Anonymous to target foxnews.com today at 5pm est

reply to post by mmariebored

was it a threat?

what message board was it left on? what was the conversation about?

ever been accused of doing somthing you didnt, someone branded you a trouble maker so you said fine ill make some trouble for you?

same mentality, was someone on there slating the group that isnt anonymous using the faux news propaganda

or did someone just say ahh lets mess with Oprah itll be funny

did someone actually leave that on thier baord or was it just grasping on to the entity that isnt anonymous to make a story

you dont know the context so it becomes a threat

were familiar with the mindset so context doesnt matter where or why it was said, thefact Oprah is saying it and bieng dumb is whats funny

Protip: /b/ is not a personal army, requests like this will most likely get ignored.
Secondly - i read on there earlier that they managed to get into oreilly admin pages of subscribers. Neat what you can do on the internet eh?

Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by mmariebored

 

was it a threat?

what message board was it left on? what was the conversation about?

ever been accused of doing somthing you didnt, someone branded you a trouble maker so you said fine ill make some trouble for you?

same mentality, was someone on there slating the group that isnt anonymous using the faux news propaganda

or did someone just say ahh lets mess with Oprah itll be funny

did someone actually leave that on thier baord or was it just grasping on to the entity that isnt anonymous to make a story

you dont know the context so it becomes a threat

were familiar with the mindset so context doesnt matter where or why it was said, thefact Oprah is saying it and bieng dumb is whats funny

1)Your spelling and grammar sucks. 2)The whole thing, regardless of what you find yourself laughing at, is in poor taste. 3)I DID find it funny when the news guy was announcing "the organized group called 'anonymous' " as fact. I laughed out loud at that. A few times.

All i`m waiting for is the cyber-world equivalent of a false flag operation , i think this Anonymous group are a group of "patsies" in the making .
How hard can it be to infiltrate an anonymous group?

Some online spectacular "event" , a few planes flying blind, perhaps a few billion lost or just something that will look dramatic on T.V .
Hand wringing & hyperbole will follow ........ draconian legislation at the ready ....... thank you and good-night, with the Internet reduced to some enlarged teletext service. !

Of course i make this wild speculative suggestion with no evidence , not even a whiff of proof ........ if i could work in a reptilian angle i may just have the genesis for a post of my own .

All joking aside , i do believe that there are "elements " that would like to rein in some of the freedoms we enjoy online ......any excuse will do , the bigger the better .
It is only a matter of time .

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reply to post by mmariebored


What things shouldn't be joked about and why?

How should people deal with fears? remain afraid? How should we handle our taboos? by pretending they don't exist?

Look on the board today here at ats

The Economy is in colapse,

America is on the brink of maybe multiple new wars

The Mideast is still threatening to nuke themselves to death

Our candidates don't know how to use the Internet and they claim they will fix the Economy

Hundreds of thousands of people claim to have been abducted and no one believes them, ufos are being spotted daily and nothing is disclosed

Multiple cities have been devestated by storms

Women are being raped in the third world and slaughtered by the Hundreds of Thousands

Fake religions whish to rule the world

Meth addicts are everywhere

The economic stats for poverty haven't been raised in 30-40 years

Every one is on some kind of dope

The divorce rate is as high as 80%


and with all this... Gay marriage is a hot topic for this election... They debate Health care when Nations have world killing plauges in test tubes...

And I shouldn't laugh at this when:

17 year olds posting nude pictures of 16 year old girls is considered pedophilla while real Pedophilles are in Office?

When a crank call is taken so seriously teenagers are threatened with life in jail

The govt can look in any computer they want but hacking an e-mail is a felony

It's hysterical how paranoid and retarded our leaders and adults have become

And the reality is... they are all a bunch of paranoid schitzoid dope fiends, utterly immoral, baby killing, pill poping self indulgent greesy pigs that wish to live forever and control how we speak and talk and what we see and what we say

so of course we like shock value because...it means nothing, because we are still sane!!!

You have people who smoked dope thier entire life, talked freedom and peace and love that sold out divorced, were too selfish to have kids but excpect social security, were never around for thier children, mandate thought... Money, greed, money greed has been the mantra 40 years

These people got high through the 60's and 70's then made a ton of money and sold out now take perscription drugs and dose thier children and the air is bad and the water is bad and they ate fast food for 50 years, and took a million chemicals into thier lives

and they are paranoid and stupid and trying to stay young forever but it's all plastic and they are dumb, thier nervous systems are shot, most are boderline psychotic and they run things? Physically via expensive procedures instead of helping thier children they look young...but it's fake

Inside the nervous system is wasted, the mind is corroded and it shows...

we watch this whole election and these kids know as i do thier parents are retarded there is no real respect, the kids they poke fun of are victims and in a way they are trying to help

Did you see that fat soft kid in the vid?

His girlfriend believed he was a fag because someone altered his page or because his paranoid disturbed mom has made him into a fag, I know he has a bike helmet and he never says bad words and he is totally emo and puss and...they are trying to smack him back to life

Kids pranked her house and she is calling the FBI and got a dog and an alarm system and calling Kids terrorists because they are "being mean" to her soft FAT pathetic cheeseburger eating Pu$$ie of a son...who she made that way

Social security? No one is going to Breed with that kid...good luck

With the world falling apart...this generation of moronic pathetic adults...Particularly in Americ, Prosac'd out of thier minds siping cocktails and all ALONE because they were selfish sit at home scared and pretend it's all fine and do Nothing...call the FBI on Kids who are having Laughs at thier expense and don't know how pathetic they have become

They have no idea

What they did to thier nervous system

they have no idea the whole election is running on buzz topics from 1965 when they were young

why?

because they gave up...thier entire life, wasted or work aholics, letting the economy be stolen from them listening to the news and being fed LIES every night being told it was all okay

And it's Not Okay and these kids are trying to tell you it's not okay

So what do you excpect but for them to demand a reaction? they have no parents and the ones that do have parents who...are paranoid, bippolar, schizoid, have no functional relations...are clueless to what is going on in the world

America was the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH

and it's run by pathetic people now

AND NO TOPIC IS OFF LIMITS AND NOTHING IS FREE FROM LAUGHTER BECAUSE IT'S ALL WE HAVE LAUGHTER AND MUSIC

There was a topic this week and it's real about teaching public school kids the pleasure of Gay sex... the generation running things has lost its collective mind...worse it's soul

Why do you think Scientology is target...

PEOPLE RUNNING OUR GOVT AND MEDIA BELIEVE THE VOLCANO ALIENS GIVE THEM POWERS

and your scared of the kids? They are terrorists...

No, it's not too late for them and they know it

You don't even get the dark side of the Joke... Race is made fun of because stereo types are PATHETIC and people who live them deserve it, but no one almost really is actually racist at all...

what planet are these people from? Obama and our leaders...racism as a buzz topic in 2008

LOL because old Black folk remember stupid things and Old White people are afraid of them

But not us lol

Every person who yells racism is a REAL Racist and we all know it... "poor black people" "poor fags" Poor this group"

"we need to understand Islam"

LOL

This is how nuts you all are a culture says it weill exterminate your culture via immigration and cultural change and...you want dialoge with them... "don't call them names"

how scared and pathetic... what an utter lack of any beliefs or spirit... what a lack of pride

What kid won't rebel and use the words when told he has to kiss someones ass?

and Please if I say YOU...it's not you... for you it's just the "some things we don't joke about" I don't know you otherwise...

Just ask yourself... why? why not joke? why not laugh..it's all sick, there is genuine sickness to such a degree

and we watch the pathetic news and debate health care and SS when... we all know...this is a Conspiracy site...we are ALL here to figure out WTF is going on and why is it all so twisted and who is behind it!!!

and when we see things that are stupid we should laugh

Thats HOW you fight Evil... you laugh at it, that's the real way to confront Fear it's to Laugh right in it's face

The whole point of 4chan is chaos. It's unorganised random photos & unorganisted random discussion. It is no organised group, & everyone who posts on the img board is "Anonymous". The person who posted this threat to Fox news, was likely some loser in his moms basement, who discovered some scripts, & wanted some 'lulz' (i.e. LOLZ). It, CLEARLY, was a success, as the threat was all over the news... Slow news day? Trying to detract from real issues?

Jailing these people who post threats on 4chan is idiotic. It's almost baiting. These threats, they will never materialise, they're done for 'lulz', which is why many visit the site. Funny pictures (the purpose of the site) - 'lulz'... Destroying emos Myspace - 'lulz'. Posting shock pictures - 'lulz'. Posting shock threats - 'lulz'. Getting media attention - 'lulz'. Arresting, jailing, and even covering threats on 4chan detract from the REAL issues. War on Terror, anyone? Economy, anyone? Or is the country going to give a crap about a bunch of NERDS on a freaken SPAM FORUM?

For your own sake, and the countries, make all pages, Myspace included, private, with no details on them. If a nerd sees a compromising image of yourself on Myspace, the last thing you want is it and your personal details linked on 4chan where thousands of nerds with too much spare time can see it. All it takes is one nerd to subscribe you to spam links. Another could post gay porn. Another could hijack your email address & send your friends viruses. All of these are relatively easy, and can, have, and would happen for some quick 'lulz'. And then, the media / governement, will be all over it, likely taking away freedom of speach.

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reply to post by mopusvindictus

now thats a rant

owenoes my grammer is bad my spelling sucks how ever will i use ats to showhow great i am for a job interview epic fail

i shall now kill my self and blame you

hahahah shall we all sing the picard song and relax now?

reply to post by mopusvindictus

There are real people out there doing real crimes and very often it's because some people are just too dumb to know that not everything joked about and laughed at is a real-life no-no. Should we just lock these stupid people up as soon as their IQ is discovered or should we stop publicly glorifying topics that could be endorsing the very crimes being joked about?

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I don't think they are ruining a kids life, honestly I think they help a kid like that, seriously.

The pacticular reference would be the kid from the vid a page back...

I'll be honest I was an Uber Nerd IQ 186... I used to pretend I was a dinosaur, i was a Dorkasaurus

and when I wanted a girlfriend and a life I had to get abused...not someone ruining my myspace page...straight to my face HS abuse and... I walked through it and by the end of HS I was ... not a spaz ass anymore.

When should this kid learn how to protect his computer?

When he is 43 and running for Vice president?

No one would think he was a fag if he didn't kind of look like a fag... it's a favor to tell him.

and MOM is all concerned where did she emasculate Dad off too? the other side of the country? She was going to do it alone right? We all know this ladies story... she goes to school everytime her kid gets hit with a spit ball, calls the FBI over prank phone calls

Her son is a big emo fag, the other guys are just doing what any tribe of guys would do anywhere to a guy like him... if he was an eskimo, his Igloo would have ice sculptures of him getting bent over by an Anime Walrus and we all know it...

and it's good because the kid is not Gay... i'm not bashing any group lol...

His girlfriend believed he was Gay because someone posted...it's a wake up call, your girlfriend already thought you were kind of Gay just like everyone else...

whats with this "life ruined" crap anyway..he was what 16, he has time to grow some facial hair and buy a real shirt and make new friends in college

what would he have to do to redeem himself...kick some bullies ass and maybe burn some of that blubber off his arse?

Americans are made fun of as being obese and... we can't tell them? how should it be said to the guy... it's simple can you see your johnson when you pee pal or not?

The kids got to know, now before he is grown in some cubicle somehwere like this for the rest of his life...

Moms calling the FBI but what did she do to his Dad? Where is the guy, I bet he was driven off 9-1 odds... because that is what it is, control freak psycho lady who thought she would get a better prize of a man and that a dad was dispensable

reply to post by mopusvindictus


Your finger-tips must be raw ......after that mega-post .

I can see that our politically correct world , drives you nuts , i share SOME of you frustrations , but, the use of well worn stereo-types are dangerous and quite frankly lazy, whether it be in relation to race religion or any other facet of culture.

For example ;take the following statement
All Irishmen are nothing but drunks ........ unless you have personally meet every Irishman and found them to be drunk, this statement is nothing but naked racism .
( Mod-disclaimer/ I am an Irishman )


Honesty is fine but be specific,just don`t generalise. Its lazy.

For example ; UmbraSumus is nothing but a lazy drunk Irishman ...bingo
(Note to Mod / Self depreciating humour )

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reply to post by mopusvindictus


Lulz.

I edited the post, it may of been changed from what you replied to.... sorry. Anyway, you're likely correct. But still, what happens they get details of someone who doesn't deserve it?

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reply to post by mmariebored


Yeah there are real people doing real crimes

EXACTLY

More people will be murdered by street thugs than soldiers die in Iraq this year, a few Million Americans will be mugged and raped

There are REAL child sex rings and genuine perverts in the world...

some of them are in washington

THATS WHY IT'S FUNNY

Nambla is allowed to exist but 19 year old Boys can go to jail for looking at 17 year old girls

There are sex rings that F Babies and the FBI is concerned about teen age girls who Willing send out images of themselves naked and a Man can get in trouble for looking at a girl who biologically is fertile and able to bear children

Black people cry racism but Black on White crime is 20 x the ratio of White to Black just go to the DOJ website

They can listen to everything we do...the sheriffs dept is getting military spy satellites maybe... to watch us from orbit to see if we get high but our politicians help import Blow from Columbia and have a war going whos main economic benefit is heroin from Afghnastan

We are fighting Islam but Scientologists run the Media

To NOT laugh at it is to accept it...

and it's all corrupt and insane and retarded already

Kids get in trouble for smoking weed and playing Nintendo and Methamphetamine is rampant

We are fighting a war on terror and people mostly believe our govt is behind it and are probably right



These kids are standing up and pointing and laughing

People like Oprah would silence them and call them pedophilles...

But they are the only ones DOING anything about it... maybe the only ones that can clearly see the TRUTH

You can't se how Oprahs words and reactions and what anon really is... and how it is an utter reflection on the war on terror? the war on drugs? The war on America from within?

You can tell me you don't see the POETRY in this kind of response and what the truth is and what the Joke actually IS?

Originally posted by mmariebored
There are real people out there doing real crimes and very often it's because some people are just too dumb to know that not everything joked about and laughed at is a real-life no-no. Should we just lock these stupid people up as soon as their IQ is discovered or should we stop publicly glorifying topics that could be endorsing the very crimes being joked about?

wait what how does that make sense?

real people do real crimes because other people dont know they are crimes? and they laugh about them?

arnt the people doing the crimes doing them dispite others knowing/not knowing the crimes

if i rob banks i do it becasue i see it as a way to make possible large sums of money in a short period of time. i do it for the money or becasue i rnjoy robbing banks its got nothing to do with what someone ive never met thinks

who's IQ? the people laughing or the people comiting the crime? what happens if they have a higher then average IQ? or should we only lock up the dumb ones? should we lock up everyone with a low IQ? should we stop them from procreating? how far shall we take this? shall we do it to people with dark skin also? how about religeon shall we pick one of those?

now your gonna tell me im twisting your statement i say no im just taking your words down the slippery slope they point too

Freedom is a double-edged sword .

Total, absolute, unadulterated freedom, could only truly be experienced by mature, enlightened , tolerant, will rounded human being , i fear this is at worst a fantasy , at best several thousand years into our future.
That is, if we manage to survive long enough to learn about ourselves and others along the way.

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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by mmariebored

 

You can tell me you don't see the POETRY in this kind of response and what the truth is and what the Joke actually IS?

Beautify it all you want(damn, you type fast) but I still believe some things shouldn't be made light of and sending a message to Oprah that children will be raped is in poor taste and should not be made into a gigantic joke.

reply to post by C0bzz


Deserve?

Things in life are only a punishment if you let them or make them into one.

The reaction creates the steam

and ... people who can laugh at themselves and others who can change or apologize or admit, don't... no CAN'T really suffer this sort of thing

What are the real world results of a myspace page brutalization?

"my friends all got sent spam"

so what are they not his friends any more? Nice friends lol

your house got pranked?

I got pranked when I was a teenager and... i dealt with it cool and it stoped, I saw the humor in it...

Palins e-mail was hacked

haven't heard a word from her...

Oprah gets on... and reacts like a total ass...

now there are a million images and you tube vids and posts in forums

Palin just won votes maybe

Oprah is a tool for years to come... in the eyes of Millions


In studies they have found certain people with certain body language and mannerisms always get mugged or picked on, others Never

so the truth is there is Causation from the victim (doesn't make it right)

But the thing to do if your a victim perpetually is ask yourself why

It applies to everything

Islam hates America

Whats the complaint, we are immoral, arrogant, decadent, disrespectful and mostly immoral

and is it True or not?

You want the war with Islam to end...respect thier modesty in regards to women... or don't fight them over it... one or the other

But listen to the attack because it comes from truth.

That kid is being called a big emofag

how does it end... don't be a big emofag and let your mom call the fbi and go on the news and make a jerkoff out of you

don't go on and post and wehine about it...

there is nothing to attack if there is nothing to attack

Deserve? Such a hard word... everyone has the right to be who they are, but these raids come to people who... suck

the words never forgive, never forget aren't true...

I'd bet of lets say Hal Turner got on the air and apologized for some of his Nazi views..it would end

If Cha Cha paid it's employees it would relent

If ..lets say a girl whos art sucked on deviant art... would just say "i'm learning" no one would bother her

If Scientology, stoped sueing people and got rid of the tax exempt status it would stop...

I think the big issue is LIES, a frustration over peole who lie, from being lied to constantly and the younger kids are after liars on myspace or those who totally front or... try and be Internet celebrities

What did that kid DO... is what I have to ask? He's on the net with his 90 friends and.. what did he do or say or pretend to be?

He put himself out there ... I dont know how in his case but somehow I know he f'd up royally lol

and now...as some like myself are older...

(i'm an animator) started my first computer business on a C64 copying games for kids in Public school on a Tape deck in the early 80's, I'm around from day 1...

now it's political, If some kid back them took a game I hacked and claimed it...there was no net really yet, but it was abuse world... and I was a dork but I had fist fights over that stuff, I broke a kids nose with my Dungeon Masters guide once Over reselling my Montezumas revenge copy as his own

and for me it's all about the lies and bs... and it's political now, you grow up learning how to...find any information you want and you figure out what is BS and what isn't...

get a sense for it

That kid in the vid... don't know what he said or did... but he did something

Guy walking down the street mugged every year or so, what does he do? does he always look down and away when he sees Black guys coming or what? Know what I mean?

but that

and the reaction... mom cal;ls the FBI... that's good for oh, 15,000 more phone calls, I mean that's friggin great... I'm a grown man and that's funny as hell

I don't know that undeserved happens all that much

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by mmariebored
There are real people out there doing real crimes and very often it's because some people are just too dumb to know that not everything joked about and laughed at is a real-life no-no. Should we just lock these stupid people up as soon as their IQ is discovered or should we stop publicly glorifying topics that could be endorsing the very crimes being joked about?

wait what how does that make sense?

real people do real crimes because other people dont know they are crimes? and they laugh about them?

arnt the people doing the crimes doing them dispite others knowing/not knowing the crimes

if i rob banks i do it becasue i see it as a way to make possible large sums of money in a short period of time. i do it for the money or becasue i rnjoy robbing banks its got nothing to do with what someone ive never met thinks

who's IQ? the people laughing or the people comiting the crime? what happens if they have a higher then average IQ? or should we only lock up the dumb ones? should we lock up everyone with a low IQ? should we stop them from procreating? how far shall we take this? shall we do it to people with dark skin also? how about religeon shall we pick one of those?

now your gonna tell me im twisting your statement i say no im just taking your words down the slippery slope they point too

I won't tell you you're twisting my words, you already knew you did..

You know damn well I was saying we shouldn't promote things, even in jest, that could be taken seriously by someone who isn't intelligent enough to know the "joke" is of something wrong and immoral.

reply to post by mmariebored



why drag it into the light when we can hide it out of sight, why make it something to laugh and scorn when we can fear it

why not use Oprah as a means to pour scorn on Fox and thier propaganda, make it a living meme

we can laugh at fox, and now laugh at oprah, they take thier selves to serious anyway

how to destroy a stereotype, ignore and hide it away? for the racists to pull out later? or make it so rediculous that what it becomes cannot be used for its old purpose of insult

your right lets not joke about it lets hide it away like it doesnt exist then when it rears its ugly head we can all be afraid and in shock then go back to our ignorance again

reply to post by mmariebored


The joke isn't the rape... The statement is Absurd

The joke is only in slight part the 9,000 reference from dragon ball z that's just an inside goof

The real joke is that Oprah, lives in a world where she concieves with adamant belief on a simple message that, there are 9,000 Anonymus terrorists ready to rape children

The joke is her world view

Anyone would know.. instantly, that was in touch with reality, that it was a moronic prank, you might not get the reference, you might not know the group...

But, all she had to do was mention this to an intern or two and she would have been filled in

The joke is the predictability of her and scientolgist tom Cruise and ROFL Fox News and... the way they BS everyone and dramatize everything, and the reality that they believe it

They are so far removed from where the real threats lie that they jump and shadows and live in such a strange paranoid world... she can actually go for this



and it's interesting, because... alot of people who weren't raised on computers can't process information very fast.

There is something very, very important in all of this.

In intelligence failures in a global world, the risk of false flags and being able to pull of a 9-11

alot of people can't decipher the complexity and amount of information coming at them and it has them really rattled and scared

but probably, for no real reason at all

I think it is very important that in this next election (not nov) 2012... Americas youth (my age bracket really) stops slacking and steps up

Because I don't know that all of it... everything we are going through isn't kind of like the way kids learn a language fast but adults can never fully pick up a new language

alot of our problems show through in this...and it's very interesting, Computers have changed everything, there is so much information now, I don't know if you weren't raised to be able to understand and decipher it quickly that you ever can...be equiped for the new world properly

You have to bear in mind, the Kids who are the crudest are after all kids still, kids with alot of skill that can run circles around adults who think they are smarter

This should just be taken with a grain of salt for what it is...the lower end of it, nothing that wasn't on ever corner of teens in America always from bullying to social status and ranking... it just is on display now



But methinks... a dialouge needs to be opened with this generation if you want to save America... because they are the only ones who can do it

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by mmariebored

 

The joke isn't the rape... The statement is Absurd

The joke is only in slight part the 9,000 reference from dragon ball z that's just an inside goof

The real joke is that Oprah, lives in a world where she concieves with adamant belief on a simple message that, there are 9,000 Anonymus terrorists ready to rape children

The joke is her world view

Anyone would know.. instantly, that was in touch with reality, that it was a moronic prank, you might not get the reference, you might not know the group...

But, all she had to do was mention this to an intern or two and she would have been filled in

The joke is the predictability of her and scientolgist tom Cruise and ROFL Fox News and... the way they BS everyone and dramatize everything, and the reality that they believe it

I DID get that part of the humor from the very beginning, as I watched the look of horror on her face and the way she choked up when she mentioned the children, I thought of what the prankster must be thinking at this moment...I got the joke. You underestimate people's ability to think multidimensionally or from more than one perspective, apparently.

They are so far removed from where the real threats lie that they jump and shadows and live in such a strange paranoid world... she can actually go for this

Again, you assume other people, people besides you, to be paranoid scaredycats.

and it's interesting, because... alot of people who weren't raised on computers can't process information very fast.

Another assumption. Perhaps people are multitasking around children, chores, artwork, starving pets, filing their nails and daydreaming etc., while "processing" your long rant.
I do agree that people who read process information faster, though, faster than people who sit and watch TV.

There is something very, very important in all of this.

In intelligence failures in a global world, the risk of false flags and being able to pull of a 9-11

alot of people can't decipher the complexity and amount of information coming at them and it has them really rattled and scared

but probably, for no real reason at all

I think it is very important that in this next election (not nov) 2012... Americas youth (my age bracket really) stops slacking and steps up

Because I don't know that all of it... everything we are going through isn't kind of like the way kids learn a language fast but adults can never fully pick up a new language

alot of our problems show through in this...and it's very interesting, Computers have changed everything, there is so much information now, I don't know if you weren't raised to be able to understand and decipher it quickly that you ever can...be equiped for the new world properly

You have to bear in mind, the Kids who are the crudest are after all kids still, kids with alot of skill that can run circles around adults who think they are smarter

This should just be taken with a grain of salt for what it is...the lower end of it, nothing that wasn't on ever corner of teens in America always from bullying to social status and ranking... it just is on display now



But methinks... a dialouge needs to be opened with this generation if you want to save America... because they are the only ones who can do it

My kids and I have great communication and, yes, they can run circles around me. But as smart as they think they are, there's a certain wisdom you can't gather from books or the computer, it comes with maturity and some years behind you. I know, I didn't believe it either when I was 18.