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Im glad you asked this question Clue, because now i'll have a link to send those who still cry about the above mentioned...
Mark Roberts (and many of his cohorts) continue to cry about a heated exchange from several years ago, cherry pick and spin it up in a poor attempt to discredit when unable to debate the facts.
The fact is, Mark and i have had several heated exchanges. The difference is, i dont cry about it for years. I did apologize to Mark the first time around, but Mark continued to cry about it neglecting to mention the apology each and every time. So, one night during a Super Bowl party (some debunkers claimed i was a 'drunk' because i was drinking at the party, oh the horror..lol), we all had a laugh at Marks expense...
Here is the original post...
Notice Mark omitted alot of the disclaimers (eg. "in a verbal way") and spun it up as usual. Mark still cries about it to this day.
When attempting to get a debate going live on Air America radio more than a year later, the Host Richard Greene was adamant about getting "opposition" (do a forum search for the Air American Radio thread). I tried to contact Popular Mechanics and the NTSB. They both declined (Popular Mechanics specifically stating they will not be debating 9/11 anymore). So, i decided to scrape the bottom of the barrel in the form of "internet debunkers". All of whom are anonymous, self-proclaimed "experts" (only a handful of about 3 or 4 claim to have experience in aviation). Ron "pomeroo" Weick was the liaison to organize the "debunkers" for the debate. Every single one of Ron's "expert" debunkers declined to debate on air. The most common excuse? "There is nothing to debate". However, that is exactly what they do, day after day, night after night from behind their screens comforted by extremely biased mods who ban any "troofer" while letting their "own" break forums rules constantly by attacking the person instead of the argument. Some of these so-called "experts" are so intimidated to debate, that when they sign up here, they "double up" on the anonymity (creating a different userID than the one they are known for on the web). We had one of our obsessive "detractors" try to claim he was a female college student. lol.. Do a forum search for "ReTreat" and you'll see.
They use the excuse for remaining anonymous because they think "troofers" will come and kill them. And they call us paranoid.. :rolleyes:
Ron "pomeroo" Weick and i had several recorded exchanges on the phone. This is what he had to say (of many) about my demeanor.
I just received another call from Rob Balsamo. He was quite civil and impressed me with his sincerity in wanting a substantive debate on the FDR and related matters. I agreed to apologize for lumping him in with Ranke and Marquis and promised I would continue my effort to find opponents for tomorrow's CLOUT.
What can I say? The people here who are qualified to discuss the subject should step up to the plate. There is no satisfactory reason for missing this opportunity to address a fairly large audience.
(as a side note, Ron used to call P4T frauds as he does CIT. I asked him if he knows the name of ANY of his "aviation experts" and/or if they can be verified in the FAA database at faa.gov. He doesnt. So he realized why he could no longer call us frauds and agreed to apologize. Of course Ron spun it up a bit by getting in a jab at Craig and Aldo).
Since none of the "aviation experts" (albeit anonymous) would step up to the plate for debate, i asked Ron to contact NYC Tour Guide and "Debunker Extraordinaire" Mark Roberts (who is now "retired" from the debunking business, been exposed too many times is my guess). Instead of Mark having a civil discussion and letting by-gones be by-gones, Mark elected to send multiple convoluted emails to Richard Greene, once again crying about our heated exchange, trying to get the show canceled (Mark is supposedly from NYC, but appears to cry for years whenever he has a heated exchange on the net and unable to debate facts, go figure). You can find his emails on the site you linked above im sure. He doesnt hide the fact he tried to get the show canceled instead of stepping up to the plate. Ron was highly disappointed in Mark Robert for his poor attempt in trying to get the show canceled instead of stepping up.
I assure you, i have never killed anyone and dont have any intentions of doing so unless its self defense. Matter of fact, i have saved many lives of those who actually tried to kill me and themselves...(im talking about students as im sure the 'debunkers' will try to spin this up, Flight Instructors will appreciate this.. ).
Bottom line, those who cannot debate the facts, cherry pick quotes, spin them up, and attempt character assassination.
Hope this helps..
Originally posted by acura_el2000
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Ok, so that's the flight path, why would the plane need to "pull out" of the dive? It never needed to, nor did it.
The math might be correct that it would need 34G's to pull out, but there is no need for the plane to do so, as it would just deflect off the ground, and ram into the Pentagon anyway.
Your post has alot of logical information, however you need to look at all view points on the issue before becoming convinced on a certain one.
Originally posted by apex
Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
Again, why engage in this kind of internet debate? To what end? For what purpose? To accomplish what? It’s a legitimate question: are you more interested in DVD sales, or actually brining the perps to justice?
I always wonder that, since if the focus is getting the 'truth' out, then what's with the charging money for it? If it's just to cover operating costs then fine, but otherwise shouldn't such important information be free?
Originally posted by dariousg
The problem is the government and the courts. Many attempts have been made to bring this type of information about 911 to court. No one wants to touch it. No prosecutor wants to touch it. You see, people have had their lives destroyed over this and people have even died by mysterious 'suicide'.
reply to post by Alienmojo
I'm just your average joe who doesn't believe anything until he see's it. So far neither side has convinced me... and until the government releases the CITGO footage I won't believe anyone.
I wonder, has anyone spoken to employees of that gas station who might have seen something? Either way, the government lost lots of it trustworthiness when it took that tape and surpressed it. Now we can never fully know what happened or trust our government to explain it to us.
If the government is innocent it was really stupid of them to keep that tape.
Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
Originally posted by johndoex
Reheat, remember when you said others will figure out why you remain anonymous if i keep posting...?
Yeah, we all know why you remain anonymous ReTreat.
Have a great day!
I think Reheat is talking about this Rob:
“Mark Roberts deserves to die a traitors [sic] death for trying to suppress 9/11 families from seeking the Truth.”–"Pilots for Truth" founder, and ex-commercial pilot, Robert Balsamo
...And a few months later:
"Mark Roberts does deserve to die a traitors death....
I will not apologize for it this time. I will be there for his death should America fall into Civil War. That is not a threat. .that is a promise.
If he gets in my way of defending our Constitution.. it will be my pleasure to put a bullet in his head to defend our Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic." –"Pilots for Truth" founder Robert Balsamo, panicking after I challenged him to a debate. (Punctuation left as is.)
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Put it this way....this is not a 1 dimensional problem that can be solved with an online calculator.
Originally posted by magicmushroom
Well done Craig, a star and flag for you, you have put alot of work into the thread. Its quite obvious that a plane never hit the Pentagon but a missile and fired fom where?