This is a long post because I've got 4 pages to catch up with already...
I can pretty much understand your viewpoint on religion, Dave. As I was growing up, my parents never saw fit to drag me into church, figuring that I
should come up with my own opinions...For that much, I thank them. I was at least able to allow my own Faith to develop as I matured, looking into the
different religions, research some origins in history & so forth. As near as I can figure out my own self (
), I've come to consider myself
Fatihful, but not Religious...Which is to say that I do have a Faith that the Laws of Nature came out too "organized" to have been by random chance,
but I don't view God as most doctrines portray Him. I don't think I consider myself Religious, because my research into history has given me a total
distain of organized
religion: It's the Organization that treats its own Religion with such hyppcrisy as to enter the realm of absurdity
(preaching Peace & yet look at all of the Crusades, Inquisitions, Jyhads, etc.).
In my belief, if God really did Create All, then a part of Him also resides in All, including us
as individuals (even if we have trouble
recognizing it sometimes). In as much that I feel that if someone hasn't been able to find God in their own heart, they're sure as hell never going
to find Him in a Church. As such, if someone puts more faith into the Church
of Organized Religion, then it can quickly become a security
blanket...But when someone has true Faith, then the "security blanket" isn't needed.
Originally posted by KOGDOG
How ironic... a thread originated by a "patriot/vet" asking if "religion is a security blanket" on a Site dedicated to conspiracy theories ranging
from government cover-ups of UFO's, 911 Truth, and now the controlled demolition of the global economic "system".
Nothing ironic about it being posted in ATS...Organized Religion is responsible for lots
of conspiracies down throughout history. In fact, most
(if not all) of the conspiracies discussed here on ATS have posts that point out that there may even be a religious "influence" behind them even
As to the Laws of Nature I've already mentioned, I believe that everything is far too organized & interlocked with itself to have been random
chance...And humanity's study of Sciences also proves that to me. The way I see it, all branches of all Sciences have, at their very root, a common
study into the Laws of Nature that forms the basis of all human knowledge. Any real Science started out that way...Observation, Contemplation &
Experimentation in order to build upon the knowledge of Nature. It's through knowing the Laws of Nature that we can better come to know ourselves as
human beings...Even the Christian Bibles say that humanity "came from the Earth." This is not to say that some Entity picked up a handful of dirt &
breathed life into it, but more to say that we evolved through the Laws of Nature to get where we are today.
I've heard some people say that homo sapiens sapiens
is the "chief product of evolution," but I would disagree with that...As that, while
humanity still survives as a species, we will continue to evolve in time. After all, the basis of Darwin's Theory of evolution is that lower-order
lifeforms will tend to evolve into higher-order lifeforms, given continued survival & the ability to adapt to its environment. Whereas other species
must rely mostly on physical
adaptations to survive in changing climates (after all, the Earth has experienced periodic ice ages & the
continental drift causes climates ot change over time as the land masses move & "bump" into each other), humanity's intelligence has developed the
ability to create tools that help us adapt. There have been occasional mass-extinctions throughout history & the species that didn't survive are the
ones who couldn't adapt quickly enough...Yet humans can adapt more quickly (through our technologies) to have a chance to survive long enough for
to catch up.
And yet, our survival as a species is still locked into the Laws of Nature...Human Nature has developed only due to the existence of the Laws of
Nature. Take for example, the 10 Commandments...Basically, a set of common-sense "rules" that allow for us to live with each other as a common
species while still living within the Laws of Nature. The blunt fact is that we still rely on the Laws of Nature because the Earth is our only
home...If we mess it up bad enough, we'll only wind up extinct, but Nature itself will recover & re-balance itself long after we're gone.
Originally posted by Grey Magic
I wish we would abolish organized religion in every way and make it individual religion.
This is one point that leads me to believe that the US Constitution
was a work of sheer genius on
the part of the Founding Forefathers...They clearly had the Laws of Nature firmly set into their minds when they wrote it to form a unique government
that emphasizes the individual over the government it establishes. In this particular case, just check out the 1st Amendment (bold emphasis is
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Constitution even forbids any particular "test" of religion in the choosing of government Officials, specifically in Article 6, Clause 3:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers,
both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test
shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
In essence, this Clause specifies that the government should always put their loyalties in the People first but still allow for defending the Right to
practice religion as the individual
sees fit (as long as the practice of such religion does not infringe upon the equal Rights of others).
Originally posted by dunwichwitch
...Convenience, which is kind of a friendly way of saying "lack of self-responsibility", I guess is a big giant security blanket.
Also, just as with the Laws of Nature & the Constitution, it stresses the same tenant: We are all free to do what we will in order to survive, but we
must also be prepared to accept the responsibility for the consequences of what we do...As the "Ruling Elite" violate the Laws of Nature by allowing
excessive pollution & "tinkering" too far beyond our wisdom to control ourselves (such as with the new
"genetically enhanced foods"
), Nature itself begins to re-align for balance (ie: such as the GE foods
starting to kill off pollinators (such as bees), as mentioned in the link--If the GE foods have trouble pollinating, food crops also suffer), they
also violate their Oaths of Office to the Constitution & American society itself crumbles until a new balance is achieved. In essence, it also comes
down to Newton's 3rd Law of "action & reaction." Even Human Ethics will produce repercussions when violated!
In short, the Constitution follows the same kind of pattern of "intelligence" as seen in the Laws of Nature...In that it's parts have a synergy,
interlocking all parts together so that the whole is more than equal to the mere sum of its parts. Even the Constitution itself is a work of
"evolution" as it began with the Magna Carta of 1215, developed through the "new environment" of the Colonies on the North American Continent
while suffering through a "climate change" during the War of Independence, passing through the stages of the Continental Congress (& the Articles of
Confederation) until it achieved the form it has today...And it's still a "living" document, as it has the capability of more adaptation through
the process of Amendments! It's all just like the Laws of Nature that created Life in such a variety & abundance on this planet & maintains Life
despite the global climatic changes down through history.
These are the reasons why, IMO, that humanity is moving (socially) towards individual self-responsibility. Because these big "organizations" have
always sought to impose some form of "mass-belief" system on individuals & since the advent of a publicly-accessible internet, individuals
are learning & growing on our own...Without
the "benefit" of external "guidance."
Originally posted by Dave Rabbit
It's funny, but on a lot of things that are posted on our home... it is better and more insightful than any shrink in the world.
This is a good example about the freedom in the internet...With the pittance that an internet connection costs, you're saving thousands
compared to seeing a shrink over a period of months or years! Look at all of the group-therapy you've gotten just over the past 4 pages of this
This is a perfect example of what I mention later (about the Iowa flooding) in this post about individuals
not needing to be forced to help
each other...Which is what people are doing across the world & on the internet. Far better for individuals to voluntarily gather together at need than
to rely on the old, broken-down systems of organized controls initiated by force