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Homosexuality Equals Pedophilia.

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posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 03:11 PM
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No it damn well doesn't!

I'm sick of these ignorant,usually religious,idiots who cannot understand the difference.

If someone on ATS or BTS starts a thread on homosexuality you can bet your life some bonehead will make a snide pedophile comment.


A pedophile is a man (usually) who is sexually attracted to a male or female child.To be able to satisfy this attraction fully they force a child into performing/submitting to sexual acts.
Terms such as boy-lover,girl-lover are self-identifications used by some pedophiles,not homosexuals.


A homosexual is a man or a woman who is attracted to someone of the same sex.Sexual acts are performed by 2 consenting adults.


One act is forcing a child into a soul destroying act of rape and sexual abuse.
The other involves a consensual act between adults.


It really isn't that difficult to grasp!






[edit on 19-9-2008 by jakyll]




posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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You are correct, homosexuality doesn't necessarily equal pedophilia. However, If a person is attracted to a child of the same sex, they are gay and a pedophile. Since children are either male or female, and not some seperate sex of their own, people who are attracted to a child who is the same sex as themselves are indeed homosexual pedophiles.



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 11:38 PM
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Oh yeah, this irks me, too. Can I join in on the rant?

Another thing that irks the snot out of me is this argument: if we let gay people marry, then we will have to let people marry goats and dogs.

WHAT??? The logic train derailed at some point in that argument.
it is a hyperbole to the extreme and it p-- me off.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 12:40 AM
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Wow. If someone is actually saying pedophilia = homosexuality (as in definition wise) then that is pretty ignorant indeed. I've never seen anyone say such a thing here, though. What I do see and what you are most likely referring to due to the fact you say you see this most often from the religious is that in some religions pedophilia = sin and homosexuality = sin. So what they're most likely trying to say is that they are both equal in their deity's eyes or according to their religious texts due to the fact they are both described as being sins. As in, pedophilia is just as bad as homosexuality and vice versa but they are differently defined.

That would be my guess, at least. I've never specifically seen anyone actually say homosexuality is pedophilia and pedophilia is homosexuality on a definition level.

[edit on 9/20/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 02:14 PM
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I've never seen this on ATS - but - I have seen it in real life. And its disturbing to see that people are ignorant as to associate the two with eachother as being mutually exclusive.

They are not. A does not guarantee B. B does not guarantee A. A or B can both occur with or without the other. In some cases they can overlap, but it is not ALWAYS the case.

My bestfriend is Gay, and he just came out of the closet about a year ago. It has been hard for him, and sometimes I'm sure he wishes he hadn't of. What broke my heart, was when he told me his friends Mother made them end their friendship because he is Gay. Jeff is 23 and Warren is 18. We were all in Army Cadets together. Warren's mother felt that it was inapropriate for Jeff to be friends with Warren - but only based on the fact that he is Gay. Nevermind, that they had been friends when Warren was 15 and Jeff was 20 - she automatically assumed that since Jeff liked other Men - he liked Boys.

This is not the case - and this is not a good way to think. This is a Blind way to think. Assumptions do one thing - and we know what that is... so why do it?

- Carrot



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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sc2099.



Since children are either male or female, and not some seperate sex of their own, people who are attracted to a child who is the same sex as themselves are indeed homosexual pedophiles.


Pedophiles are attracted to them because they are a child.What sex the child is usually makes little difference.




Alora.

Feel free to rant all you want




Another thing that irks the snot out of me is this argument: if we let gay people marry, then we will have to let people marry goats and dogs.


Wow.I almost feel sorry for people who think like that.




AshleyD and CA_Orot

I've seen it quite a few times on here,the most recent was just before i posted this thread.In fact its what spurned me into doing it.
In the thread,Teach 'the pleasure of gay sex' to children as young as five,an article twisted 1st by the Christian Institute and then by the gutter press;3 members made comments such as,"the pedophiles are taking over."



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 03:27 PM
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My sisters husband is one of 6 boys . Three are homosexual.. three are heterosexual. ( Does that answer anyone's question on whether homosexuality is a choice ???)
Over the years, my family has spent many holidays with my brother in laws brothers and their partners. My nieces were brought up knowing full well that some of their uncles had boyfriends. They are wonderfully well adjusted girls.

My sister and I had our kids 10 yrs apart. When mine came along they were at the same holiday table with the entire family.Uncles and aunts and uncles and uncles. My children think nothing of Uncle Gerard and Uncle John being together . As it should be. ( imo)

My son especially enjoyed Gerard, he took him to the park, rode scooters, was silly and animated and is an all around good guy. My HUSBAND'S family was alarmed that i would allow my young son to spend any quality time with the man. Their blatant ignorance on the difference between pedophiles and homosexuals astounded me. Fast forward 4 years when my mother in law moved in with me and started coming to all holidays with my family. Once she spent time with Gerard and his other brothers ( and their partners) she realized she could not have been more off base. I could not have asked for a better " uncle- in law" for my children. People who discriminate based on sexual orientation are no better than those that discriminate due to skin color or religion. Just my opinion.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 04:14 PM
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Actually you have been in a thread where a Christian very clearly equated homosexuality to pedophilia. Necrophilia too.

I believe the other Christians rationalized for him, using the reasoning you just did; in that it is equally sinful in the eyes of Deity.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll


Pedophiles are attracted to them because they are a child.What sex the child is usually makes little difference.







I would disagree, it totally depends on the person.



posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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I would disagree, it totally depends on the person.


Any serious study on pedophilia will tell you different.
The abuse is referred to as male-male molestation and male-female molestation.

You will find that the distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation.They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults,either men or women.Instead,their sexual attractions focus on children – boys,girls,or children of both sexes.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:22 AM
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I would like to challenge you, my friends who practice such acts, to review the facts…

78% of all male homosexuals either have or had a sexually transmitted disease. 50% have gonorrhea. Homosexuals are 23 times more likely to contract an STD. 2/3 of all AIDS cases are from homosexual activity. How can you actually care about people knowing this, and then go and say that this is just an “alternative lifestyle?” This practice can bring DEATH into an individual’s life. That isn’t my opinion. That’s medical research.

In San Francisco, the disease rate for homosexuals is 22 times higher than anywhere else on the national Average. Lesbians are 14 times more likely to contract syphilis. 4 times more likely to have scabies, and have 3 times the risk for breast cancer. Less than 3% are over the age of 55, and only 1% die of natural causes. (old age) National Average is 42. Average death rate among ALL practicing homosexuals is 50% of the national population.

One writer calls it “biological suicide” since the rectum was not designed to handle sexual activity. During such anal friction the wall is ultimately torn and bruised giving sperm and germs direct access to the blood stream. Since the anal wall is only one cell thick sperm quickly penetrates the wall causing massive immunological damage to the bodies T and B cell defense system. This does not occur during vaginal intercourse because of the multi-layer construction of the vagina.

This is NOT an alternative life style… this is DEATH. Logically, historically, and medically this alternative sexual CHOICE is proven to be destructive. It is not an alternative. WHY?? cause is dangerous! AND it can not cause reproduction, and that is what sex is for, not JUST for fun. This goes without mentioning that most relationships do not last

Historically, I challenge you to look into any civilization that accepted homosexuality as a normal practice. It was just before their demise. This is true NOT just from a Biblical viewpoint. It is true from a HISTORICAL viewpoint.

Another thing, I am not homophobic any more than I am forniphobic. (Fear of people who practice heterosexual acts outside of a marriage covenant.) Fornication is wrong, but I see it as being just as wrong as homosexuality. I don’t hate or look down on homosexuals. I just want them to know the facts, and to know that freedom is available.

I used to be a PRISONER to fornication. If you feel like a prisoner to homosexuality, you can be made free. Follow the link for more information.

Homosexuality: A Medical and Biblical View...



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by apaulo
I would like to challenge you, my friends who practice such acts, to review the facts…

78% of all male homosexuals either have or had a sexually transmitted disease. 50% have gonorrhea. Homosexuals are 23 times more likely to contract an STD. 2/3 of all AIDS cases are from homosexual activity. How can you actually care about people knowing this, and then go and say that this is just an “alternative lifestyle?” This practice can bring DEATH into an individual’s life. That isn’t my opinion. That’s medical research.

In San Francisco, the disease rate for homosexuals is 22 times higher than anywhere else on the national Average. Lesbians are 14 times more likely to contract syphilis. 4 times more likely to have scabies, and have 3 times the risk for breast cancer. Less than 3% are over the age of 55, and only 1% die of natural causes. (old age) National Average is 42. Average death rate among ALL practicing homosexuals is 50% of the national population.


85% of stats/facts are made up by ignorant people to get there ignorant points across

If you didnt make them up, then please provide resources



One writer calls it “biological suicide” since the rectum was not designed to handle sexual activity. During such anal friction the wall is ultimately torn and bruised giving sperm and germs direct access to the blood stream.


Wrong again. The only injuries caused through anal sex, are those that have occured through rape or with lack of education. Ask a doctor



Since the anal wall is only one cell thick sperm quickly penetrates the wall causing massive immunological damage to the bodies T and B cell defense system. This does not occur during vaginal intercourse because of the multi-layer construction of the vagina.


Sigh

Sperm does not have the ability to penetrate the wall of the anus. If the anal wall was so thin, then every time our bodies produced faeces, we would get sick. They are much more unhygienic then sperm is



This is NOT an alternative life style… this is DEATH. Logically, historically, and medically this alternative sexual CHOICE is proven to be destructive. It is not an alternative. WHY?? cause is dangerous! AND it can not cause reproduction, and that is what sex is for, not JUST for fun. This goes without mentioning that most relationships do not last


No its has never been proven.....you arent basing this on fact, you are basing it on your own flawed point of view. Are you religious by any chance?



Another thing, I am not homophobic any more than I am forniphobic. (Fear of people who practice heterosexual acts outside of a marriage covenant.) Fornication is wrong, but I see it as being just as wrong as homosexuality. I don’t hate or look down on homosexuals. I just want them to know the facts, and to know that freedom is available.


You sure couldve fooled me. Maybe you should stop trying to push your ignorant views onto other people. You live by what you believe but leave other peoples choices out of it



I used to be a PRISONER to fornication. If you feel like a prisoner to homosexuality, you can be made free. Follow the link for more information.


[snip] I think you proved the OP's post nicely

And sorry to AshleyD, you know I dont put all religious people in the same group. Its people like this poster that give you guys a bad name

 


removed personal attack.

please read from the T&C's

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[edit on 24/9/08 by masqua]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman




Another thing, I am not homophobic any more than I am forniphobic. (Fear of people who practice heterosexual acts outside of a marriage covenant.) Fornication is wrong, but I see it as being just as wrong as homosexuality. I don’t hate or look down on homosexuals. I just want them to know the facts, and to know that freedom is available.

You sure couldve fooled me. Maybe you should stop trying to push your ignorant views onto other people. You live by what you believe but leave other peoples choices out of it



I'm real sorry if I offended you, friend. You seem to be very emotional concerning the topic, but I can assure you that I truly am your friend. I am not a judge.

Ignorance is not the right word to use to describe me, though. I’d like to encourage you to let down your defense and not ignore the words of those who have experienced something real and supernatural. I was once an atheist who indulged in fornication. Go and learn from those who have experienced the supernatural. I am ashamed of most ChristSTAINs who have words only, but a counterfeit only proves that there is an original and a real.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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Homosexuality Equals Pedophilia?


No my good man. Homosexuals obviously are not attracted to children since they refuse to participate in the only act that produces children.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Alora
Oh yeah, this irks me, too. Can I join in on the rant?

Another thing that irks the snot out of me is this argument: if we let gay people marry, then we will have to let people marry goats and dogs.

WHAT??? The logic train derailed at some point in that argument.
it is a hyperbole to the extreme and it p-- me off.


believe it or not, I heard that same exact argument from a teacher in High School. Luckily, I wasn't in that class, I was sitting out in the hallway for "asking too many questions."



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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78% of all male homosexuals either have or had a sexually transmitted disease. 50% have gonorrhea. Homosexuals are 23 times more likely to contract an STD. 2/3 of all AIDS cases are from homosexual activity. How can you actually care about people knowing this, and then go and say that this is just an “alternative lifestyle?” This practice can bring DEATH into an individual’s life. That isn’t my opinion. That’s medical research.


This surveys are done by people who are biased,usually from a religious point of view.As i just said in another thread,all surveys should be carried out by an impartial group not those with an ulterior motive.Also,if you look at medical studies for hetrosexuals you will see a similarity in results.

Sex of any kind can bring death,in fact,more STD's are passed on between hetrosexual cpl's than with homosexual cpl's.





In San Francisco, the disease rate for homosexuals is 22 times higher than anywhere else on the national Average. Lesbians are 14 times more likely to contract syphilis. 4 times more likely to have scabies, and have 3 times the risk for breast cancer. Less than 3% are over the age of 55, and only 1% die of natural causes. (old age) National Average is 42. Average death rate among ALL practicing homosexuals is 50% of the national population.


Syphilis is a disease passed on when one of the copulating cpl's has a penis,as this isn't a case with lesbians it is gay men who are more at risk.Scabies can be spread by coming into contact with clothing,bedding or towels,not just skin to skin contact.Breast cancer is caused by many,many things and the closest sex comes to it is the use of oral contraceptives,the kind typically used by hetrosexual women.It would appear you need to do more research.






Historically, I challenge you to look into any civilization that accepted homosexuality as a normal practice. It was just before their demise. This is true NOT just from a Biblical viewpoint. It is true from a HISTORICAL viewpoint.


Name one that has fallen because of this.
It is a myth that civilizations or empires have fallen due to a fall in morals etc.The cause is usually a violent conflict.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll
I've seen it quite a few times on here,the most recent was just before i posted this thread.In fact its what spurned me into doing it.
In the thread,Teach 'the pleasure of gay sex' to children as young as five,an article twisted 1st by the Christian Institute and then by the gutter press;3 members made comments such as,"the pedophiles are taking over."


I'm sorry to hear that happened. Yes, there are homosexual pedophiles but that does not mean homosexuality = pedophilia. Pedophiles are both homosexual and heterosexual. The terms shouldn't be used interchangeably. I agree with you there.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by jakyll

Name one that has fallen because of this.
It is a myth that civilizations or empires have fallen due to a fall in morals etc.The cause is usually a violent conflict.


Sodom and Gomorrah

I never said that empires fall due to a fall in morals, but just before a kingdom does fall, the morals fall.

I’ll post the references for my research sometime later…

Point is, if you like the choices you make and do not want to change, I’m not even talking to you. This is for all the other viewers who are reading who feel like they are incapable of change, yet desperately want to.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:01 PM
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Hey. I don't know if this will help you two but here is a thread on 'The Decline of America' but it also investigates former fallen empires and their moral declines prior to their collapse:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by apaulo
I'm real sorry if I offended you, friend. You seem to be very emotional concerning the topic, but I can assure you that I truly am your friend. I am not a judge.


I am emotional as you are thinking that someones sexual preference is a choice. I dont choose to be straight....I just am. I am not in any way attracted to other men, and its not that i choose not to...its just that I cant be.



Ignorance is not the right word to use to describe me, though. I’d like to encourage you to let down your defense and not ignore the words of those who have experienced something real and supernatural. I was once an atheist who indulged in fornication. Go and learn from those who have experienced the supernatural. I am ashamed of most ChristSTAINs who have words only, but a counterfeit only proves that there is an original and a real.


Ignorance is the right word....or maybe I should use self-righteous instead. You put forward your opinions without taking into account the perception of gay people.....claiming that it is something that can be changed, when it is not possible. Sexual preference is not like accepting god, buddha, satan or whoever....it is not a sickness that can treated with antibiotics etc.....it is built into a persons brain, try to understand that



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