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How We Became the the United States of France

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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 02:36 PM
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You have to wonder, Bush more or less allowed "Kenny Boy" Ken Lay to take a massive fall over Enron. (though Lay died under... interesting... circumstances before he served time, he was still allowed to publically twist while being placed on trial.) Lay was a strong financial backer of & friend to the Bush family and was connected with most of the administration's top dogs. If they were so willing to allow Lay to be the fall guy over Enron, what relationship to, information about, or power over the higher ups in Washington do these failing banks have that is keeping the feds from even mentioning investigations, let alone possible criminal trials?




posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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I would say there is a big difference between this and ERON - ERON was executed by a "small" circle. The need to know was key to that "operation".

HOWEVER this is massive- massive... It is like the switch pullers in GERMANY who said I was only a "guard" or "button pusher", I was obeying my duty. In this EVERYONE is complicit in the "operation"... FROM COPIES to DOCS to TITLE CO... THE government set the standards and PROFIT was the goal. THIS was due to deregulation and "free market conquest" of the highest order.

I mean for christ sake people kill for money, so what was there to stop any of this?



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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weed;

I was honorably discharged,not medical even though it all started in the military. Because of this I have to use the V.A. There is one in Nashville but they almost killed me so I go to Memphis. I know, real stupid.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 07:08 PM
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Oh come on, you haven't become the United States Of France! If you had there would be certain tell tale signs that we would all pick up on.
1. Females would stop shaving.
2. You would all develop a penchant for garlic.
3. You would get rid of the stars and stripes and replace it with a white flag with a white cross on it!
4. Snails would go from being a pest in the garden to delicacy on your dinner plate.
5. You would all ride around wearing striped shirts with onions hanging around your necks.
6. Every single one of you would have a man servant called Kato.
7. Bad breath would be a fashion accessory.
8. MacDonalds would serve a quarter pounder MacFrogsleg!
9. You would have a Dunkin Croissants on every corner.

And the number ten most reason you're not turning into the United States Of France.. .
10. When you go to war in Iran, not only could you teach them a lesson, you could teach them how to surrender as well!

"I love Dave Letterman!"



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 07:28 PM
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That was the BEST REPLY I've seen in a LONG TIME on ATS, Mintwithahole!!!

I must say I agree whole-heartedly.

France

Es u si que es. (Spanish equivilent of an AMERICAN ANOGRAM for S. U. C.K.S.)



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:24 PM
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EDIT: Sod it! My rant was misplaced.

P.s. The USA is closer to being a National Socialist country than a Socialist country.





[edit on 22-9-2008 by triplesod]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by triplesod

I know Americans could never believe that they could learn anything from anyone but believe me, if you dropped this sickening stereotype and crude xenophobia, you could learn a great deal from France (and all the other countries you believe you are "better" than. All 195 of them).

[edit on 22-9-2008 by triplesod]


Please list what we as Americans could learn from France, frenchman.

I can't wait.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by cryingindian

Originally posted by triplesod

I know Americans could never believe that they could learn anything from anyone but believe me, if you dropped this sickening stereotype and crude xenophobia, you could learn a great deal from France (and all the other countries you believe you are "better" than. All 195 of them).

[edit on 22-9-2008 by triplesod]


Please list what we as Americans could learn from France, frenchman.

I can't wait.


I have deleted my post (before you posted) because I don't think this thread is the right place for it.

Though the fact that you really, REALLY believe you could not learn anything from a country with so much history and culture is pathetic and really does prove a stereotype of Americans to a lot of people outside the USA.

EDIT: It is also quite sad but almost typical that you presume that I must be French just because I am speaking in support of France while speaking poorly of American attitude.
Y'see, out there in the rest of the World, that's kind of what people do when they see such blatent arrogance.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by triplesod]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:57 PM
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So it's OK now, because you've removed your post?

I call you a "frenchman" not because I believe you're French, due to the description in your "AVATAR," but because you, for some reason, need to defend France. You, being alligned so closely with the French, deserve the label "Frenchman." No? I say "Wi!" The French ruined our best man, Ben Franklin, if I'm to believe the recent HBO series "John Adams."

I wish we knew what you know, because you've obviously been enlightened through some manchunian ritual.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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There will be no more name calling. Post to the topic and not to the member.

Thank you.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:18 PM
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Just one more reason to let us "TX" out of your crappy union. Let us run our own country...You can have this crappy one.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:50 PM
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Don't you have to rephrase the title of your post? I think you used an illegal word. It should read:

How We Became the the United States of F*****reedom. That last word you used profoundly offended me...



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 12:04 AM
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They don't know who to blame so they blame us now! They're beyond the "unbelievable" these yankees.They break all the boundaries & each time for the worse.I could relate it to my entourage that they wouldn't believe it for sure.

You know what i do with this pseudo enlightening article: I'm gonna print this "rag" on a 20x4 toilet paper & use it this week, please believe it.

I say you don't even have the balls to change your situation.Anyway that would be a desperate move this time around.A zillion dollars down.... you got smtg like 3 centuries before seeing the light of the day, good luck and stay down.







[edit on 23-9-2008 by themaster1]



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 12:13 AM
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Might I remind you that during the 20's, in order to save the USA, and not have most of it's people starving, a social-democratic plan was also used, The New Deal.

Having the precedent, what is the problem about this new intervention? How dos it put the USA at risk.
Would you rather have a growth in inflation, probably the consequence of printing money that the Government doesn't have; or would you rather have an unemployment rate in the 20 to 30% rate, due to lack of financing and credit for small and medium companies, not to mention the cash-strapped big companies, such as Ford and GM, that are already closing plants?

I would profit much more if the Fed stood still, and let the sword fall where it may. Socially, I don't think I want to be surrounded by starving, homeless people, with nothing to lose...



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 05:22 AM
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...Missing the point completely but what is so bad about France...
USA could probably learn a thing or two about France, maybe with the exception of armpit hair on women, B.O. and dodgy food...apart from that it's all good!

Isn't it??



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 07:49 AM
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Want clichés ?

Here's my shot :

We nationalized healthcare, energy, and education.
- I'll never pay for medical care in my entire life
- I have electricity 24/7
- I can point Irak on a map


You nationalize banks and financial criminals.
- you have no healthcare and are obese
- your electricity network compares well with Pakistan's
- you are unlearned and proud of it

Yet you are convinced to be the quintessence of evolution (this jut in : Americans believe the world was created 6000 years ago by an invisible being) ...

If it was not so pathetic it would be hilarious. Oh, scr*w it, it IS hilarious.

Everyone who is not starving in this world, i.e. about 120 countries, pity you (not to be confused with "envy").
But then again, those who are presently starving might soon pity you as well.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Remote viewer
We nationalized healthcare, energy, and education.

What are you guys talking about? Is this a contest of I'm more ignorant and prejudiced than you are? It's so easy to bash entire countries for fictitious reasons.
French socialism is not the same as Cuban socialism. And since the early 1980s a few things have changed.
a) In France everyone needs a private health package, because public healthcare covers only the basics, and is not free.
b) Energy: the EDF/GDF monopoly has ended. Its capital is open to private investers. Same for telephone/internet: with France Telecom. The last companies still not privately owned have been privatized (Postal bank for example), will open their capital sooner (SNCF for example) or later under pressure from the EU.
c) The public and private schooling systems are equally successful in France.

George Bush may have become a socialist, but France isn't more socialist than Britain or Canada.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 10:02 AM
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How in the hell did you gather from this article that we are in any way "blaming" France for any of this? It may be an unfavorable comparison in your opinion, but that's only because the idea of the United States becoming socialist is offensive to many Americans. I'm not going to pour chocolate sauce on horsecrap and try to pass it off as ice cream... that's basically what any attempt to sell socialism to America is, in my opinion.

It wasn't a hit on the French, dude.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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Tex....that is interesting, another secessionist??

Seems you and Alaska have something in common. .

Oh, and BTW....Alaska is much, much bigger than Texas.

So, for some reason, Gov. Palin's husband (the first Dude) seems to subscribe to Alaska's secession from the US. And, where, EXACTLY would this newly 'independant' entity then align??? Canada? Or Russia? (Since you can see Russia from accross the border...but, hmmmmm....you can also see Canada from across the other border.

Am I the only one seeing this as a bunch of nonsense??

Maybe it's the Flag-Weaving Lobby, to make everybody buy a new 49-star (or, 48-star) flag....if Texas and Alaska have their way!!!

Or, maybe most Americans simply don't want to admit that they are envious of the French....it's the American hubris, in the way.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 10:19 AM
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Please, please, PLEASE don't attempt to paint the New Deal or FDR as anything other than what made exactly what we're seeing right now possible. Anyone who believes that GWB has been the worst president from a Constitutional rights standpoint, needs only to research FDR. The man ordered confiscation of all privately held gold, for God's sake! (and, legally speaking, though it is never mentioned, the Secretary of the Treasury still holds the power to do that again at any time.)

There are many paralels to those days and today, actually. FDR's emergency banking act was fast tracked through Congress with almost a direct ORDER that it had to be approved or else dire consequences would be faced (by both the represebntatives & the public as a whole). The American people didn't get to see the bill until after it was passed.

The deregulation of FDR's banking acts in the 80's & 90's were now clearly an attempt to clean the slate so that catastrophe (not due to deregulation, either) could be arrainged and then the federal government could swoop in like Super Man and save the day with even stricter policies & even more far reaching control than FDR claimed.

Seriously, using the New Deal as justification of precident in order to defend this socialization of our financial system that's happening today is almost like walking up to a guy, punching him in the balls, and then a couple of weeks later walking up to him and castrating him. The argument could be made that you set a precident of assaulting his testicles when you punched him, so the actual castration shouldn't be that big of a deal. (and yes, this analogy is accurate and appropriate because we just saw the castration of capitalism & our financial system)




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