What changed your mind about 9/11, page 1
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reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 04:56 PM by Amaterasu
Perhaps my response here is inappropriate, for I suspected it was an inside job when it initially happened. As the day went on and Bin Laden was not only mentioned as a suspect, but was accused, tried and convicted in the media, I was more certain.

But I figured that the reason they would have done this in the first place would be to promp us into giving up rights. I had expected Bush to be out in the media whipping up a "git 'er done!" sentiment to pass laws that cut our liberties, and after a month went by and nothing like that really happened, I was beginning to relax and think maybe I had been wrong.

And then...

Down onto the desks of Congress plopped a 900+ page "Patriot" Act, with a "rush, rush, don't read, just sign!" attitude, which eliminated exactly the things I expected, gave powers to the "Prez" that I expected, and had to have taken at least 2 years to prepare. In less than two MONTHS after 9/11.

I looked at the freefall speed at which all three buildings fell and knew they had had explosives/incendiaries, because gravity alone would have had resistance in an intact building and there was no resistance to be seen.

I heard a story of some people at a gas station or convenience store that had reviewed the footage at the Pentagon in the camera there - just before the FBI showed up and took the footage away - with threats! - and a missile was said to be seen. Can't find that story on the web now...

I discovered that the FBI rounded up all civilian footage of the Pentagon within a few hours after the Pentagon incident - that they knew where to look for all that footage was intriguing to begin with...someone must have cased the city beforehand (why do you suppose?) - and then would not release ANY of it. Since it could not show anything we did not see of the Pentagon in pictures taken of the inside (and likely far less!) there is no logical reason not to release the footage - IF the OCT (Official Conspiracy Theory) is true. If it is NOT true, THEN the refusal to release the footage makes sense.

The way the Jersey Girls (wives of four of the dead from the Towers) were treated - as if THEY were criminals - made me ill, and all the more made me think it was an inside job.

The small amount of debris that was handed over to forensics for examination sure looked odd... Forensics had virtually nothing to work with, and it was disturbed evidence at that! Uyup. I was sure.

The refusal to have an official investigation for 14 months was downright weird! The most heinous crime in centuries and we didn't want an investigation??? If I was in charge, and the OCT was true and unexpected, I would be clamoring for an investigation. The deflection of any investigation is what I would do if I was guilty.

The stacking of the deck of the 9/11 Commission was odd...along with the many pieces of evidence and testimony that were not even considered...

And the coup de gras... The "Prez" and the VP refusing to testify unless...they did not have to testify under oath (what innocent one would demand THAT!?!) and they had to be together (why else but to be sure their stories matched?) and it had to be... Off the record!!!

Ah, geez. There is much more, but I am tired of typing.


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 07:00 PM by pccat
Originally posted by justamomma


I guess what made me finally start investigating it for myself is that I saw many "truthers" who were 100% wrong and yet they would say things like "I don't care" or they would deny the evidence in front of them. That would be when I realized that I could not take someone's word from either side of the spectrum.


yep.. same here..
I initially believed every CT out there.. basically because I wanted to.. I had given up on our "blessed" leaders and just knew that they were somehow responsible.. their complicity is still in question as far as I'm concerned.. but the evidence that CT'rs kept twisting, and editing.. the quotes taken far out of context.. the videos that are used to "prove" the CT's, are usually clipped to not show anything besides what "they" want to present.. I found that those who would patiently try to explain the events from an "official story" point of view always.. and I mean always, presented the better, more logical argument..
so when I saw the engine parts identified as coming from a Rolls Royce RB211-535, which is what it would have had to be, to be from AA77, when all the so called experts, stated that there was either no plane wreckage.. or that it was the wrong engine.. I decided that I would start looking at the evidence myself and not depend on what someone else said.. so now when I read something, I check it out.. I get corroberation from more than one source and I look at the arguments made too.. "truthers" as a group, are just not very thorough when it comes to checking the facts.. and are unbelievably stubborn when it comes to accepting the evidence..
I gradually became embarrassed to be a truther..
I became objective..


reply posted on 22-9-2008 @ 10:57 PM by Anonymous ATS
Lack of plane in the crater in Pennsylvania. Yet there was debris scattered for "3 to 4 miles"
www.youtube.com...

Side note: this is one aspect of the conspiracy that actually looks like a cover up more than an inside job. Rumsfeld slipped up and said that flight 913 was “shot down.” Maybe it wasn’t a mistake.


reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 12:19 AM by sir_chancealot
Originally posted by thedman
...Hole in Pentagon - wings left hole over 75 ft wide in ground floor



Amazing what one can find if one simply looks


Isn't it amazing that a 767, doing over 450 mph at impact, left those MOSTLY EMPTY wooden wire-spools right where they were?

I will say this: When I first saw it on video (having heard about it about 30 minutes beforehand), I said "Man, they fell straight down like they were demolished. We got REALLY, REALLY lucky!" Yeah, if I had only known!

It came to me slowly, and bit by bit. But then again, I approach ANY conspiracy theory with an open mind. Meaning I am of the attitude "Ok, I'll listen, but you have to show me the proof."

What first made my hair REALLY stand up was that Air Force General saying that the F-16s flew at 500+ miles per hour, and referred to it as "flying like scalded dogs". I went "WTF?! An F-16 Can do over 2,000 miles per hour! Commercial AIRLINERS do over 450+ miles per hour!" (I've seen this with my own eyes using MS Streets & Trips with a GPS stuck to the window!)

It wasn't a quick thing, but more and more evidence until finally there was the straw that broke the camel's back.


reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 12:48 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by Amaterasu



But where in all of that stuff that made you so suspicious was the initial turning point? When you saw the very first news footage live in NY that morning or somewhere along that line of things that make you feel this way. I understand how they all make you question, I just wonder at what point exactly did you feel something was suspicious or did you feel that the second you saw the news cut to NY in the morning. I am just guessing here but from that long list of things, it seems like SOMETHING specific was bothering you all over the place but if you woke up that day believing it was all a conspiracy then I am not sure that is any more interesting than anyone else who did not change their mind from one reaction to another at some point. Just curious.


reply posted on 23-9-2008 @ 12:51 AM by beachnut
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Lack of plane in the crater in Pennsylvania. Yet there was debris scattered for "3 to 4 miles"
www.youtube.com...

Side note: this is one aspect of the conspiracy that actually looks like a cover up more than an inside job. Rumsfeld slipped up and said that flight 913 was “shot down.” Maybe it wasn’t a mistake.

All of 93 is in the crater and the immediate area. No cover up, the FDR shows, proves, 93 was not shot down. You can down load the FDR information and see for yourself.

Please post your evidence. The debris as not spread out over miles. Only things that could be carried on the wind, 298 at 26 knots at 1000 feet that day, were miles away. There must be evidence to change your mind, not hearsay.

All debris was south of the impact crater when 93 impacted, this also proves 93 was not shot down.

This is from the FDR, in less than a second 93 will be in the ground some parts and people buried 50 feet deep. Other parts ejected for hundreds of feet.
All debris south of impact, no shoot down!

Plane parts in crater.

Nothing changed my mind; 19 terrorist took 4 planes and failed when the Passengers on Flight 93 figured out 9/11 in minutes, and took action.

When will the truth movement catch up to the Passengers of Flight 93, who figured out 9/11 in minutes. What actions has the truth movement taken to figure out 9/11, with the clarity to take action, like the passengers on flight 93 did?

Nothing changed my mind; 19 terrorist took 4 planes and failed when the Passengers on Flight 93 figured out 9/11 in minutes, and took action.

When will the truth movement catch up to the Passengers of Flight 93, who figured out 9/11 in minutes. What actions has the truth movement taken to figure out 9/11, with the clarity to take action, like the passengers on flight 93 did?

I can't seem to fall for the false information of the truth movement. The turning point, the truth movement never presented evidence to support the fantasy, false information and implications of lies. That is the turning point. Simple research prevents falling for false information. That must be the turning point, or road block; the lack of evidence.


There must be evidence to change my mind, not hearsay; 7 years, evidence stands against the terrorist.

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