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Pakistan Truck Bomb -- WHO DID THIS?

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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:19 AM
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What a clueless bunch here ... anyway,

amazingly, the CCTV video which contradicts ALL WESTERN news reports is on my blog-page:



For your enjoyment.

I have downloaded it and enhanced+enlarged+sloweddown it looks partly very strange. Something unusual is going on there. But first,

the "truck" does not seem to have "crashed" into the barrier. The security guards did not seem worried (no shoot-out).

Then the driver cabin explodes. Now the strange thing happens.

The attempt with the fire extinguisher FANS THE FLAMES!! Is this a special fire?

about 3 minutes later -- for a few seconds -- there is a

strange white light



at the motor which then extinguishes.


There are burning bits and pieces falling from the roof of the van.

Check it out:



And, young boys, let the power of observation guide your thoughts!!

Please let me know if you know what the vertical cylindrical measuring-apparatus is.



[edit on 21-9-2008 by u2r2h]

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[edit on 21/9/2008 by Mirthful Me]




posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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That middle picture looks similar. I dont know how you can be sure this was the work of muslims, but I guess you dont need proof after all the propaganda you have been receiving. They say it works on most people.


Do you have a link to the story where the middle picture is from?


[edit on 21-9-2008 by Copernicus]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.


In all my years following the troubles in Northern Ireland I never noticed any craters where the blasts took place. . .


Well, I'm assuming you missed these then...proof that physics-created craters are left by IRA bombs as well:

IRA car bomb Manchester 1996

www.bbc.co.uk...

Ealing car bomb attacks, 2001

news.bbc.co.uk...

carbomb in Banbridge

news.bbc.co.uk...

IRA lorry bomb at Canary Wharf

images.onesite.com...


[edit on 9-21-2008 by Valhall]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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No, that is not what caused the crater. The driver killed himself in a small blast that engulfed the cabin. Guards came and tried to put out that fire with extinguishers. Only worked to an extent. The main blast was not caught on film and happened four minutes after this video. Do not ask why the explosion was not caught on film or why the camera wasn't destroyed. Think for a second. The camera sent a feed back to a control room. The camera probably was damaged and overloaded at the time of the blast and sent no feed.
Or believe that Evil Black Op Americans, Illunminati Jews, and World Bank operatives snuck in and took out the tapes.

Believe for a second that bad people are everywhere in this world, just like good people, and they do have the capacity to do bad things especially in terrorist countries like Pakistan. The fallacy of suspicion of authority runs too rampant and is only based in some truth that ties back to: again; There are bad people everywhere. Some bad people have jobs that put them in positions of authority. Therefore there are bad people in places of authority who can thus have the opportunity to abuse their power.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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The strange white light that's seen near the engine compartment is the headlamps coming on main beam and then going off a short time later. This may be a result of the switches in the cab melting and shorting out.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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Yeah, the middle picture is a black and white image of a more famous color photo. Here are some links to what happened.

Articles on what happened:
en.wikipedia.org...
www.cnn.com...
The CNN one = OLD article
President Clinton's address on what happend:
www.lib.umich.edu...

King of Saudi Arabia's statement:
www.lib.umich.edu...

The burden of proof is on you and the other conspiracy theorists to prove that this is all propaganda. Easy to say, not so easy to prove. Again, this stems from the fallacy of suspicion of all authorities. Perfectly understandable and human. Don't think I don't look at and try to analyze both sides of the story before making up my mind. People that do not go along with conspiracies (even the conspiracy theories that have you convinced) are not sheeple. Sheeple are people who refuse to deny ignorance. I would not be on this forum if that was my intention.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:42 AM
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What measly little craters from your lorry bombs!

Isn't it amazing that the bombers are always suiciders! How convenient! There is nobody to kiss and tell afterwards.

In Madrid the bombers blew themselves up when the police was closing in.

If the Islamabad Marriott bomb was a normal truck bomb, how come the barriers didn't help prevent it? The size of that explosion and the crater is indicative of a very specific size bomb AND A BLAST DIRECTION.

Its time to ask some explosives experts. The boy-group here at ATS doesn't cut the mustard.

If you look at the photos the crater is likely to be more than 20 metres wide and 6 metres deep.


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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by newagent89
The burden of proof is on you and the other conspiracy theorists to prove that this is all propaganda. Easy to say, not so easy to prove. Again, this stems from the fallacy of suspicion of all authorities. Perfectly understandable and human. Don't think I don't look at and try to analyze both sides of the story before making up my mind. People that do not go along with conspiracies (even the conspiracy theories that have you convinced) are not sheeple. Sheeple are people who refuse to deny ignorance. I would not be on this forum if that was my intention.


Ever heard of the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"? Its actually from your court system. So... if you deny ignorance, why are you blaming the Muslims?

Surely you have seen the development in the US for the last 8 years since Bush got elected. Surely you have read their plan for a New American Century and have eyes to look at the world today with. Dont you find it a bit strange that their "new Pearl Harbor" happened and everything that was depending on it also happened afterwards?

If not, you should read up on it. Start with 9/11, it was what opened my eyes since its impossible for a few muslim boys to defy gravity, the united states airforce and the laws of physics no matter how pissed off they may be at the US.

Its too late now anyways. They have gotten what they want. The laws have been rewritten and the country is on the brink of economic disaster. The media reports nothing of importance and most of it is propaganda anyway. And people think muslim terrorists are the threat.



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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 11:56 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



It depends on the type of strata below the point of explosion as to whether a crater will be left behind.

I think you'll find that the mythbusters detonation was carried out in an old quarry, which means that the blast wave would be reflected up off the rock bed beneath, and as such may not leave a crater.

Road ways are constructed out of layers of asphalt, each having a different purpose with regard to the performance of the road, and although bituminous or concrete roads are strong, if the sub-strata they are laid on is weak and any services/conduits/sewers lie beneath the point of explosion the chances are that the compression caused by the detonation will cause them to shear, crack and blow apart, causing a crater.



As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 12:10 PM
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Jeez
I was wondering how long it was going to take for all the parrots to start sqwaking "The US did it"



photo of crater at khobar tower boming


the crater is 85 feet in dia and 35 feet deep

How many car/truck bombs have been set off by muslim extremeists around the world in the last 30 years?



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues

So, now we have 40 dead and non of them are parliament members that were packed in there for a meeting. [edit on 21-9-2008 by DeadFlagBlues]


My guess, the explosion was aimed at disrupting a muslim feast AND the possibility of taking out lots of diplomats and the like.

So... Here's my theory* (based on prior examples of so called suicide bombers - anyone remember the kid with downs syndrome or the trucks that get stopped at check points and later drive through busy market places, knowing nothing about the bomb that somebody has just hidden in the back...)

Okay, i'll spell it out. The first little explosion was designed to kill the driver and stop the truck (almost certainly remotely operated).... then when the panic of the first blast has passed, people get suspicious and go to the truck. The truck is in position to do prime damage.

Then that's when the second bomb went off.

But that must have been one hell of a secondary explosion though.

*it's just a theory, but i do suspect almost 80% of the suicide bombings are not REALLY suicide bombings. Hard to explain, but i believe they are manipulated.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 12:22 PM
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I was just having a little fun on my first post. I'm just waiting for the results to come out. I always catch myself being a "what if armchair scientist" from time to time, and it's a habit I wish I could quit. The whole circumstances behind the bombing are incredibly fishy. The huge crater, the local and foreign diplomats inside, the two bombs, the Marines unloading cargo. I'm very suspicious of this whole thing. Maybe it would be a good thing for all of us to bite our tongues until we hear more of what is actually confirmed; relevant.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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The phrase is: Suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That does not mean that they aren't literally guilty. It means that they are not guilty and ready to be sentenced under the rules of law. If a gangster kills a bunch of people, but does it carefully and gets off in court, he is still the guilty one but not in the eyes of the law. However, with your rationale, it was Muslim terrorists because there have been convictions in the United States court system (Moussaoui for one). Therefore, a Islamic terrorist is guilty of the 9/11 attacks. Any high ups in the government? None convicted. None tried. If you rethink your rationale, you will realize you don't like it.

I will repeat myself: I have look at both sides of the fence on every issue including, obviously, September 11th and the events surrounding it. It is clear that Islamic terrorists were involved and wanted this to happen, have wanted this to happen before the neo-con Project for a New American Century was ever written (That project reflects the agenda of conservatives and reflects what was going on in the world in the late 90s and what the possible projections were. Big and bad things happen. Some are conspiracies like the Reichstag Fire, some are outside attacks, like the 9/11 attacks) There are people in this world that hate America, hate us because of our lifestyle, our power, and our religion. Just as there have been Christian fundamentalists here based in errant Bible teachings and interpretations, so they exist in other countries, in other faiths. Men who sought power and held it well, used their power and charisma to influence the minds of their 'armies'. Look at what the pope was able to do in the crusades. Hate and fear are powerful tools for those, like terrorist leaders, who want power and know how to influence people to get there.

You need to stop saying that this is all propaganda. Again, the burden of proof is on people who are coming from a conspiracy theory standpoint. This propaganda argument is without proof. If you ask me for proof that there is no propaganda is like trying to get me to prove that bigfoot does not exist, therefore he exists. There is media bias and competition but none of it is real government propaganda. Pundits make it look like there is, but they argue from both sides and really are just about entertaining their audience.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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Why was the U.S FBI agents at the hotel???? They were injured.

here is a news link: Click Here

I know they are suspecting it's tali band.

But why would they target such a building???

Unless there were important people in that building at the time of the attack.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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My My the mini nuke kooks are already out in force

Radiation detectors do not need a Geiger tube - Geiger counters or
more correct Geiger-Muller tubes are just one variety.

The CDV 715/715 uses an ion chamber housed in body of the detector
It does not have a external tube

I own a CDV 717.



The CD V-717 was designed for use in fallout monitoring stations. The CD V-717 has the exact same operating characteristics as the CD V-715 but with an added feature. The CD V-717 has a removable bottom with a 25 foot extension cable. The detector element (ion-chamber) is mounted inside the removable bottom. This allows for the placement of the detector element outside of the shelter area while the metering section of the metering unit would remain inside of the shelter area connected to the detector with the 25 foot cable. The CD V-717 originally had to be specially requested in addition to the other instruments (CD V-700, CD V-715 etc) for issue to use in fallout monitoring stations. The yellow bag is to protect the case bottom from the weather when it is placed outside the shelter area. Victoreen was the only manufacturer of the CD V-717.





One of the more common radiation dosimeters is the CD 742 "pencil" model. I used one of these when worked with radioactive materials



The CD V-138, CD V-730, CD V-740 and CD V-742 (from left to right in photo) are the standard dosimeters used by Civil Defense. The CD V-742 is the most commonly found dosimeter due to there being over 3 million of these produced. The CD V-138 is a low-range 200 millitoentgen scale range dosimeter used for training. The CD V-730s and CD V-740s were early dosimeters that were superseded by the CD V-742. There were approximately 160,000 of each of these produced.




Now the smallest nuclear weapon deployed - MK/W54 "Davy Crockett"
had a (nominal) yield of 10 to 20 tons (preset not user selectable)

The lethal damage radius is from 350 - 400 meters from radiation, blast
and thermal lethal radius from 100 - 200 meters which means if was
a nuclear weapon EVERYONE in that hotel would be dead or dying!

Lethal effects radius

10 ton




Thermal 104 meters
3rd deg flash burn

Blast 162 meters
4.6psi blast force

Radiation 350 meters
Lethal 500 rem


20 ton



Thermal 138 meters
3rd deg flash burn

Blast 203 meters
4.6psi blast force

Radiation 400 meters
Lethal 500 rem



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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Stunning crater, and like people have said truck bombs don't crater, and that is one huge mother of a crater. Can anyone say Uranium?

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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 01:25 PM
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Now for the multiple explosions - if you look at the security video being
shown can see truck hung up at security gate then explosion in cab.

What the first explosion was (grenade, suicide vest?) is unknown at this
time, but reports indicate was probably grenade. Using grenade against
security forces during truck bomb is common tactic.

Nairobi Embassy bombing 1998



Mr. Gaudin said that Mr. al-'Owhali had expected to die in the bombing. His mission, the agent testified, was to ride in the truck with the bomb to the embassy, then stun the guards with grenades and gunshots so the truck could get close to the embassy walls.

At the embassy, Agent Gaudin said, Azzam drove the truck to a parking lot in back. Mr. al-'Owhali jumped out, the agent went on, ready to shoot at the military guard.

There was a problem, Agent Gaudin said: Mr. al-'Owhali suddenly realized that he had left his pistol in the truck. So he tossed a grenade at the guard, the agent testified, and people began to run.



The grenade would either kill/stun the gate guards or at very least make
them dive for cover. Question is wheter bomber realizing truck was stuck
and guards closing in set off grenade to prevent capture or screwed up
and dropped it.....



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Just to add to this thread:

Al Qaeda suspected of Marriott bombing

Al Al Qaeda Blamed on this already.

Does anyone remember the movie called 'The Kingdom' where there was a small first explosion to get rescue/aid/first responders to the scene then the big major explosion went off that done the damage.

Just a thought, is all

About the Movie 'The Kingdom'

I know its a shot and the first explosion at the hotel was not really that much.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by StarTraveller]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by thedman
My My the mini nuke kooks are already out in force



Mini nukes? Surely the crash and petrol fuel made that crater and fuelled the fires. Oh and don't forget a huge lorry filled with petrol crashing into the barrier also weakened the surrounding area, allowing the road to pancake in on itself.





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posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 01:43 PM
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Great point. Great movie. The Kingdom was the first thing I though of when I saw the pics. Also, something people aren't realizing is that the Mythbusters aren't foolproof. Their debunking of craters happened in a rock quarry and thus there was no crater. On an asphalt street with dirt underneath? Most def.



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