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The Art of Dying: Discussion on C2C- Amazing!

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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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It was an amazing show, that's for sure. Couldn't have come sooner, because I just learned one of my friends is going to die soon.


Along time a go I lost my personal fear of death but I am still intersted in the process. It is a very special time and I hope to have some kind of indication that my own time is nearing in order to appreciate it.

Most fascinating was his research into the visions of they dying people that did not coincide with their religion.




posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 08:45 PM
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Scientists can replicate the exact same experience by simulating a certain part of the brain, out of body experience, tunnel of light, being surrounded by people.... All of it can be reproduced, there is no afterlife...



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 08:59 PM
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How do you know they are not actually provoking a real out of body experience by jumping the switch in the body machine to eject the spirit?

Scientists always seem to want to have their experiment be the last word, and it never is.

Btw, your link asks for member validation, try and link to open access specialist sites please if you want to try to use the specialist authority card, so we can actually see the information.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by Zepherian]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 09:11 PM
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You have a point and I agree with you.

Today's mainstream scientists are ignorant too many of the times. Don't they teach history so we don't repeat the past and learn upon our mistakes? Take Galileo for instance; he has shunned from his community and the church and people called him a madman for his beliefs that have turned out to be fact. Why don't scientists and people think people who believe in NDEs and related phenomena are crazy? That makes people who have experienced events not well known to this date very frustrated and feel like outsiders. Hopefully we will learn one day.

Today, the issues are different such as alleged dimensions we don't know of, psychic abilities, cryptids (animals yet to be discovered, not saying all are real though), and other topics we currently classify as alternative just because it's not the norm and we haven't researched it enough.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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Excellent show, I was glued listening for entire show. As a person working in health care, it was nice to hear someone talking openly about similar experiences I've witnessed with others.

I recently lost a beloved pet. My black lab Josey came to me in a dream. Same smell, same spirit, looked exactly the same. I did not touch her, and she made no attempt to touch me. She sat in front of me and we had telepathic conversation. She spoke english as if she were a person and I spoke directly to her, but our mouths never moved.

Maddeningly enough, I cannot remember WHAT was said between us!



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 09:53 PM
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Another great show on C2C was a show about a Physicist who had done many experiments on OBE in the monroe institude, at first he was a skeptic, but after the many experiments he became a believer.

It's very interesting, he even talks about his theories on how the universe works, how we are multidimensional beings etc.

Here's part 1. There are 11 parts.
www.youtube.com...

Please tell me what you guys think.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Lecter
Scientists can replicate the exact same experience by simulating a certain part of the brain, out of body experience, tunnel of light, being surrounded by people.... All of it can be reproduced, there is no afterlife...


I've read about their replication. While it on the surface just barely meets the websters dictionary definition of an nde, the participants were aware of feeling distorted. This did not meet the nde definition of the qualitative experiences of the nders. They report super consciousness and know there is no delusion occuring. People born blind can report in color what they have seen. They are as different as apple and oranges.

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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 10:16 PM
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You rock Pheonix. Thanks for the link. I knew someone would come thru! Thank you very much.
j



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by jpm1602
You rock Pheonix. Thanks for the link. I knew someone would come thru! Thank you very much.
j

LOL I hope you don't think this is last night show! Sorry to dissapoint!
BUT it is a previous show and it's still very interesting, all about about OBE.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by _Phoenix_]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by Benarius
I had 3 near death experiences very early in my life. And all were in conjuction with water. I'll tell you about my first, which took all fear of dying till this day 30 years later. I keep the story short. As I was struggling in the cold water, I didn't feel anything anymore. All I remember is hearing music and seeing white light. Thats all. The next thing I remembered is being pulled into a fishing boat. And then blackout till I warmed up and came out of shock.

Similar drowning accidents happened twice later. These 3 experiences happened between my age of 7 and 12.

What I do remember is during the struggles, even my body was fighting, my mind was at easy, feeling mellow. Somehow as if there is a fuse that shuts off everything.




Wow. This is the first account I've ever read that is in any way similar to my own experience. I have turned it over and over in my mind to try to make sense of it, but it is more and more baffling as the years go by. I am not bothered by what I experienced, but rather by my reaction in the moment--my apparent lack of concern with fighting or trying to survive.

The experience occurred during a rafting trip when I was a child. We were going along the rapids in Montana when our raft flipped, sending me into the water. We had been told what to do and what not to do to survive falling into the rapids, but none of that came to mind when I hit the water. I remember distinctly having no sense of fear or desire to reach the surface of the water. Instead, I floated slowly toward the river bed in complete and utter peace and quiet. It was all so gentle and free--I do not even recall feeling the water in my lungs or on my skin. I did not see any lights or hear any sounds--it was absolute stillness and quiet. I do remember seeing myself floating toward the bottom as if I was an observer from a short distance away, to the side of my body. This lasted for a matter of seconds but felt like much longer, until I felt someone grab my hand and pull me back to the surface. The moment they touched me, I felt panic. It was as if someone turned on the light and I realized the magnitude of the situation. A wave of fear washed over me at that moment, but not a second before.

What has bothered me about this is the ostensible absence of a will to fight, to struggle for life. I had always assumed that I would fight against death, but my true reaction was the direct opposite. While it continues to bother me, it is comforting to hear of a similar experience. If anything, it provides a sense of normalcy to what seems to be an abnormal situation.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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Awesome thread!!


@Benarius;

I got to tell you, your story of near drowning is exactly my experience too. There is a period of tremendous struggle, of your body fighting to breathe, and then there's that moment of peace there is a moment when you almost feel like you are going to sleep, a moment as if you are about to fall into a deep sleep and I too did hear music. That moment of sleep I saw things flash quickly over me, particular feelings of utter sadness that my family was feeling, my mother in particular, I also felt guilt and regret. I didn't get beyond that, because I was fortunate that the set of waves stopped and got small enough to allow me to float back to the surface. I swam the rest of the way, and puked everything I had for lunch in front of some people that crowded over me. Packed my things and went home, and till this day I've kept it a secret from my family members, even though I'm getting-up there in years.

Just a strange experience. To this day, I've not gone back to surfing...and I'm not sure whether it's maturity or fear, but I have learned to appreciate life more on a deeper level, I abhor violence of any type, and it makes me sad when I think about the violence that we are contributing to around the world, in the name of so-called liberty, for the sake of the few.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by Gateway]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Yes I remember those expierments.

I believe you are refering to the God Helmet...

At first I thought wow...THAT is what a NDE is.

But after further study I found that it was very dissapointing.

Now, it has been pretty well been disproven unless you are a hard core materialist.

I would get some references for you but I am sitting in bed....a very good study on this very thing is in the book The Spiritual Brain.

Here is a linkwww.amazon.com...



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:22 PM
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Hi all..

yeah it is true that we are immortal souls


this guy is amazing and so is the information he shares in this video imo...

THE CHANGING FACE OF TIME – 2012 IS COMING, with Dannion Brinkley.

video.google.com...


Google Video Link



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:34 PM
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This for me was also a great show, about the afterlife, this show had a great guest: Here's some quick info about it:


Dr. Allan Hamilton attended Harvard Medical School and later became the Chief of Neurosurgeon and Chairman of the Department of Surgery at the University of Arizona Health Sciences Center. He currently holds a main appointment as a Professor in Neurosurgery as well as professorships in Radiation Oncology, Psychology, and Electrical and Computer Engineering. Dr. Hamilton also is the Executive Director of The Arizona Simulation Technology and Education Center (ASTEC) at The University of Arizona College of Medicine.

Brain Surgeon Dr. Allan Hamilton discussed his experiences with spirituality and the supernatural and how they are manifested in the lives of patients. In one case, a woman with a brain aneurism was placed on a heart/lung machine during surgery, and there was no blood flow to her brain. Yet, afterwards she was able to recount exactly what happened during the operation. Where were these memories stored?, Hamilton pondered.

He described his own healing experience with an Indian medicine man who determined that the pain he was undergoing was caused by not letting go of the spirit of a little boy who had died in his care. When people or animals are close to dying, Hamilton said he has often observed a waxy, yellow light almost shining off their body.

Dr. Hamilton also shared some helpful rules for when you or a loved one goes into the hospital. Among them:
Never underestimate luck-- good or bad.
Find a doctor who cares about you, someone that can serve as an advocate.
Live your life with death in it-- don't take a single day for granted.
Ask your doctor to pray with you.
Don't be turned into just another patient-- hospitals tend to strip patients of their identity.
Listen to your favorite music-- music has a connection to emotional states.
Develop your own healing rituals.


Just an amazing show, one of my all time favorites, really worth a listen!!!

This Dr. Hamilton, sounds like gentle and kind soul, we all should be so luck to find a personal Doctor who is this sensitive.

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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:02 AM
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My mother described the final days of my grandmother in the hospital before she died back in 2003.

She described her as being very lucid and aware of her surroundings and the people who were there, which was in stark contrast to the years before as she had suffered from Alzheimers for a while. But according to my mom, my grandmother said she was visited by dead relatives. Once by a man that attended their church for years. He said to pass along a message to my cousin that he needed to be baptized. She also said she was visited by other relatives who wanted her to cross over with them, but she was afraid to die. Being brought up in a very strict southern church, the horrors of "hellfire and damnation" had been drilled into her head since she was a small girl. She was constantly afraid that she wasn't living a Christian-enough life. She said she saw my grandfather, her husband, who died back in the 70's.

One last thing I found interesting - on several occasions, grandma would ask mom or my aunts in the room who the man in the white suit was and she pointed to the back of the room. Of course, there was no one there they could see matching that description. But she said that she didn't feel threatened by him at all and he acted like he was waiting. She also said sometimes he was in a group of two other men who also wore white suits, discussing things, though she couldn't hear what they were talking about.

Grandma finally said a prayer with my mom's older sister and apparently she felt better about passing on because she died later that night, but not before telling everyone else that she felt better about moving from this life to the next.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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My grandma died in June, surrounded by all of her children and my aunts and uncles said it was such a peaceful death. The day before she died, in fact, about 24 hours prior, she said she saw my grandfather (dead for 20 years) in the room with her, and once she saw him, it was like she was excited to just get the heck out of here and move on! Family thought it was odd how happy she was that she was going to be dying soon. 24 hours later she died. In the course of the last several hours, there was no movement from her and the nurses and doctor said she couldn't see any longer, nor could she speak. But my dad told me that as her breathing grew shallower and shallower, they knew she would die at any moment and then there was the last breath and it fully exhaled and at that moment, she raised out both of her hands and then they came to rest on her chest, in a peaceful looking way. He and his brothers went to get the nurse, but his 2 sisters stayed at the bedside. The both witnessed a beam of light flash in through the window beside my grandma's body, onto her forhead and then it was gone.


My grandma was a Christian by the way.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:14 AM
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You all might like to watch this documentary on NDE:
www.youtube.com...

I personally believe that near death experiences are part of satan's deception. The Bible is clear that he shows himself as an angel of light. I think the same thing about aliens - they're demons - they're a form a deception, just as NDEs are. NDE's make people think that everyone gets to go to some sort of heavenly place and it doesn't matter what they "believe." It is perhaps the uttmost of deception.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:18 AM
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I had the honor of holding my father as he took his last breathe in '84.

I can only describe it as an electical shock of some form blowing threw my torso and out to the beyond.

We went home. Mom and I. As soon as we got in the door our dog Max went absolutely mad. Max loved dad the best.
That dog wasn't quite right after that.
Nor should I say, was I.

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posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:23 AM
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Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
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You all might like to watch this documentary on NDE:
www.youtube.com...

I personally believe that near death experiences are part of satan's deception. It is perhaps the uttmost of deception.


I'm a little confused, why do you think NDE are part of Satan's deception?

Even if it is a deception as you say, then the joke is on Satan, because most people that have this experience change the way they live and see their lives, they become more spiritual, they are appreciative of life at the same time find comfort and solace that their dead loved ones have gone to a far better place



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:30 AM
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So very typical and expected Gateway. Some occums razor atheist to come about and attempt to naysay anyones beatiful experience. It was bound and determined to happen.



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