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America has jumped the shark

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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:29 PM
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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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Yep. You're *SNIP*.

Don't worry though, the elites have this planned for everyone. None of us abroad are laughing. This is the information age, everyone knows.

This may turn out to be their last land grab.

In the hard times that seem to be coming, learn to help each other, or things will be worse than they have to be. Sometimes, when things are at their worst, people find it in their hearts to be at their best. And after zapping through E!, MTV, Fox and CNN, I dare say that sometimes when things seem to be at their best, people seem to be at their worse.

Everything will sort itself out if people keep love in their hearts.

Mod Edit: Profanity/Circumvention Of Censors – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 9/22/2008 by maria_stardust]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:40 PM
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All that typing was worth a star to me!

You are correct, of course. However, I feel that forums such as these serve a useful purpose nevertheless. Perhaps the ratio is 1000:1 that any of us may see the contents of the thoughtful musings of clever minds and act upon them in such a manner as to make them relevant, politically, ideologically, or even personally.

Perhaps it is true that not a soul among us embraces the intention of 'taking to the streets' with this message and scouring what remains of the American community for the political will to exercise a revolution.

You may in fact be correct that we lack the cohesive singular purpose necessary to embark down a road less traveled.

I, however, do remain faithful in the American dream, the vision that emboldened a few men to create a living document which effectively removed them from power, and rendered the totalitarian tendencies of leaders vulnerable to dissent. You see, I believe that was thetrick. They destroyed their chances to rule this land, (as others seen intent to do.)

This document is our shield and our weapon. We MUST forever hold that the contents of that document is exactly what it contents to be. No politics, no ideology, no modality of social thought can escape its power to nullify any attempt by any government to seize control and render its own people helpless. The logic of the founding fathers was inescapable, a great deal of thought when into its structure and form.

I think that many people, my self among them, don't know a great deal about every subject. I come here because, among the political noise, and occasional awkward commercialism, I find adults asking adult questions about the actual nature of things. I can;t say that I agree with everyone, but then, what would the point be in going somewhere where everything that is said is perfectly acceptable, and as it should be? I think that need is mostly filled by those needing it, in church.

This is NO church. Here the truth can reach out, grab you by the throat, and slap you out of your slumber. Among those who visit us might be one, we pray could be one, who will begin to envision the means to mobilize the good ideas we express. Is that person you? I am not ashamed to say it isn't me. Nor should anyone. Some day, perhaps if we all should somehow meet, things may change. Or maybe the 'right' idea will finally coalesce in someone's mind, as how to apply this American vision into reality once again.

It must happen. And I am certain it will. Humanity is programmed to be free. We cannot long endure the illusion of freedom. No plan to isolate and enslave can succeed. Greed is sloppy, impatient, and arrogant; the proof is all around us.

Sorry..., I get carried away sometimes.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by Maxmars]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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I like reading posts when people get on their soapboxes. I agree with you all the way.

So they say that knowledge is power. Then how powerful are we in this community?

I have tried to plant the seeds of awakening with the few that will listen. Perhaps that is all that I can do until a revolution happens.


"A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has."
-Margaret Mead



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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Maybe you're just trying to get a reaction from the same people who said, "turn iraq into a wal-mart parking lot". I won't give you that pleasure.

But I will remind you that the American Media is *snipped*. And those who blindly believe everything they've heard on the news, blindly, don't deserve to formulate an opinion.

America is not *snipped*. America is still the strongest country in the world. Because a couple investment firms go under doesn't mean the country is collapsing. Look at all of the big corporations that we've created that help to run the entire world. As a matter of fact, we could (maybe) make a profit off of bailing out these corporations. The bubble had to burst at some point...

Yeah, America's economy needs a little jumpstart. And, you fail to realize just how dependent the rest of the world is on us. When things go bad here, its bad for everyone. Perhaps if we're as evil as everyone says we should start using our military toys to fix the problem by taking over the world's oil fields and looting your economies. At least then we wouldn't have to worry about all the flag burnings and random dictators who think they own the world because they've got disfunctional a-bombs. Yeah, we could... But we'd rather dole out billions in aid to third world countries despite our economy.

We're nice guys, despite what everyone says.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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I would like to see America's creditors bring suit through the UN to umm. . . force the Corporation which is the U.S.A into receivership. And install their own interum management team to oversee the umm . . . bailout.

Picture the Chinese coming in to audit the books on America and the corporations doing business therein. I am not talking political control, I am referring to cashflow management. Of course nothing political is possible without cash. But we would be a better neighbor for being under siege by auditors and accountants.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by Cyberbian]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 07:20 PM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the NAU yet. The American economy seemed like it was designed to collapse. Creating money out of thin air doesn't seem like a good long term plan. Over the past month or two, hasn't the Federal Reserve given the U.S. gov't around a trillion dollars or so to bail out all the plunging mortgage companies?

The federal reserve "makes" the staggering amounts and hands it over. I'm not too sure about economics but won't that make the U.S. dollar inflate massively?

An economic collapse of the U.S. and most likely Canada and Mexico is the perfect pretext for the North American Union.



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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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It kinda makes wonder why Harper called an election the way he did, I felt there was more to it than the excuse of an ineffective Parliment, it seems the timing was on the money, and it sounds like he is looking at a majority goverment, this could deffinetly spell trouble if they are considering a NAU.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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I wouldn't throw out those old Mad Max Moovies just yet, they might
come in handy for as a survival guide in the future.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:27 PM
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Life is what you make of it...I always find it intriguing to read up on politics whether it be here or on the biased news outlets.

Maybe an area of hardship will teach Americans a lesson on life.

The reason history repeats itself is because everyone believes that "it can not happen to them"...

Whether this is all in our minds or not, I could care less. I am personally happy I am alive at this day and age and would like to be that old guy down the road looking at the new fancy contraptions wondering how the hell to work them



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:29 PM
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1) Yes, America is in trouble. I don't know if we're going to get out of it, personally, and I can't believe how badly the government is understating these problems. Do you think that they're going to come out with how bad everything is?
2) Censoring is hysterical. "Hey America, you're *SNIP*! That's right, you're *SNIP* with a capital *SNIP*."



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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How can you just completely write off Barack Obama? How do you know that he can't help this country? Maybe you don't understand the fact that there will never be a perfect candidate for presidency. Why? No one is born ready to fulfill duties as a president. It doesn't happen like that. I'm sorry. I know you truly believe Ron Paul was the right man for the job, but if he was, how come he isn't nominated? Let's give those who have a chance a chance. But while we're at it, lets observe what these candidates can bring to the table. Me personally, I'm not too enthused with McCain. Barack on the other hand is in it to help everyday Americans, the American Worker. People who work hard for a living. Perhaps you haven't listened to a single one of his speeches or know an ounce about his past and how he came to be in the position he's in now. I'm disappointed at how quickly people write off a guy who clearly has the right approach to what this country really needs. Success or failure, I'll take my chances with Mr. Obama because I don't know what other approach will work. He clearly wants to change Washington and America for the better and its not like he doesn't have a plan or blueprint in place for it. If you understood even a tiny grain of what he brings to the table you would clearly see that he's the best chance we've got. If he can't do it, no one can. Maybe America is just that badly mismanaged to the point where she is irrepairable. But lets not give up now. While we're still alive and while we still have the breath to breathe, the ability to think, and the desire to see positive change, let's not allow negativity to diffuse or confuse us or allow us to believe we're doomed or that it's over. As long as we're still alive and we still exist as a country, there's everlasting hope, no matter how bad things seem. I don't know about you but I'm confident about a new president. I mean, I don't believe either can do as horrible as G.W. Bush. Either way, we need change and a new president will provide that for us.

[edit on 9/22/2008 by Mr Knowledge]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 09:28 PM
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Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply.

Before I get to my responses I just want to remind everyone that I realize that if it really is too late for America this time, she's taking lots of other financial entities in other countries down with her. My whole point with this thread is that I believe America might really be beyond repair and that is catastophic for everyone. I said this on the first page but I just wanted to reiterate.

rhombus24, No, I don't hate America. I'm not quite sure how you could get that from my post. Instead of lamenting the loss of the place where I grew up and having to worry about my family's and friends' futures who remain there, I would be engaging in some serious grave dancing. On the contrary, I love America, which is why I said I want to see her restored to her former glory. I'm sorry for my own loss as much as everyone else's of my beloved country. Did you read the OP at all or were you too busy toeing the party line to look up?

Mondax, I agree with you 100%. When people such as Ron Paul bring up the facts like the NAU/SPP and the Fed screwing the American people, they get laughed at and treated like nutters. It is infuriating.

Maxmars, once again you are correct. The Constitution is our saving grace. Even if you're not religious or spiritual, how could any American read it and not feel blessed? I have faith in it as I have faith that voting will matter this November.

ben420, I believe that you're correct that a collapse of all 3 countries in North America would be the perfect excuse to integrate them. However, I don't think Canada is anywhere near collapse at this point in time. It has had a budget surplus for years and sits on vast amounts of natural resources. Besides that, Canada only got its fingernail caught in the US mortgage crisis cookie jar, unlike others who weren't so lucky.

ravenshadow, I just don't know if America will ever be the same. That's what's so upsetting. How can a country spend itself into so much debt that its grandchildren might not pay it off and still come out ok?

Mr Knowledge,
I have written off Barack Obama because he does not want to address the problem at hand...which is the same reason I have written off John McCain. John McCain wants to cut taxes but stay in Iraq. Barack Obama wants to cut some taxes while raising others, but spend much more than would be brought in with tax revenue. Once this bailout is in place there's no way in hell that any kind of socialized healthcare or any other social program will be affordable, as if it was in the first place. Neither of these candidates is addressing the problem that might starve us to death before we have the chance to not be able to afford to treat our diabetes.

Ron Paul wasn't nominated because he doesn't toe the party line and kowtow to extreme groups just to get votes...like the nominees we have now. He wanted to talk about facts when others spouted catchphrases. He wants to dismantle the Fed while others want to give people their heart's every desire without thinking for a second how to pay for it. He wasn't nominated because he doesn't play ball.

Which brings me to my next depressing point. Clearly most voting Americans do not want to live in a country with a sound financial system or Ron Paul would be the Republican nominee. No, most voting Americans want to be lied to, smiled at, and told what they want to hear.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 09:54 PM
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America has jumped the shark so many times that it's hard to count them. The hallmark of democracy and free markets is dynamism, the one thing that Communism lacks and will always lack. That's why America has flourished even in the face of the direst of circumstances while other nations and forms of governments have failed.

When the current batch of perpetual cynics are dead and buried, America will be here and moving forward into whatever the future may bring.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 10:24 PM
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sc2099

I agree with the Prof! VOTE. I'll step it up and say take your sympathy and save it.
As everyone in the world is in the same boat. So you left in time to what,
save your own hide? Good for you! But sympathy? OH PLEASE...
This has been in the cards for a long time. Where have you been?
Oh yea, paradise.

VOTE. We the people, out number the powers that be by MILLIONS.

And enough of the "Sheeple" type comments, you want to blame yourself,
go for it. Leave me out. Sure, the liars, cheats have screwed the country...
BUT "What's new about that?". Every nation on earth has a revolution at least once.
Revolution and Evolution, it's inevitable.
It will be up to each individual to decide
what their attitude will be as the world unfolds.

Writing a letter to doomed america is so lame.
Try to be pro-active, make suggestions
Be Positive. Come back and help.
Other wise, ya know, maybe your just another master of the obvious.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:31 PM
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