Originally posted by ...and justice for some


So myself being totally human love my girlfriend unconditionally and very much. so do you think if i was to bitten by any type and changed into a vampire i would loose that?

This is going to be probably more than you wanted for an answer, but there is no short good answer to that.

I would say that as a human, that which gives you the capacity to love unconditionally is your "soul." (I use the word loosely, there are better terms but for this discussion I think it will suffice.) I think all of our "souls" are sort of what God or the Divine breathed into the dust to make it human and alive. (Again, very loose and sticking with Christian terminology because most of us know it, Christian or not) So, in essence, your "soul" is like Gods breath, it is an instance or aspect of the Divine itself, it is your natural immortality that survives the body.

A vampire, then, would be someone who has "died" and that soul or Divine gift has fled the body. But, the mind, and the body remain "undead." Not alive, but not dead either. However this form of "immortality" living as "undead," comes at the expense of the immortality conveyed by ones soul, that part of one that connects it to the Divine. In the other form of immortality, that conveyed by the Divine or God, you may have lost your body, and your memories that were stored in the mind at death, but the essence of "you" your soul, would have gone on. To what, is up for debate. The vampire is so attached to the body and mind, they will not risk that transition, and so the soul is given up. But with it, all of the qualities we attribute to being Divine. Love, compassion, humanity.

What remains is only hunger. That which loses its connection to the Divine is unbearably hungry for that connection again, but can never again have it, and so it seeks to fill that hunger with the things it CAN have. The pleasures of the flesh. Drinking the blood of others is in a sense trying to replace that essence that was lost, that soul that was traded to remain the same forever. To gain for some small moment that feeling of fullness that only ones soul can ever provide. However, even if the vampire gets some small taste of that connection again while feeding, it is fleeting. And so it must kill again and again.

So the short answer is "No." Your love for your girlfriend would not survive your becoming a vampire in my opinion. (And it is just an opinion, I am sure others will disagree) because the part of you that CAN love, the part of you that was a gift from whatever deity or Divinity you might believe in, was given back to that Divinity when you "died" and became a vampire. What is left is not truly you. It has all your memories. Your body. But none of the essence or soul that made you truly YOU.

Originally posted by RagenCajun
But how? How can it matter without any proof of an after life? Otherwise you are gambling your whole life on blind faith.

Its better to have something to believe than going though your life knowing theres nothing left for you but feeding the worms.

And if there is an after life you could be gambling your immortal soul.

witch is worse?

Originally posted by RagenCajun
However the main point I was trying to get across that my itouch wouldn't let me is that it is very similar to those kids in elementary school that say they would rush into their burning home to save their dog. But you never can know unless you are actually put in that situation...that life or death situation...

Your right you don't know if you would do it until the time comes. Most people would when it comes down to it i think... I would give my life gladly to save the life of the woman i love. I've gone into burning buildings and looked down the barrels of guns and that was for people i didn't even know...

Yeah it was a cool dream to be a vampire but when it comes down to its just that a dream.

Mans mortal so why not give up that mortality for the good of someone else, maybe you'll see that theres an afterlife maybe not.

Take my advice accept death you are going to die and you will never truly live until you can come to terms with that.


Peace Justice


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Originally posted by ...and justice for some

Mans mortal so why not give up that mortality for the good of someone else, maybe you'll see that theres an afterlife maybe not.

I must beg you to forgive, but I must disagree. Man is immortal. No, I was supposed to say 'eternal' really. It is just that our personality isn't eternal, but the matter we are made of, is not going to perish when we 'die', and the will that created us into this shape will not perish either. Actually, this life (this very life we are experiencing right now) is merely temporary; that's why it is written in bible (before I get any of you started about bible: Please, I do think that it can't be taken literally and some parts of it are even add-ons and misinterpretations!) that 'sons of heaven fell in love with daughters of earth' - this can be interpret so that our eternal will took shape in matter. Plato explains all this in his theory of forms.

The form of man does exists without you or me, and nature of earth would most likely build up another, new man, if we ever manage to extinct every human from this globe. It is because of the idea of man, or the form. That form is eternal and as I see it, our souls are part of that eternal form. We can either live up to it, or dismiss it and live in 'sin' and get rewarded by our personal hell.

Yeah yeah, I repeat like a parrot the words of others, but what can I do if I see that this is the case? No matter what, I think I've experienced things that proves this for me. I write it down here - not to convert anyone - but because I like to share it. It is up to you if you want read it or not, if you want to adapt it or not. It is not a new invention or some fancy new age religion - it is part of aeons old wisdoms from which all the religions derive from.

I think I will end here. I wish everybody all the best!

-v

Originally posted by v01i0

I must beg you to forgive, but I must disagree. Man is immortal. No, I was supposed to say 'eternal' really. It is just that our personality isn't eternal, but the matter we are made of, is not going to perish when we 'die', and the will that created us into this shape will not perish either.

I was going more for the life we have now can't lst forever not that our souls or all parts or our being is just dead and gone when we pass from this existence to the next...

...Please, I do think that it can't be taken literally and some parts of it are even add-ons and misinterpretations!) that 'sons of heaven fell in love with daughters of earth'.....

Is this from Genesis? if it is I thought that was talking about the angels and the fallen taking human lovers?

Its the same things in the Book of Enoch and Jubilees.

Yeah yeah, I repeat like a parrot the words of others, but what can I do if I see that this is the case?

I cant blame you for preaching what you believe.... and you've bought up some good points.

I think I will end here. I wish everybody all the best!

you should come back you've got allot of good points and I value your opinion.

Deny Ignorance Brother

Justice