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Poll: Racial views steer some white Dems away from Obama

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posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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As was predicted by Rush Limbaugh, the MSM is preparing everyone for an Obama loss. They are already starting to spin it into a racially mtivated loss. How transparent and unimaginitive they are. It's sad really.

By RON FOURNIER and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent," responsible for their own troubles.

news.yahoo.com...




posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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People can be ignorant. But they have a right to be. Some people hold color against white people too.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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They have completely lost their mind! look at this graphic they included with the story:


this is completely irresponsible reporting!
it is as if they went looking for racist people to poll!
they are stooping to a new low...never seize to amaze me.

[edit on 20-9-2008 by Fathom]



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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Don't forget about the Bradley effect. Where people will tell pollsters one thing not to seem racist, then vote differently when alone in the voting booth.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by RRconservative
Don't forget about the Bradley effect. Where people will tell pollsters one thing not to seem racist, then vote differently when alone in the voting booth.

en.wikipedia.org...

yeah, the bradley effect is good for 15 points at least.

ok i gotta smile..

can't hold it in any longer.

[edit on 20-9-2008 by Fathom]



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Fathom
this is completely irresponsible reporting!
it is as if they went looking for racist people to poll!
they are stooping to a new low...never seize to amaze me.


Can you be more specific? Why does this seem irresponsible to you? I'm not arguing, I just don't think I understand your point.

And again, here:


Originally posted by Fathom
ok i gotta smile..

can't hold it in any longer.


Can you explain what you're smiling about? I feel totally confused.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:33 PM
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Ok the irresponsible reporting is because they can make a poll lean towards the side they want it to lean on. it is how the frame the questions they ask people. also it matters who you ask, they pick and choose who they ask to better their chances of getting the poll results they want to get.
The irresponsible part is because when Obama loses his supporters will automatically say "racist!" and innocent people may get hurt.
they are inciting the masses, rebelrousing, screaming "fire" in a movie theater....

and the reason I am smiling is because to be honest, I don't want Obama as President, I really don't want to get taxed to death and I don't want a weak military and I don't want to kiss rogue nations butts, I just want to defeat them and their way of thinking by the use of force if necessary.

sorry, I know we are on opposite sides on this one.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:41 PM
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Anything that starts with "As predicted by Rush Limbaugh" can't hold any truth to it.

Lo and behold, it isn't.

God, get a real news source for Christ's sake. He lies!! He lies all day on his radio show. I listen to it.

I heard him lying about Obama's lip stick comment. I heard him lying about how this budget crisis was 100% the democrats fault. I heard him lying about Biden's tax comment.

He never tells truth. He leaves out crucial elements so that he can spin the story how he wants it.

It's not even October yet and the polls are in a dead heat. How can anyone be preparing for a loss!?

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot. He talks about drug users being put in jail and the key thrown away, that is, until he gets busted.

He's a contradictory, arrogant jack#$# and there's no need to post his crap here.

I listen to his radio show just so that I deal with people like you spreading his lies.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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the source is AP, Associated Press.
not Rush. you should go back and read the entire post and not just stop at Rush Limbaugh.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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As was predicted by Rush Limbaugh, the MSM is preparing everyone for an Obama loss.


That was in the article?

Oh, well I stand corrected...



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by Fathom
sorry, I know we are on opposite sides on this one.


No problem. I just wanted to understand your post before answering. Thanks for the answers.


I don't know if I would judge the poll as inaccurate, though. I think it's true that many people raised in 1930s to 1980s America DO feel some negative racial views. I think that's just the truth. I know I do.

I have "deep-seated" racial views that were taught to me as a child that are HARD to shake. Even after being fully and consciously aware that these views are totally stupid and BS, they are still there. I have to think logically to make a decision that is not based on these outdated racial biases.

If I had participated in the poll, someone might read my answers and shout, "Racist"! But my logical mind is stronger than the deep-seated racial views I learned as a child. And those deep-seated (incorrect) views would not rule my vote.

I think this poll is probably accurate. But I doubt many people will let these prejudices decide their vote.

From your source:



More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can't win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don't have such views.


Bold by me. I disagree with this. I think the writer of the article assumes a person with "negative views" about black people are ruled by those views. Certainly, some will be. But many, like me, have some negative views, but recognize that they are 'bogus racial crap' that our parents unloaded on us and will move beyond that.



And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.
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Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks.
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Among white Democrats, one third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.


VERY interesting piece!



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 05:08 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 05:12 PM
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Calm down, Lord. If other things are so important (and I agree with you, they are) then go talk about them yourself! What are you doing wasting your time in this thread? If you don't have anything to say about the subject, please leave us to discuss whatever we want.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 05:13 PM
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I agree that most white Dems will not let their racist feelings (baggage) decide their vote for them and they will still vote for Obama. And when Obama loses it will NOT be because of race.
And that is exactly why I feel this artcle is crap! because they are trying to make it to be about race to instill anger in Obama supporters.
mho



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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You can't make this type of stuff up. It belongs in a comic or a SNL episode. This is the result of too much Rush without any critical thinking.

Somehow, the only way to not be racist is to vote against Obama. A vote for Obama means you have "baggage" - a weird, made-up form of reverse racism.

It's classic irony.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Sublime620
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You can't make this type of stuff up. It belongs in a comic or a SNL episode. This is the result of too much Rush without any critical thinking.

Somehow, the only way to not be racist is to vote against Obama. A vote for Obama means you have "baggage" - a weird, made-up form of reverse racism.

It's classic irony.

I'm glad we view the state of the present day, leftist, activist, liberal, msm the same way.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 07:52 PM
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FROM 538... THESE guys are the statistical nerds - a different take on things.






The commentariat's topic du jour is this AP story which cites a study conducted in conjunction with Yahoo!, Knowledge Networks and Stanford University and which reports that "Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice." Here are some thoughts I have on the matter:

1. It is irresponsible to cite this study without fully disclosing its methods or making it subject to peer review, particularly as it appears to use a rather convoluted soup of statistical and inferential techniques.

2. The study appears to be one of all adults, rather than registered or likely voters. Expressions of racial prejudice have a strong inverse correlation with education levels, and so do turnout rates. Therefore, even if it is true that Barack Obama's race puts him at something like a 6-point disadvantage with the population as a whole, the margin is probably more like 4-5 points among likely voters.

3. A related and unresolved question is how many persons will vote for Barack Obama because he is black. Such behavior would probably be more implicit and harder to ascertain than voting against a candidate because of racial prejudice. For instance, Obama's biography is significantly more compelling because he is black (actually, bi-racial), and his change message is probably somewhat easier to sell because he looks different than other (e.g. white) politicians. If he were white, in other words, Barack Obama would not be Barack Obama. Moreover, there may be some people who explicitly vote for Obama because they think it will advance a goal of racial equality, present a different face to the world, and so forth. In the absence of sufficient detail on the study's methodology, it is impossible to know whether these things have been accounted for.

4. One should be very careful not to confuse a study like this with the Bradley Effect. Of course some people are racist, and will vote against Obama because he is black -- I have met some of them. But the Bradley Effect concerns something different -- whether such people are likely to lie about their behavior to pollsters. There is simply no empirical evidence that the Bradley Effect exists any longer. It did not exist in the primaries, and it did not exist in the 2006 Senate race in Tennessee, which was perhaps the most racially-tinged contest of the past decade (in fact, Harold Ford slightly outperformed the late polls).


www.fivethirtyeight.com...



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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On a side line I have ten white folks for Obama in my family - two being in "EGYPT" VA.

One was leaning Mccain until he saw both men speak in person. +11


I caution either side to not count their chickens...



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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Obama has already lost if things appear to be in a dead heat.

Why?

Because Extreme rual America votes and isn't included in anyones polls.

I'd say probably the majority of polls are done on a street level which would centersthem in larger metropolitan areas and smaller cities

polls conducted by Phone, Republicans have a major issue with telemarketers and tend to hang the phone up as do people in rual communities overall

and please nobody get mad, this is just practical experience< I spent alot of time in my life telemarketing when I needed extra money, in College etc...

I would always specifically ask for the call list I knew was from Black neighborhoods because they will get on the phone and talk to you and give out CC info and all that alot faster and I did much better doing sales in poor urban calling zones than any well off neighborhood or rual location

Same goes for door to door, I also worked for Greenpeace for a time, Black community didn't much seem to care about the Whales... but I did good in liberal white neighborhoods

republicans by and large would yell at me...

So I don't know exactly how the polls are conducted, but I'm saying directly and with several yeasr of evidence to back it up...

Republicans don't answer the phone, they aren't often very nice at the door, they don't get into thier views unless they are pissed they don't stop for polls...

not with half the frequency of Black people and Liberals



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 08:57 PM
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I must disagree with that.

Polling, while not perfect, does have science to it. They do take samples from those areas and they are accounted for.

Trust me, people get paid a lot of money to account for issues like that.



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