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Originally posted by Djarums
bolshevik, i agree with you entirely!!
however two problems come to mind.
1) yes if there was a ceasefire Israel should stop operations, however the ceasefires are negotiated by Israel and the PA and hamas is not in the habit of following the PA.
2) yes negotiation is the ONLY way to stop this bull#. however, every time negotiations seem to be going somewhere members of Hamas et al do everything in their power to derail it.
The problem isn't the Palestinians or the Israelis, the problem is the groups of lunatics who have shown - through their actions and their timing - that they have NO interest in peace whatsoever. (for evidence of this, research terrorist attack dates recently which "coincide" with meetings between Sharon and Quriea every damn time. It's a small group of maniacs, but their mission is accomplished every time the meetings get called off. Sadly, the citizens of Israel and the Palestinians suffer needlessly because of this.
Originally posted by nativeokie
In case someone questions why Israel took this freak out here is a list from an Israeli news agency of the attacks they can verify came from his group.
Since the beginning of the Oslo War in September 2000, Hamas has perpetrated 425 terrorist attacks of various kinds, in which 377 Israelis were murdered and 2,076 civilians and soldiers were wounded according to IDF statistics. During the Oslo War, Hamas has perpetrated 52 suicide attacks, in which 288 Israelis were murdered and 1,646 were wounded.
Among the more infamous Hamas suicide bombings and terrorist attacks were:
June 1, 2001 – A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at 11:30pm in the Dolphinarium discotheque killing 21 and wounding over 120.
August 9, 2001 – At 13:45, a suicide bomber blew himself up in the Sbarro Restaurant at the intersection of Jaffe and King George Streets in Jerusalem, killing 15 and wounding 132.
December 1, 2001 – Triple Bombing attack – 23:30 - Two suicide bombers on Luntz Street on Jerusalem's Ben-Yehuda Mall detonated bombs followed by car bomb on Rabbi Kook Street 15 minutes later. 11 dead and 180 wounded.
December 2, 2001 - 12:00 - Egged bus No.16 was targeted by a suicide bomber at intersection of Yad L'Banim and HaGiborim in Haifa's Halissa neighborhood. 15 dead, 45 wounded.
March 9, 2002 - 22:30 – A suicide bombing attack in Jerusalem's in Moment Café. 11 dead & 54 wounded.
March 27, 2002 - 19:15 – A suicide bomber in the Park Hotel in Netanya during the Passover Seder meal. 29 killed & over 130 wounded.
June 18, 2002 – 07:55 – A suicide bomber – Number 32A bus at Patt Junction near Gilo, Jerusalem. 18 murdered and over 50 wounded.
August 4, 2002 – 08:40- A Hamas suicide bomber detonated an explosive device on board a No. 361 bus at Meiron Junction. Nine persons were murdered and 53 injured.
March 5, 2003 – 14:20 – Suicide bombing attack on Moriah Blvd in Haifa on a No. 37 bus traveling in the Carmel area. 17 persons were murdered and 40 wounded.
August 19, 2003 – 21:10 – A suicide bomber blew himself up on a #2 bus traveling from the Western Wall to Jerusalem’s Har Nof neighborhood. The blast occurred near the intersection of Route 1 and Shmuel HaNavi Street. The terrorist was disguised as an Orthodox Jew. 23 killed & over 136 wounded, including approximately 40 infants and children.
September 9, 2003 - 17:50 – A Hamas suicide bomber blew himself up at a soldiers' hitchhiking station at the Tzrifin Base near Rishon L'Tzion, near Assaf HaRofeh Hospital. 9 killed and 30 wounded.
September 9, 2003 - 23:20 – A suicide bomber blew himself up inside the Hillel Café on Emek Refaim Street in Jerusalem’s German Colony neighborhood. Seven persons were killed and over 55 injured.
March 14, 2004 – 16:30 – Two suicide bombers blew themselves up inside and directly outside of the Port of Ashdod, murdering eleven and leaving about 20 injured
French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said terrorism was "a menace that affects us all", stressing that there could be "no compromise" on the issue.
France also joined in the condemnation, and European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana said it was "very, very bad news" for the peace process.
Yassin was a prime mover behind the blowing up of innocent civilians in Israel, be they Muslim or Jewish, citizen or tourist, at work or at rest, by the employment of suicide bombers whose deadly loads are laced with nails and other shrapnel to cause maximum injury. Did it not occur to the higher-ups in Hamas, including the sheikh, that their bombs might draw revenge attacks? Yassin acknowledged as much when he spoke of being a "seeker of martyrdom."
Remember that Hamas' goals are not susceptible to concession or negotiation. The two-state solution, as envisaged by the Oslo agreement, would have been agreed and enacted during the last year of the Clinton administration if it weren't for the irreconcilable claims of militant minorities, such as Hamas, which in Yassin's words consider all of the land of Israel and Palestine to be "consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgment Day."
Hamas is not a criminal conspiracy; it is a political-religious movement that has declared war on Israel. It can hardly be immoral to kill its leaders in self-defense, and it is for that reason Yassin was killed. If targeted assassination of the leaders of those who are trying to kill you is illegal in international law, than international law in this respect is itself wrong. The clause that bans killing by a state of those who would murder its citizens should be nullified in accordance with the higher precept of self-protection.