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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you make over $250,000 a year, which is the group whose taxes would rise, most likely, you're not producing anything. You're most likely managing someone else's funds, pushing some sort of paper, or watching your income flow in while you're on your yacht in the Caribbean. In other words, it's hardly "hard-earned".
Originally posted by West Coast
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you make over $250,000 a year, which is the group whose taxes would rise, most likely, you're not producing anything. You're most likely managing someone else's funds, pushing some sort of paper, or watching your income flow in while you're on your yacht in the Caribbean. In other words, it's hardly "hard-earned".
Who are you honestly to judge what is "hard earned"? Forget the fact that you just threw small business owners under the bus. Busting your ass in school, etc, working hard to get to that point, is where all that hard work comes from. So in that instance, I would say it is hard earned, all political bias aside.
Furthermore, what this does is punish the rich for being rich. For young college students who aspire to make money, an obama administration is scary thought. Instead of punishing people for leading successful lives (I think it is called the American Dream) we should promote such idealisms. With lots of hard work, and plenty of determination, you to can achieve such aspirations of making money.
[edit on 18-9-2008 by West Coast]
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
West Coast I totally agree. Benevolent Heritic, good luck buying a yacht on 250k. Its not that much money.
Originally posted by West Coast
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
West Coast I totally agree. Benevolent Heritic, good luck buying a yacht on 250k. Its not that much money.
Yes, just to add, 250K is upper middle class income level.
I've recently decided, as a former hardcore Obama supporter, to drop support for Obama and Biden. He was one of the men responsible for the creation of the Patriot Act, He voted many times to fund the farce that is Bush's War on Terror(which I like to call the "War on Terra") and I'm willing to bet that he has a very good idea as to what he is funding. Barack Obama, as a man who is said to be qualified to teach Constitutional law, has broken the Constitution by allowing the president power to spy on all of us. He voted for the Patriot Act, and ratified the second version, he voted YES on the new FISA amendments that allow pretty much blanket surveillance on all of us, which is illegal under the Constitution...These amendments infringe or eliminate Habeas Corpus, the 1st amendment, the 4th the 10th, the 14th, and a few others which I will not get into here. Biden and Obama betrayed me. Simple as that. Many here on this board know how much of a supporter I was, but I just can't drink that kool-aid anymore than I can chug McPalins'. I cannot tell you how hurt I felt, like breaking up with someone you really care for, to realize that the man "Making history" is doing so because the history was planned from the start. McCain is the overt evil guy in this lights, camera, action, made-for-TV-Drama, and Obama is the evil with a warm smile and message of hope he didn't intend on keeping to in the first place. And no I'm not an RP supporter either. Just a tired young American who is tired of being lied to. I am 24 years old, I grew up thinking this country was a great land of opportunity with a proud history of heroism, generosity, and with Liberty and Justice for all... I just don't know anymore...And I want that feeling back, I want to get back together with my girl, the beautiful United States of America...The country that took me in as a political refugee, and turned me into an American patriot, willing to bleed for her, so that my blood may give color and meaning to the words of the of the Constitution that have faded with the erosion of time.
Originally posted by West Coast
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
West Coast I totally agree. Benevolent Heritic, good luck buying a yacht on 250k. Its not that much money.
Yes, just to add, 250K is upper middle class income level.
Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by centurion1211
Waste and greed?
All you have done is show that you have no fundamental understanding of the subject.
Originally posted by mabus325
Biden now has justified higher taxes by making it a duty — as a Catholic:
“Catholic social doctrine as I was taught it ....
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Benevolent Heritic, good luck buying a yacht on 250k. Its not that much money.
Originally posted by iamcamouflage
Originally posted by West Coast
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
West Coast I totally agree. Benevolent Heritic, good luck buying a yacht on 250k. Its not that much money.
Yes, just to add, 250K is upper middle class income level.
People who make ~250K are in the top 5% of the income bracket how is that in the upper middle class? The term middle class is definitional, stating that those in the middle range of the income class. 90% of Americans make $100,000 or less. By definition middle class would be the 40-80K income range.
I agree that 250k probably doesnt buy what it used to but this is a result of inflation and stagnant wage growth. But if you feel like 250k is not very much money imagine how the bottom 90% making under $100,000 feel.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Benevolent Heritic, good luck buying a yacht on 250k. Its not that much money.
This proves my point. $250K is "not that much money". No, not if you buy a house in Santa Barbara! Who is it again that says poor people should live within their means? Ugh!
If you make $227,000 to $600K a year, with Obama, your taxes would go up $12. That's TWELVE DOLLARS! Forgive me if I can't muster up any sympathy.
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$250K isn't that much money... That's a good one!