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posted on Sep, 18 2008 @ 08:48 PM
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Vatican is in with the global elite
TextThe Pope said, “ dignity never abandons the sick person”! Wish I could go back in time and tell that to my then dyeing wife! Cancer is an un-dignified passing, and I’m sure many on ATS have been affected in some way through friends family and such.This was a reply to a post in above top secret but I think it needs to be addressed here where it will be talked about, hopefully, in a different way.

The Pope said, “ dignity never abandons the sick person”! Wish I could go back in time and tell that to my then dyeing wife! Cancer is an un-dignified passing, and I’m sure many on ATS have been affected in some way through friends family and such.

Then, in recent times, the ‘Vatican’ decided that limbo did no longer exist! New parents can bury, unfortunately, their un-baptised children and feel that the child is in heaven. My parents had to wait 50 years for this to come while worrying about the loss of their 1st born boy who, to them has been hovering in limbo the last 50 years.

Now suicide! The great sin. I had a very close cousin who committed this dastardly deed 25 years ago. The family had to fight to have him buried in the family grave because of this. Now the Holy See, basically says, unless it was a blatant act of, ‘ I,m gonna kill myself for to see what happens next ‘ it must be OK. IE, depression etc.

Recently the Vatican have been changing things in the catholic belief system. It says that it’s a sin to change the word of the lord and the bible (written word), but for centuries popes have been re-writing the bible. Not more so than recently. This also makes me wonder what is going on at the minute in the world with the given situation on the globe.

It seems the Holy see are trying to change a few of the ancient rules in the hope that they will turn around the dwindling membership and keep the members they have, and hopefully ad to the coffers (money.

By the way!!!! Maybe I,m wrong but did I see somewhere that there is a new commandment added to the 10! Its now a sin to gain excessive wealth!

What can I say, that coming from probably the most wealthy and darkest secretive state in Europe, or maybe the globe! I’m was catholic I’m now Christian or maybe more of a spiritual person. Why? The changing parameters of the Vatican is why.

I’m AM knocking the Vatican but definitely not catholics, Christians or any other religion or person in this. We, to me are all the same in this world.

Hope I can provoke a good discussion

Albert Fothergill




posted on Sep, 18 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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The Vatican are nothing but hypocrites. "God says you can't have excessive wealth, but we can launder money for the mafia!" Honestly, I made it my life's goal to follow the same path as them but do thing very differently.



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 04:47 AM
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Hello Equinox99. Your last sentence is great!

Dont know what you think, but why are the church suddenly saying aliens are brothers? Do you beleive some of the stories which have been passing around about the Vatican and alien disclosure. It sounds like its going that way.

I was reading a thread posted in January about the Fatima apparitions and that it may have been an alien experience and not 'Mary'. I will try find the thread if you would like to read it.

Also after reading much on the subject it seems the Jesuits are the shadow leaders behind the Vatican cloak!

Albert



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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The Church, as an Institution, is, and always has been from the very first momment, a farce. A collection of plagiarism from ancient religions and stories to keep the masses under control as a countryman handles his sheeple. Constantly promoting stupidity and total blindness among the masses. In name of a so called "God" figure, that is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipowerful, and is always watching how much you worship him.

"Religion is the opium of the people" as Karl Marxx once said.

[edit on 19-9-2008 by Toorop]



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 08:24 AM
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here we are friends...

I unmask to you the ruler of the world.

I could have posted this earlier but ... no-one asked me.

www.jesuit.org...

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Godspeed,peace and I am NOT a Terrorist.

sleep well,sleep deep and then AWAKE.

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[edit on 19/9/08 by ROO-meh]



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 02:05 PM
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Uh this is sad, you guys really have much to learn, much to learn before spuing this type of info and judging everybody to step foot in the vatican.


first of all toorop

" Religion is the opium of the people "

BS. True religion is the peace of the world, what Christ actually tuaght and if people would actually fallow what he taught no war would exist.

If religion is gone then would communism not be the opium of the people? Of course it would, it would replace your accusation on the church and put it on communism since they would still create WW3 and nuke the whole planet.

Marx is an idiot. A true non thinkin human being that doesn't even realize what he said with that qoute.

God to me is real and to billions, not by force but by choice. We choose to believe in Christ and his miracles.



Now as for the vatican. It has been infested with freemasons and they have infested the council since V2 and even before this. The popes since then have been to my knowledge, ALL freemasons from Paul Vl to benedict XVl. Vatican ll have changed our church around and have basically destroyed our faith with its fruits and they have modernized it with the world. Freemasons talked about over 100 years ago of infiltrating the church and making use of it in the end times to bring about the

" one world order "

Under antichrist and human dignity. This is where we are at. They destroyed the mass and it will continue until God rebuilds the church, cleans the earth out and creates many new saints like the ones of old in the time that is to come in the near future.

I don't know about how much wealth they have or have had before V2, all I know is that God founded a catholic church 1500 years before protestantism was even born. What the money at my church goes to when they pass the collection plate around they use for good and for the rebuilding of the churches and poor people.

You guys cannot read hearts so don't be so fast to judge people in the vatican.


peace.



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 02:37 PM
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Father Adolfo Nicolás
Father General
30th Superior General of the Society of Jesus (January 19, 2008 to present)


yes there are genuinely good people in all walks of life

pity the likes of Father Adolfo Nicolás was never sent to the vatican

and show them how its really done!!



posted on Sep, 19 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Kind of a protection racket. Back when the church was new, they were persecuted. If a ruler comes along and offers protection, as long as you conform to his rules, then the Bishops were ready to sign up.
I have to respect the ones who walked out of the first Council, as soon as they realized it was stacked against them.
True Christians have to live with the idea of being persecuted. If everything seems fine and the world leaders are happy with you, you need to worry.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 07:45 PM
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Hello toorop

thanks and respect for your reply. Only I,m not knocking christian belief in God, Jesus or Mary and Joseph! Just the vatican. Maybe I should have mentioned that my recent visit, (three years ago), I just felt nothing christian or spiritual and had a feeling of cloaks and daggers.

Now I know you gonna say that i,m gonna get that feeling from a place like that, ( maybe not), but I have been, since a child very aware of such feelings.

I agree the church is a farce and an institution and also a money making organisation.

I do beleive in God but not the MEN that run the old vatican.

Thanks again,

Albert



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:01 PM
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Hello JM

I agree with your reply! I wonder how many people would be eating now also, if the vatican showed unconditional love and gave all they had to feed the hungry.

They are filthy rich and its now a sin to accumalate wealth..............that means put it in the plate on Sunday during mass i think.

When you said protection racket.............I have two cousins who went to confession and told their sins. One, got a load of prayers to say, the other got away scot free. The latter of my cousins offered five pounds and got forgivness. That was years ago and since then Tommy aint been in a church unless for hatches, matches and despatches. He was and still is disgusted our cous was able to buy his way out of penance.

These guys are in their 50s and brought up Irish catholics.

Money Money Money!



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:05 PM
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Hello ROO-meh

I,ll check out your link seems like meremortal already has.

Thanks very much

Albert



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Here's a good video about what the 'holy' church is about;


It's no where NEAR as good as the book and yes, I believe there are countless
millions in the church who are true followers of Jesus, but the inquisitions, the crusades and the dogmas are all the fruit of a bad(Babylonian) tree.



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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You guys are unbelievable. First of all paying money to pay sin is wrong. Any preist who does this is not a true one.

secondly the money in the collection plate goes to orginizations and homeless shelters because my friend is a sacristine in the latin rite and he knows where the money goes/


thirdly, like I said Jesus created one church. Not two, not three. before 1500 ( you guys ignore the facts) no other church existed except catholic and the orthodox which are Catholic except the pope issue.

This church has produced 100s of saints like st gemma and 100s of miracles. Just because the head (vatican) might be hypocrites doesn't mean the chufrch is false because it produces humble poor saints yearly.

this is a fact, but you see you keep attacking it because you are not in it and you have to.


peace.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by JesusisTruth]



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 04:52 AM
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Dave Hunt is a Vatican agent.
His book if full of lies.
It confuses things about who exactly is going to be the ultimate anti-Christ.



posted on Sep, 23 2008 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
Dave Hunt is a Vatican agent.
His book if full of lies.
It confuses things about who exactly is going to be the ultimate anti-Christ.


How so???
If he's from the vatican, he is an ex-catholic,
how does it help their cause to go against them and what was wrong in his book???
Everything I've looked at has checked out.



posted on Sep, 24 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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My friend is someone who devotes his life to finding out who are the agents of the Vatican. He told me that this author was one and I take his word for it.
I have not read the book, just looked at the videos.
How do you explain what is wrong with it when every single word is deceptive. It twists things around to guide the listener to a false conclusion.
There is no value to this book or video and should be avoided by anyone who actually wants to understand the Bible. If you want to be deceived and go to Hell, I recommend reading the book.



posted on Sep, 26 2008 @ 08:53 PM
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My number one:

That vatican does not give some of their billions to the starving people on the planet!

Number one:

the vatican does not give some of their billions to the starving people on the planet.

Need i SAY MORE!

And they dont!

A new sin is NOT TO ACCUMALATE MASS WEALTH! What does the Catholic church have................................mass wealth. Its all mad!

Hope this aint against the ats rules





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