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Originally posted by badmedia
The problem with the economy today is not money. And it never has been. Money is nothing more than a generic symbol of energy to ease commerce. Buying products and selling products is merely a representation of a transfer of energy. And sorry, but there is nothing wrong with "hoarding" what you've earned. Why do we sleep? To hoard back some energy so that we are more productive when we need the energy.
The problem is that we live under a system of economic slavery. Were a certain group of people are allowed to print up money and give it to where they want, which in turn robs the people of their wealth. And it's extremely hard for most people to grasp because it's not even a physical taking of the wealth.
If you have $100 in the economy, and you own $10 you have 10% of the worlds wealth. If there are 10 apples in the world, then each apple is worth $10. You have enough purchasing power to buy 1 apple. In comes an outside force who is able to print money up as much as they want. Lets say they add $100 into the economy. Now there is $200 total. And your $10 only represents 5% of the wealth. Now each apple costs $20 and you can only buy half an apple. Your purchasing power was just robbed from you, and you never lost a single dollar in your wallet.
And if that wasn't bad enough, this same entity makes us pay the $100 it created back. Plus interest which is never created. By default you have a system of debt which the printers of the money have all the control over you. There is never enough money in this kind of a system.
Who hurts the most from this are the poor people on fixed income. When the price of that apple doubles, they don't have a way of making another $10 to buy that whole apple. Their quality of living decreases. And yours does too, unless you are lucky enough to increase your income as the inflation increases.
All we need to do to fix our problem is to remove the entity that is producing the extra money, and giving it away to their corporate buddies so the CEO's can bring in millions of dollars in pay as their bk their company. So that the money in peoples pockets keeps it's value.
Gold and silver is of course the easy way out. Because it keeps the inflation rates low. But it's not the best system. The best system is one like colonial scripts. Which is similiar to what we have today, but the new created money is done so only at the rate of growth so that you do not have inflation or deflation. This is supposed to be what the fed does, but they don't, nor can they as long as they create the money as a loan + interest. And the newly created money would NOT be a loan that has to be paid back. It will not be a system of debt. The newly created money + corporate taxes should be the only income the government operates on. Individuals should not be paying taxes in a "free" society.
So I don't buy into the bee hive mentality, or communism as I call it. Any higher intelligence will understand and respect free will, and the freedom it requires. And the only system of money that respects the individual is one of the free markets behind sound money. Anything less than that is economic slavery. And that is what we are all today.
Nothing wrong with hoarding energy. Hoarding energy is what makes rockets work etc. What is wrong in our society is we have people who hoard energy by silently stealing it from others. And it is done systematically and has been legalized. If your or I did it, we would be put in prison for counterfeit. When they do it, it's a bailout or "for the good of the community".
Originally posted by gl2
badmedia: You land on my use of the word "centralized" as though I meant Stalinist everything. I was talking about a coherent, ecological, computer and resource-based "economy." Without that integrated, cross-checked standard, it can't be sustainable, a commonality.
The truth is, advanced aliens continue to suggest that even on their planets with integrated, essentially equal standards, there are counter-posed sub-regions that can critique, pose alternatives and escape that Stalinist-like centrality that you fear. It's rather obvious---the problems of one lump government are quickly discovered on every planet. Even within a given region, you need alternatives and protective legal checks, agencies and independents to break the hive mold whenever it begins to choke off critique and new ideas.
Originally posted by sty
reply to post by gl2
The problem is (i guess) - how to make a system that cannot be abused ! The perfect financial system that cannot be cheated even by the brightest minds - is this possible? also, as long as interest exists, the private banks would manage to increase their slice from the "eco" resources, points or whatever we decided to consider as currency .
This is a video I like: (the last 15 minutes contains a solution for the banking system)
[edit on 21-9-2008 by sty]
Originally posted by mystiq
Energy can be nearly free if its solar, wind and wave too! From what he says, there is no real free energy. The energy from the void, exists, and is used for advanced purposes. Yet the cost of it is on the clock, or time of the star (our sun for example) and even the clock on the galaxy. So using it in large amounts shortens the actual time we can spend in this solar system, even galaxy, ultimately with too much abuse, universe. The universe is already populated. There is a race that uses or rather abuses its energy and then keeps moving on and collecting other races as low status federation members which allow them to abuse their energy. But in the end, the higher level, more responsive, aliens call a halt at continual expansion. If a lower level group such as ours clocks our solar system, thats it for us. No one will make room as we brought it on ourselves. So alternate energy, not just energy from the vacuum, is needed. We need to be conservative with our use of the free energy and not sign into a federation that merely wishes to come out ahead at our expense.
Edit to add: there has to be a system that (even if it is moneyless or done in a different fashion) has to provide things that people need. Ie. art, art supplies, tools, spinning and weaving, music. In short there are still things needed to provide for the many interests and talents of people.
Originally posted by mystiq
I am a spinner and weaver, and artist. I do this no matter what things can be purchased because its my favorite past-time. Its very creative and helps me unwind. I love creating my own color combinations in yarn. Machines already do these things. Not as well as humans do however!
Originally posted by mystiq
Edit to add: and we would all be training ourselves in psi, telepathy, remote viewing, etc. Once groups became active with this, the wolves in sheep clothing would be easier to spot.
[edit on 22-9-2008 by mystiq]