac) are manufactured in a single factory in Japan... private labeled stuff in the grocery stores are made by the name-brand manufacturers... Alex Jones' GCN Radio Network paid the phone Bill of it's "rival" John Stadmiller at RBN -- a charge Stadmiller has laughed about, but never denied. Even the new Google Chrome browser is really Apple's Safari browser with a few tweaks (I know this because when a visitor to my site told me he used Chrome, my stat software showed it was really Apple's Safari).

Back to Lehman... this article sums it all up for you:
www.nzherald.co.nz...

Did you ever notice the trend... in business and in government (which is Latin for "control the mind" by the way), you get rewarded for being incompetent... this is by no means an accident. And whistleblowers are treated like pond scum instead of deemed heroes.

Folks. We've been had. This secret information about how life works bypassed the generations... unfortunately, we couldn't rely on our parents to pass down this stuff because they didn't know.

But now we know. We have time left to warn those who know something is wrong, but don't quite know exactly what it is. As I said in the interview, just say no. Stop playing their game. Don't contribute to the beast. Because every time you place a bet on a stock, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

Here's a direct link to the mp3 audio if you want to pass it around... that's how we fight back:

recordings.talkshoe.com...

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