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America has jumped the shark

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posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 11:20 AM

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
It's not the end,

It's a period through which you will have to somehow survive

and then

it is a new start

I agree. We will survive but how painful do you want it to be? You have very little time left to stock up on some things that would make it less painful. Are you going to keep ignoring the situation or take care of your own.

In the end neither the government or anyone else is going to care. If it gets as bad as they say don't be the Grasshopper. Be the Ant...

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 11:25 AM
SC is right. I can't even read the headlines this week. I had been watching the news and I have come to the point where I cannot even bother anymore. They got what they wanted. They won, there is no point in writing letters the the elected who don't care or listen one iota for the small person. Protests will not help anything, spending trillions of dollars to fix a rigged system isn't going to help anybody but them. This is what they wanted, and now they have it.

Your vote doesn't matter and hasn't in a long time. The people have become ignorant and dumb. They don't question the propaganda that is served up to them on a daily basis on their 52" plasma TV. They've all sold out.

SC, I left America as well. No point fighting for what will never return. I heard the same things as well, that I was called a coward for leaving, and this or that. Almost like the envy for the person that brought an umbrella when the rain came. You're not alone in that regard.

I'm sad for my home country that was once great and majestic, but people like us are powerless to stop it. We did what we had to do to survive, and there is no shame in that.

They've won, it's not so much jumping the shark, it's more like a willingness to drown.

Rest in peace USA 1776-2000.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 12:25 PM
I believe there should be no bailout without liability. Every politician, every congress member and anyone else who had a part in this failure should be liable and dismissed without pay. We give these irresponsible people billions of dollars to play with and they get to play their greedy little games without any liability. It's all our fault theirs.
Let us fix it for you.
How about we fix it for them. If this bailout happens, government just grew another 90% bigger. If they don't bailout then we are screwed either way. Isn't it nice when that happens!

They play with all the money, they make all the decisions, they screw it all up and we have to pay for it. ONLY IN AMERICA!

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 12:43 PM
This goes back to the OP...

Was America ever great to begin with? That is what the myth tells us, the legend of the free world. Yet, after spending my entire life living in this nation, discovering all that is in its past, the greatness is yet to be seen.

From the beginning, America was being manipulated and tainted by those who were sympathetic with the British monarchy and by those with money. The Red Coats were never completely ousted, they just found ways to hide themselves within the system. Moreover, the nation itself was stripped from the hands of true natives through unprecedented violence and xenophobia.

From almost the beginning, America has also participated in slavery. This wasn't necessarily the practice of many true patriotic Americans, but it was still condoned and widely practiced.

America didn't even make it 100 years before it had a massive civil war. The nation had yet to show unity under the principles in which it was founded. And after the war? For a couple decades, there was a lull in the in the violent firestorm that is America, but it did not last (Spanish-American War of 1898 ended that "peacetime"). Meanwhile, there was no greatness morally, financially or otherwise.

At the turn of the 20th century, industry exploded, bringing with it more racism, lack of compassion for one's fellow man, and the cruelty of Capitalism reared its ugly head. At this point, the government and corporate figureheads and bankers drove the country even more downward. Credit companies manipulated the economy into a recession, allowing the Fed to be instated in 1913. Just one year later, we joined in on World War I.

I won't continue in such detail, but post-WWI America saw the Great Depression, World War II, the creation of the industrial military complex, shady practices of giving sanctuary to our enemies (Nazis founding NASA, etc.), bitter opposition within the nation during the 60's (100 years after the Civil War we still can't get along), another recession in the 70's, the outbreak and perhaps origination (perhaps invention?) of numerous STDs, ongoing military involvement from WWII until the present day, corporate media takeover, a national addiction to medication, etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Abraham Lincoln is an example of how EVERY President should be (and even his legend is somewhat inflated). Isn't it sad that there are only a handful of standout Presidents in two and a half centuries? Is it so hard to find a competent leader? A great nation could pull it off.

But America isn't a great nation, it's a corporation. A corrupt, shadowy facade of a free world perpetrated upon those with a dream of liberty in order to get the money out of their pockets and into the hands of the elite.

I am a proud American, and that stems from being among the humblest of its citizens. The government, however, is an embarrassment. The overall picture is shameful. Americans are often fundamentally good people, but the nation twists their good faith into some of the most horrific monstrosities of man.

There is no greatness to return to, it was all a lie. We've been swimming with the sharks since day one, there's nothing new.

[edit on 23-9-2008 by whitl103]

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 01:19 PM
reply to post by sc2099

From what I've seen, America, is only the first domino in a line of many, when we see the fall, we can bet there is repercusions. Call it what you like, most people don't want to consider themself that open, consider themself that vulnerable. To even think, the government they have entrusted their entire being with, their entire life, is using them for their own ends is, for some, inconceivable.

Even this, is controlled by some sort of fear, how much do they really control? Your money? Your life? Your dreams? Your family? Even thinking about these possibilities is scary for some. But really, why? If it is all true, what the hell is there to be scared of? you've lived with it your entire life, be it in ignorance, or a partial state of awakening.

I myself am not scared, but to think, IF all this is true, the future that is coming, could be a struggle for everyone. To lay down your own life is easy, to lay down someone else's is much harder ,IMO.

Can this problem be fixed, if their is a problem at all? Possibly, but it would need solutions that many would consider far too extreme.

Sorry if this has been said.


posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 01:28 PM
reply to post by skyshow

While I agree some action should have been taken, I must remind everyone that, however ironic, it is the Executive Branch that is to enforce the laws...the legislative branch makes the laws, etc. We all should remember this from social studies in fourth grade or whatever.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 01:45 PM
reply to post by Mr Knowledge

I was shocked to read this post! Anybody on this site should know, without a doubt, that "the right person" for the U.S. will NEVER be nominated by any party...that would not be in the best interests of the party, or those that are in real power. I'll probably vote for Ron Paul or myself, both really good guys who genuinely care about others. For me, the choice to write off Obama was easy...he doesn't want me to have a way of protecting myself from a tyrannical government (or anything else for that matter), so he's out. Surely you know he would do away with the second amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court; how easy would it be then to get other laws passed that take away more and more of our freedoms? (hint: not too tough, although we could revolt with sticks and small rocks when the time comes) The other guy, I simply can't support a candidate that does not wish to uphold the laws we currently have in place. That's all I have to say about that.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 01:46 PM
reply to post by sc2099

I really appreciate your thread!

There was a great movie out a few years ago "The Abyss." In it the two main characters (a man and woman) were deeply submerged in water with only one oxygen tank available. They had to make the choice to let her be the one to drown because he had the strength to swim - holding her while swimming to safety, and to hopefully revive her...if he could. That was their only option besides both choosing to die in each others arms.

We have very possibly gone beyond the point of no return with this country. There is an old saying, "You can't make straight, that which is crooked!" It would take a super non-human power to do so.

You would think that if anyone could make this country strong again, it would be the strength of the people of this country, but is it working? Has it worked at all, for a very long time?

Often the hardest thing to let go of; is a system, or pattern, or beliefs, that seemed or appeared to work at one time, but no longer does. When was the last time we ever as a country worked just 27 hours a week and supported our families well? (How We Became the United States of France). When was the last time we had 19 holidays a month? We are real lucky to have 2 weeks in a year and the rest of the time we are in bondage. When did we ever have "free" college for our youth?

My point: perhaps the greatest thing that could happen to us is; to lower the manic entitled lifestyle, the elitism that has become so prevalent in this country. Where we give homage to a celebrity who earns 20 million for a picture and has for some reason; "earned" the right to have a political opinion! We as humans often give loyalty, where loyalty is not due! A lot, is arse backwards with this country.

How much freedom can we say we actually have if we are spending night and day working just to maintain our lifestyle, or life...period? I don't see where we have as much freedom as we have been brainwashed to believe. Medical costs are over the roof and many of us are trying to stay afloat just to survive! Is this freedom??? Is this what this country has worked so hard for, to attain? Is this it?

A lot of times situations get a lot worse before they get better. Perhaps we need to have faith in that, along with; hoping for that super non-human entity to intervene!

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 02:51 PM
reply to post by rightwingnut

Is this supposed to be art? It doesn't qualify for satire at least that I can tell? Doesn't add to the conversation about the issues? What's the point? You're for fairness in the media? If it's: you don't care for either one...well ok, so what? I don't find either one (pics) to terribly tasteful, but perhaps someone else does?

[edit on 23-9-2008 by skyshow]

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 02:59 PM
Although we may have jumped the shark, I would remind everyone that this is not the first time (stock market crash of 1929, and the Great Depression), and we survived it then and made our way back. This time is no different. If you don't think so, then you really underestimate the American people. Review our history as a people and not just that of the government. America is so much deeper than it's Washington Elite!

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:00 PM
reply to post by skyshow

I wouldn't call a childs doodlings 'art'!

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Mr Knowledge
I'm not too enthused with McCain. Barack on the other hand is in it to help everyday Americans, the American Worker. People who work hard for a living. Perhaps you haven't listened to a single one of his speeches or know an ounce about his past and how he came to be in the position he's in now. I'm disappointed at how quickly people write off a guy who clearly has the right approach to what this country really needs.
[edit on 9/22/2008 by Mr Knowledge]

Perhaps you haven't listen to any of McCain's speeches?

McCain and Obama both promised the same thing to the same people. Neither of them will fulfill a fraction of the promises they've made to the average citizen, while fulfilling 95% of the promises they've made to the special interests they represent.

Neither of these candidates have focused on REAL issues that affected EVERYONE in the country ... like the economic state of American AND how to fix it.

Guess who DID address all these problems in his campaign for the Presidency. Guess who was RIGHT in his predictions of America's coming economic failure.

I'll give you a hint ... he was the last candidate to withdraw from running

We've been spoon fed a couple of puppets that will do the bidding of those that run the international economy. If you think this economic crisis isn't by design, you're truly gullible and an American patriot that Congress loves to see get out and vote.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:06 PM
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

But, you forget ... it's the Washington elites (not really in Washington - but, working for the Fed) that caused the first great depression and have been working towards this crisis for decades. The government has now become a fascist socialist regime and can no longer call this a capitalistic society.

We no longer own this country ... it owns us.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:12 PM
*Jump the Shark*?
I've never heard the expression.
I dunno if that's a good thing or a bad thing.


Something I believe is going to be a great big shock to American's.

There is no *America* out there to save you.

American has been the *guard dog* for the world for so long.

Now, that same guard dog has had it's teeth ripped out and it's studded collar torn off.

Who's going to save it? Who's going to save America?

No one is.


posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:17 PM
reply to post by tyranny22

Yes, The Powers That Be! Let's then go back to the Revolution of 1776! To quote the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Full Document

The thing we have to ask ourselves, as a People, is when is the time to once again abolish tyranny.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:20 PM
reply to post by silo13

'Jump the Shark' is a Hollywood term to indicate when a TV series has taken a path to ensure it's cancellation. It comes from a 'Happy Days' episode when the Fonz jumped a shark on waterskies. It was the episode that marked the downfall of the series.

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 03:38 PM

Originally posted by Mondax
I am in no way an expert on this matter, i just come here to read and learn. So take this as you'd like.

There is always talk on taking action against the higher power but there is never any real physical action. How do we expect to fight, if no one lifts arm. There must be a start of something new in order to bring the end to something old. We can talk, talk and talk but that wont make our problems go away. The higher power(if there is one) has such a tight fix on the way we live that it is almost impossible to get our ideas out and be heard. People ridicule those who believe in something that isn't taught in schools or is regularly discussed.

These forums for instances, there are lot of topics that float around that would be thrown to the ground and burned if brought to the media. I can assure you that if someone was interviewed about NWO's and there effect on the US on CNN, NBC, or any other major news network, the interviewer would have a smile throughout the whole interview and totally disregard what was said to him/her. Those watching would also have the same reaction. why? because we've grown up looking at a man who believes in aliens, underwater facilities, bigfoot and etc. as someone who is crazy. It is extremely hard to make a case in a setting that makes you look like a fool.

I like the idea of flushing out people from congress and i also like various other ideas of spreading the word, but with a society like in which we live in the idea wouldn't go far. it would Probably be tossed aside by the majority of the population. they would Probably see it as a joke.

Again i like the fighting for our freedom but i see it as very difficult task to undertake.

i say this not as a believer or a non believer but as someone who just likes to listen to both sides equally.

(i've never typed so much in a post, if my post doesn't make sense keep the scolding at a minimum.

Answering to the above post of yours too with this.
Likewise doesn't really matter if we are in euro, our debt is in dollars and there are major American investments here. Once the situation goes belly up we will ceize to exist period. I will in a progressive situation, say good bye to my flag, my armed forces, my sovereignity and everything I used to have around and remembered as a child. Yes, is that serious and I was not informed by the MSM about it. You will just get poor, but my whole world will collapse as I knew it. Chances are that to whomever we own, (and those are most of the US firms that already collapsed and also from the global bank) if he goes to dire straights he will be banging the door to get his money back, and he won't be going after money that doesn't exist in the first place, but for land, or forcing us to sign deals for having less of a state that we used to probably. Natural resources (still untapped) will go bye bye with the first chance. He is going to impound my future in a matter of speak. Yet people are so uninformed and so much entrenched in their own version of reality that the new trend is buying porsche's and 4x4 SUVs while still heavy in national dept that has increased 10 fold just only in the period of the last 6 years.

Now I hear that from the place that all started, the only hope is people who are often ridiculed in the Mass Media, and I think to myself, should I panic now or save this for a later time?
Are we that screwed?

[edit on 23-9-2008 by spacebot]

posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:15 PM
Rumors of Americas demise are greatly over exagerated.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going, and the people who created the U.S., and came to be a part of it have shown their metal over and over again.

If the markets crash, it will be the collapse of the world cleptocracy, the demise of the IC's, who have been screwing everybody and anybody as long as they have been in existance.

The world's economy is in its current predicament for two major reasons.

First, movement of jobs to third world nations for slave labor wage costs has slowly eroded the demand side of the supply/demand formula. To make up for this loss of demand, huge amounts of money have been loaned to the U.S., the U.S. being the only nation deemed credit worthy of such debt. Eventually, even the U.S. has ran out of credit, and now the IC's have ran out of options to keep this con game going.

Second, the world is running out of cheap, easy to tap, high quality crude, which means that oil will continue to increase in cost, and that means that the world will have to re-tool. This is the real reason behind the world wide financial crisis.

My prediction, which I have presented for a couple of years now, is that newly developed alternative energy sources, such as wind and solar power, and bio-fuels like gasahol made from sugar and diesel made from soybeans, will create a great deal of economic independence for small producers. Combined with the advancement of automation and the internet, small independent producers will be able to start grabing market share from giant, top heavy IC's, and from this crisis will rise a new world economy, far more independent, efficient, and egalitarian.

This newer world order will be more inline with democracy, and a more advanced world.

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