All the rich will be selling tommorow. The poor who can't afford stocks will buy using a line of credit since the prices will be so cheap since the rich have sold. The fact that people who can't fully afford buying stocks with there own money will cause even more problems for the economy.

A few days or a couple of weeks of this will no doubt cause a full fall of all stocks and the economy.

The rich are selling everything and investing in Gold. Watch out for gold to hit record numbers this week.

Originally posted by Dermo

Originally posted by Interestinggg
World markets opened 38 mins ago are you all from another dimension or something?.

World markets? Its still sunday on this side of the world.

Its Monday in Asia and they are getting some Bernanke money too
In about 7 hours London will be open and they've got some Paulson money.
Its all a big party on the Benanke/Paulson money.

this thread made me think of another that a friend of mine made, and i am very concerned to be completely honest. What stocks should i begin to buy every week? I believe that america is heading towards something to rival the depression, i believe this partly because i just wrote the above sentence. does anyone else remember a few years ago when a stock market scare was reported on every channel and the stocks basicly acted exactly like the predictions because everyone was scared NOT to SELL SELL SELL? i don't follow the numbers specificly but i remember this being a major event and good object lesson? anyone know the specifics of that event? anyway, should i buy up livestock and crop related stocks? what other investments will prosper the most in a failing economy? i really would like guidance on this.

Oopps!

DJ futures down -198.00 now... tanking further.

Here is my uneducated .02. I imagine that confidence overseas (outside America, that is) will be emboldened somewhat. Why not? Paulson and Bernanke are on the record saying the US will absorb THEIR debt also! (Which is insane, imo!)

If I were a Japanese Gov. official I would be urging the investment industries to pump as much debt as they could and then ask for the bailout option. Why? Because this gives me a firm voice in the economic well-being of another nation.

So, in the morning we will see a quick drop in prices (rats abandoning ship) but by the end of the day they will level out somewhat.

But as another poster mentioned above (,actually several) this is just a bandaid. A short term fix put in place to allow the rest of the cronies to sell out before the bottom falls out in the next couple of weeks. It is my opinion that something bad is going to come of this. Something worse than market manipulation.

What I can't get over is the OBVIOUS *bs* in the draft bill due to be put before the legislature. $700 billion at any given time while at the same time raising the debt ceiling by $2 trillion. Since the legislation was written with the statute that it cannot be ruled on by any court of law, they will raise this $700 billion figure once they cannot resale the debt. NOBODY is going to buy it. This is why we see the futures and world markets betting against the dollar.

Eh, at some point, the dollar will completely fail in the worlds' eyes and that is going to come sooner rather than later unless there is some MAJOR strong-arming going on. Probably in the form of bombs.

False flag op to occur very soon.

Edit to add: The US gov called the dealer a long time ago when they decided to strong arm developing nations into holding on to their securities. This is a deadly gambit. The only end of which is all out warfare against anyone who opposes your economic imperialism. We are about to see the dealer's hand.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by Jay-in-AR]

It'll be up 200 points on the dow and by 3/4 through the day it will freefall 350.

150 down tomorrow.

Money market accounts will be overdrawn placing numerous new banks in the hot seat by the end of the week.

By Friday, we will hear of at least 2 more majors out of luck, Toyota & GM merger talks, Microsoft buying a virtual bank and a major network changing hands. These are just silly predictions of course. Or are they. LOL.

1 Trillion dollars? That's a BAND AID! This economy needs serious stitches and a nice IV bag of antibiotics for its post surgery MRSA infection. The MRSA being our good old pseudo elected officials. Let's also keep in mind that the 1T is real time money. Not debt transfers / bonds or futures or any kind of extended use instrument. It's a water soluble cork in the leaking hoover dam. I wish I had a nice incorporated ponzi scheme like these bastards... The fraud would be covered up so long as there's at least one politician or friend of one on the board/ladder.


[edit on 21-9-2008 by Atlantican]

Originally posted by KaginD
Does anyone know a lot about the bailout??? I have a question, they said that they funded $700 billion for the mortgages and what not. But, it seems that each one is costing damn near 100 billion per bailout. So does that mean that they will only be able to bail out 10 companies tops?? If so, then we are going to see a major melt down when the 700 billion is all spent up... Or is it unlimited funding?? I can't see how it would be unlimited considering our national debt, but I'm just curious..

Per the text of the draft:

Sec. 6. Maximum Amount of Authorized Purchases.

The Secretarys authority to purchase mortgage-related assets under this Act shall be limited to $700,000,000,000 outstanding at any one time

That's $700 BILLION at ANY ONE TIME.
That means they can spend $700B on junk mortgage securities, sell off $300B, and buy another $300B worth - just as long as their total purchases at any one time does not exceed $700B. Over and over and over if they so please.

The language of the drafted legislation has this agency in existence for at least two years.
It also increases the national debt limit by nearly TWO TRILLION DOLLARS, enough to run though that $700B limit two times plus a wee bit. Of course, Congress can increase this debt limit at a later date as needed.

So, yes, it is unlimited funding.
No, I don't know where the money is going to come from.

As to what the markets will do tomorrow - I think it's going to depend on how well other countries understand this draft. If they realize they can sell off their bad mortgage securities debt to us, I expect foreign markets will do okay.
The American markets will depend on what WaMu does, IMO. If they find a buyer, the markets will do well.

Dow futures are at -105.00 at the time of this post.

This thing could very easily end up costing 6 trillion dollars. Fannie and Freddie hold 5.3 trillion in mortgages. Opening bell monday morning is going to be interesting to say the least. i wouldn't be surprised if Paulson and Bernake close the market within the first hour of trading because it takes a huge dump

I think the answer depends on what "they" decide it will do. Our market has been mortally compromised. The fact that it now goes against what logic & sound financial models predict it should do is proof of this. Oil prices skyrocket based on proof there's no supply & demand issue, gold drops precipitously alongside the US dollar, incolvent debt is merely shifted from a self contained single conglomerate entity on the market to an overall, across the board government/tax payer at-risk holding and the market climbs historically fast. None of it is making any sense.

Either our entire financial market has become so intertwined that one failing conglomerate acts like pulling a loose string on a sweater and unravels the entire market, or there's a major behind the scenes force working here to ensure the market does exactly what "they" want it to do for their own personal gain. Either way, it's been tragically compromised and very well may never be trustworthy again.

If I was a betting man, I'd say that the market will spend the first half of the week in a roller coaster with extreme gains and extreme losses over the course of the day, but return to basically the same spot it opened the day at by the end of trading. Then, after Congress has nationalized all of that bad debt and signed away our nation's future wealth, who knows? Will it be a quick, bloody death as "they" now have what they want and decide to implode the markets... or will they allow us to twist on the line for a few weeks? a few months? years? Who's to say?

the stock market- which is really the realm of monied market makers, the large fund managers, and day traders...& not the public at large
will take advantage of the financials that have mortgage-based-assets as a large portion of their business.
and even those will be exploited quickly---as the unacceptable risk level of that sector of stocks is very near the present price of those stocks.

IOW-- there isn't very much of a profit in buying the mortgage originators
as the gov't bailout is not in place yet (the bailout package is not expected to be finalized until this Friday, 26 Sept '08, at the earliest)
And it is too speculative to think that the gov't agency will buy the troubled mortgage-related-assets at 100% face value...many suggest the value of this garbage paper will be selling for anywhere from 22cents to 80cents on the dollar,


as far as other sectors of the wider market... the momentum players will be in the drivers seat, & who knows what they see for the future and back up their bets with money into the stock market...

the market may well move in a 10,900-11,800 trading range all week, or at least till the bailout package becomes law... there surely will be rumors and 'leaks' about the bailout that will make market swings,
it is surely not a time for me to be involved in either buying or selling in the stock market