Evolution Cannot be Proven, page 1
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Topic started on 18-9-2008 @ 05:58 PM by the_watcher
Isn't science a wonderful thing? Anyone who rejects science of any kind; Biology, Chemistry, Genetics, Astronomy, etc. is rejecting knowledge. Ignorance is not bliss, and anyone who believes it is can simply continue to be ignorant. No skin off my nose.

There is a common misconception that Intellignt Design (ID) is not science. Those who believe in evolution would call the idea pseudoscience, and dismiss it without a second thought. In fact ID is just as scientific as Evolution, and I'll explain why very briefly.

To believe in Intelligent Design one has begin with the belief that God created the heavens and the earth; and proceeded to fill his creation with plants, animals, etc.. On the other hand, to believe in Evolution one has to begin with the belief that the heavens and earth were created by the big bang, and all the life on this planet evolved over millions of years. Both of these beliefs are presupositions, and can actually not be tested and proven. (I'm sure Evolutionists are thinking I've completely worng when it comes to proving Evolution, but stick with me here. I'm not done.)

In order to show Evolution cannot be proven let's take a look at an experiment started in the late 20th Cetury that seems to prove Evolution, and I will show how it actually favors ID. I will also ask an Evolutionist to scientifically prove me wrong. (I bet the Evolutionists will love ripping into me. Have at it!)

E. Coli Evolve in the Lab
www.newscientist.com...

In this experiment 12 cultures of E. Coli were grown in a lab. Each culture medium was comprised of mostly citrate, which E. Coli cannot metabolize, and a little gluclose. Over 40,000 generations were grown and at the 31,500th generation E. Coli learned to metabolize citrate.

This proves Evolution, right? Wrong. What happened here was that the layman was fooled into thinking E. Coli cannot metabolize citrate when indeed it can. Science began with the assumption Evolution is real, and proceeded to fool you all into thinking the assuption is correct when it is not.

Source:
creationontheweb.com...

So what happened? It is not yet clear from the published information, but a likely scenario is that mutations jammed the regulation of this operon so that the bacteria produce citrate transporter regardless of the oxidative state of the bacterium’s environment (that is, it is permanently switched on). This can be likened to having a light that switches on when the sun goes down—a sensor detects the lack of light and turns the light on. A fault in the sensor could result in the light being on all the time. That is the sort of change we are talking about.

Another possibility is that an existing transporter gene, such as the one that normally takes up tartrate, which does not normally transport citrate, mutated such that it lost specificity and could then transport citrate into the cell. Such a loss of specificity is also an expected outcome of random mutations. A loss of specificity equals a loss of information, but evolution is supposed to account for the creation of new information; information that specifies the enzymes and cofactors in new biochemical pathways, how to make feathers and bone, nerves, or the components and assembly of complex motors such as ATP synthase, for example.

However, mutations are good at destroying things, not creating them. Sometimes destroying things can be helpful (adaptive), but that does not account for the creation of the staggering amount of information in the DNA of all living things.


Does this side with ID instead of Evolution? Yes! In the beginning God created all living things. These creatures all have the ability to adapt. That is natural selection and it is scientifically sound. So go ahead and prove the science of Natural Selection wrong because that is ID science.

[edit on 18-9-2008 by the_watcher]


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 06:32 PM by the_watcher
reply to post by Nohup



Yes I do believe I already admited that you don't have to believe God was the designer.

It is interesting how people do not want to accept God but will come up with insanely crazy ideas that make even less sense.

That is most likely a topic for an entirely different thread though. I won't be speaking anymore on the subject.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 06:33 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by the_watcher



You mean there's more of your own opinion backed up by a christian website.

Answers in Genesis is an apologetics (i.e., Christianity-defending) ministry, dedicated to enabling Christians to defend their faith and to proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ effectively. We focus particularly on providing answers to questions surrounding the book of Genesis, as it is the most-attacked book of the Bible. We also desire to train others to develop a biblical worldview, and seek to expose the bankruptcy of evolutionary ideas, and its bedfellow, a “millions of years old” earth (and even older universe).

aig about

I can't wait till you DO have the time to back this up further.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 06:38 PM by schrodingers dog
reply to post by the_watcher



Though it it seems logical to believe in God though there is even less evidence for.
Not to mention that evolution is not "believed in", it is an ongoing scientific discussion.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 06:44 PM by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by the_watcher
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
How does not being able to prove evolution (which is a false statement, but thats neither heere nor there) prove that there is a higher power? There's no logic to that. Even if evolution can be DISPROVEN, that does not prove the existance of god.


Well I am looking at this from a Christian perspective. You can certainly be of the opinion that Isis did it. I've already accepted that I made that mistake. My bad.

What I am trying to say here is that proof given for evolution is false. One proof for evolution is also proof of ID. You cannot simply blindly accept Evolution based on absolutely no defining evidence.

Of course one can absolutely make the same argument for religion, but if you notice I did state that natural selection actually agrees with the bible. So... sure you can choose to go another route, but I would hope that you choose one that at least has SOME corolation to science.

I mean... if you want to believe something absurd you have every right... so don't let anyone get in your way.

Theres nothing more rich than bible thumper attacking someone's beliefs.

Natural selection agrees as much (actually moreso) with the theory of evolution than it does with christianity, but the truth is, if you want to play simantics, you can rewowrd anything to make it for or against your argument.

Until you can show proof of what you believe, it is completely foolish to attack someone's belief in a theory.
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