Anonymous to target foxnews.com today at 5pm est

Hey they have all rights to do what they have to do. Frankly Im routing for them. In a society where the small man does not have a word and cannot defend themselves this is their way to get their word out. Ill be tuning in closely.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by mybigunit]

Originally posted by spookjr
reply to post by FiatLux

 

This is a damn good way to protest and revolt PEACEFULLY

Oh really? You do realize that the term "peacefull" doesn't just mean not physically violent, don't you? It means you're not forcing yourself onto anyone via your protest. A good example of a peaceful protest would be gathering in a public place for a candlelight vigil. By hacking a network and causing a massive disruption to that server's traffic & destroying that network's abillity to provide service, they are leaving any realm of "peaceful" protest and entering the realm of attacks & domestic cyberterrorism. Personally, I hope & pray that every single one of them involved gets the book thrown at them because it is pieces of crap like them that make people scared to death of doing buisness over the internet. It is also people like them that provide the impetus for additional government regulation & oversight of the internet, which does lead to restriction of our freedoms.

Alright time to clear up this mess.
I've been a fairly active visitor to 4chan for at least two years. Think what you will about that, I'm here to clarify the subject, not to be judged.

Anonymous doesn't actually exist in any tangible sense. Most of the people who were involved in the Scientology foray were never really part of originating group. They have since splintered entirely and are completely loathed by the new Anonymous. Anonymous doesn't "target" and "execute" raids. What happens is someone comes up with an idea, if enough people like it, it takes on a life of its own and whoever happens to hear about it can contribute whatever they like. This means there is almost zero coordination, direction, cohesion, etc. Generally the "raids" consist of handful of people gathering information, mostly by legal means, occasionally by illegal means. This RARELY involves hacking.

Having been there for two years, I can tell you that 95% of visitors have only slightly advanced computer knowledge. Most don't participate in the raids at all. The main tool is the DDoS attack. DDoD stands for Distributed Denial of Service. It is not hacking. For a poor analogy, it is like creating artificial traffic on a two way road. Simple scripts executed on the attackers' machines or on remote servers if they are a little more intelligent simply flood the webservers of whoever with requests, which blocks regular traffic and puts a huge load on the server, slowing it to a crawl. The DDoS in and of it itself is NOT hacking. It can be done by anyone with an internet connection.

Those of you expressing concern over the effects for the broader community of internet users, you must remember that Anonymous describes itself as an internet hate machine, the only constant goal it has is to f**k with people in any way possible. They follow the mantra of "because we can", there is no real goal, only chaos.

Like I said, most visitors to 4chan and similar sites and groups have nothing to do with these attacks. It is a free for all, anyone who wants to participate need only their own willingness to do so.

Also, 4chan does not "peddle" child porn. It is posted occasionally to create shock value and perpetuate the myth that its users are really bold and daring people and this only occurs on one board.

There are raid proposals literally all the time on any of the various sites. Only a few, very few, ever materialize, and it is totally at the whim of those who happen to hear about it.

reply to post by mybigunit


They do? Does that mean I also have a right to cut your company's phone line anytime I feel like it, regardless of whatever important business calls you may be expecting? If you run a hotdog cart, do I have a right to squirt superglue along the little door that allows you to open the cart, reach in, and gather up a dog for a customer, thereby preventing you from selling any hotdogs? If you're an undertaker for a living, does that mean I'm within my rights to come along and fill in a grave you've just spent the morning digging before the casket has been placed in the hole?

Nobody has the right to disrupt another's business unless that business is illegal or restricting their rights, neither of which is appropriate to claim in this case.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by mybigunit

 

Nobody has the right to disrupt another's business unless that business is ... restricting their rights, ...

So We the People should be disrupting the United States Government?

I hope every time Bill O'Reilley opens his mouth.....Someone puts a foot in his @$#! He definitely deserves it along with the rest of the Donna Fi-douches over at Faux News!

reply to post by FiatLux

the beauty of Anonymous is they are unbeatable.

I'm a proud patriotic American... But I know that if my government was stupid enough to try this organization, lets just say the SHTF a lot quicker in a computerized age.

People need to realize that our country is run by computers.

If some idiot in England can Hack NASA on dial-up; Imagine what an organized group of hackers with access to wi-fi and DSL can do.

No, I'm not a member... But I'd like to be.

ohhh... I just realized something... A lot of these folks could be l33t(or however they spell it) 2600.

Sounds goofy. Til they're in your computer...

Originally posted by mattifikation
Eh.

I've looked at 4chan a few times. Half the message board was dedicated to pornography and hentai. "Child" or not, that still tells you something about the lives those guys are really living.

Something about this leaves me questioning your life.

Originally posted by mattifikationThey seem to forget that Fox News is the propaganda arm that paved the way for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and the reelection of a massively unpopular President.

And if News Corporation loses on that front, Fox could bring the entire free nature of the Internet under propagandist attack. Odds are, they've been waiting this whole time for some group like Anon to give them an excuse. Anonymous is playing with the big dogs now. Do they really want to get owned by this old prune?


Unlike Scientology, lolcats, and Habbo Hotel, Fox has the manpower and influence to have their protesters literally slammed face first into the pavement and arrested for "disturbing the peace" and various other made up crimes. Fox has the clout to have the FBI raiding 4chan's servers and setting up sting operations to put them all behind bars. They literally are "the powers that be." If they value their porn den, Anonymous will sit this one out.

Fox's clout is limited to the amount of damage they can take, and if they resort to demanding that local bully-boys "Slam people in the face and arrrest them for disturbing the peace" then the Bully-boys will have to understand one thing and one thing only. They are outnumbered, out-trained and out-teched. Besides that old prune is gonna die real soon anyway.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by mybigunit

 

They do? Does that mean I also have a right to cut your company's phone line anytime I feel like it, regardless of whatever important business calls you may be expecting? If you run a hotdog cart, do I have a right to squirt superglue along the little door that allows you to open the cart, reach in, and gather up a dog for a customer, thereby preventing you from selling any hotdogs? If you're an undertaker for a living, does that mean I'm within my rights to come along and fill in a grave you've just spent the morning digging before the casket has been placed in the hole?

Nobody has the right to disrupt another's business unless that business is illegal or restricting their rights, neither of which is appropriate to claim in this case.

It depends. If I was smearing you into the ground then yeah I would think a little revenge would be called for. You see the media can smear whoever they want on baseless claims and Im not even talking about this site Im talking about MANY people who are smeared and guilty before innocent. It ruins peoples lives and then when the truth comes out you may see a fast apology and that is it. Still doesnt change the several days and or weeks sometimes of the smearing. I like to use the Texas religious sect who was raided and then smeared for weeks saying stuff like 50 12 year olds were pregnant and crap like that trying to burn these guys. Well we all see how that turned out and how many apologies did u see by the media? Your analogy is not the same as this case here. Sorry.

Originally posted by mattifikation
They seem to forget that Fox News is the propaganda arm that paved the way for the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, and the reelection of a massively unpopular President.

What a crock!

I do believe that picking on Fox News could be a big mistake.

Fox may not be a propaganda arm of the government, but they are powerful and they have plenty of lawyers--more lawyers than any news organization that I've ever heard of, in fact.

Internet thugs have been brought down before and it will likely happen again.

[edit on 2008/9/19 by GradyPhilpott]

reply to post by Grailkeeper



en.wikipedia.org...(group) - about Anonymous

en.wikipedia.org... - about 4chan



[edit on 19-9-2008 by Hakii]

The chans are getting played for an ulterior motive. Although it's hell funny Faux are just the bait.

I wonder if Murdoch supports net neutraility.

Originally posted by coven
reply to post by FiatLux

 

ohhh... I just realized something... A lot of these folks could be l33t(or however they spell it) 2600.

It's actually 1337 or H4X0RS

They are bound to get caught

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I do believe that picking on Fox News could be a big mistake.

Fox may not be a propaganda arm of the government, but they are powerful and they have plenty of lawyers--more lawyers than any news organization that I've ever heard of, in fact.

I dont think Anonymous is scared of lawyers. It seems they got their training with (harassing) Scientology in regards to that.

Good i hope they raid fox news. O'Reilly is such a arrogant fool. He needs to understand he has alot less power and control then he has convinced himself that he has.

If your going threaten people and not no the facts he will be held responsibe. In todays society this is the only way toa ccomplish this.

This isn't the first time Fox has smeared the name of Anonymous... they were calling them everything from a cult to a terrorist organization when they started going after Scientology.

This is just going to be a big escalation in the feud between them.

After they knock down Fox, Fox is going to make another biased news report about them being attacked unprovoked by Anonymous. Anonymous will attack them again, Fox will report that several anons have been arrested by the FBI.... they get hit back even harder. I can see this one going on for a while.

I hate to see people throw the name around like its a common word. Maybe in the past there were rules. RULES 1 and 2. We have been around forever, and now since something happened, everyone is breaking the rules. Can't they just leave this alone. And just say Anon, and not tell the world about the website.

Oh well, there are other places I can go.

But yeah, /b/ I have seen alot of raid threads is what we call em. Now most of the threads that are posted, are for various chat rooms and website forums. Some of them happen because people are bored and want something to do, other times, its because someone got banned and they think they need revenge. But most of the time the things never go down.

So to the people who are reading this, nothing will happen. And if people from Fox News are reading this, you guys are putting way to much stuff on /b/. /b/ is a image message board for crying out loud. Its not ORGANIZED as you want to make it out to be.

So, the date and time of this "attack" has been widely advertised and disseminated across the internet community, right? Why do that?

So, what is everyone going to do at the appointed time? Why, start hitting foxnews.com to see if it has been attacked, of course! That's the "attack": Clogging the server with people just there to witness the advertised attack. No need to setup your own DDoS attack when you can have the masses do it for you.

Interesting piece of social engineering if it works.

Originally posted by IAttackPeople
So, the date and time of this "attack" has been widely advertised and disseminated across the internet community, right? Why do that?

So, what is everyone going to do at the appointed time? Why, start hitting foxnews.com to see if it has been attacked, of course! That's the "attack": Clogging the server with people just there to witness the advertised attack. No need to setup your own DDoS attack when you can have the masses do it for you.

Interesting piece of social engineering if it works.

I just thought of the same thing, when I went to go see if foxnews.com was still up at this point even haha. Genius.


Harvestfreak, Rules 1 & 2 only apply to members of Anon and 'the site', don't they? Although yes it's safe to say that the guy who posted the article is probably familiar with the site, or someone from on the site leaked it out to him. /b/ has gone mainstream pretty much, that means the "Disney crowd" is in there now... kind of hard to keep a code of silence when you've got 12 year olds trying to be cool. It's not like someone couldn't just search "Anonymous Scientology" or "/b/" and find it for themself nowadays anyway.

[edit on 9/19/2008 by Yarcofin]