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posted on Mar, 21 2004 @ 06:59 PM
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I don't understand why he had to die for us.

Look at these scriptures. It clearly says we cannot be held accountable for the sins of our ancestors. Why be punished for Eve eating the fruit?

Dt.24:16
"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
Jer.31:29-30
In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge. But every one shall die for his own iniquity."
Ezek.18:20
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."




posted on Mar, 21 2004 @ 07:03 PM
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Jesus had to die because he was human just like the rest of us. Humans live and let die.

Jesus dying for our SINS is a different story and he didn't die for our sins.

Salvation comes only through God and Jesus clearly was not God because Jesus called himself a prophet.

No man is responsible for your sins, only you are and only your blood can pay for your sins, not a man's blood who died 2,000 years ago.



posted on Mar, 21 2004 @ 07:09 PM
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i predict you will be swamped with dogmatic interpretation, soon.
he had to die because he could no longer breathe.
it's the message, not the MAN, that is most important. did jesus say, "i'm going to die to atone for your sins?". i don't think so.
he said. 'love yer neighbor as you love yerself'. that's the message.



posted on Mar, 21 2004 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Illmatic67
Jesus had to die because he was human just like the rest of us. Humans live and let die.

Jesus dying for our SINS is a different story and he didn't die for our sins.

Salvation comes only through God and Jesus clearly was not God because Jesus called himself a prophet.

No man is responsible for your sins, only you are and only your blood can pay for your sins, not a man's blood who died 2,000 years ago.


He called himself the Son of God and he was the last and only prophet that the Old Testament spoke of.



posted on Mar, 21 2004 @ 07:31 PM
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Read Genisis, as far as the creation, sin, and the flood goes.

Your Quotes are from the Old Testament, Jesus' name was never mentoned in the Old Testament.

Read the Gospels to get a better understanding.



posted on Mar, 23 2004 @ 01:15 PM
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The whole idea is really strange.

Christ died for our sins yet we still sin and ask for forgiveness in order to make it into heaven. Why couldn't we have just lived with asking god himself? Now to me that means the christ really made no differnce. We are still gonna go to heaven or hell just the same as before he died right? Did he die in vain or is it really cool for god to play silly games about who we should be praying to?

Even better than having to kill himself on the cross, sacrifice himself to himself, why not just nip it in the bud at creation? Adam and Eve didn't really have to sin did they.

Lets just say that what IF they never ate of the forbidden fruit. Lets say humans multiplied and learned to be (human) In other words eventually someone would have to kill someone or something, steal, fornicate etc.......... would it not have been considered a sin since there was no "original sin".



posted on Mar, 29 2004 @ 04:52 AM
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watch the passion (mel gibson film) it should explain it all.



posted on Mar, 29 2004 @ 06:44 PM
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Let me try to add some thoughts here that I have posted in other threads. This will take two posts...

For Christians, the Bible is all about Christ. Even the Book of Genesis is about Jesus. There is so much symbolism here that it could fill a book - Impossible to write everything in a tiny thread.

Even people in the Bible that God was talking to questioned him. Moses himself even questioned God and each time God basically slapped them on the face and said, “Are you God? Don’t question me.”

Everything is symbolism pointing to the coming of Jesus and his sacrifice.

Adam and Eve ate the apple and got kicked out of the Garden. They put fig leaves over their privates and when God saw this he told them to remove the plants and kill the first animals to use the skins – symbolism: blood atonement for sin.

God now makes a law that any sacrifice must come from a “clean and pure lamb”. The lamb could not have spots or defects. Symbolism: The clean, spotless and pure lamb represents Jesus. Each time a pure lamb is sacrificed sin is forgiven.

Abel comes to God and scarifies his best lamb and god is pleased. Cain gives God some harvest from the Earth and God is not happy. Cain did not follow the law. Old saying “can’t get blood from a turnip.” Symbolism: God is showing that nothing but the blood of the clean lamb will be accepted.

Later God tells Abraham to take his first-born son to the top of the hill (where Jesus would be crucified 2000 years later) and sacrifice him. This is a big moment of foreshadowing. Abraham struggles with this order but does what God says and takes his first-born son to the altar. The son says, father I see the altar and the wood for the fire but where is the sacrifice? Abraham says what God has been waiting for…Abraham says, “God will give us a sacrifice.” An angel of the lord suddenly appears and with a pure lamb for them to sacrifice. Symbolism: God will give the world a pure sacrifice to clean away all sin. Also see how difficult it was for Abraham and how hard it will be for God to watch Jesus on the Cross. It will be a sacrifice and not a murder.

Moving on to Moses…the pharaoh makes the final curse “The curse of the first born son.” All first-born sons will die when the Angel of Death flies into the city. However, God tells Moses that the Angel will pass over the families that put “Lambs Blood” on their door. Symbolism: The first-born sons will die, but those who use the blood will be saved. There is no death with the blood of the Lamb (Christ). Those who die and believe that the Lamb’s Blood was spilled for their sins will live again.

The Bible goes on and on in this matter of symbolism. But it is all about Christ and how his blood sacrifice saves the sins of all humanity for those who believe.

God has given us all free will. We create the good or the bad.



posted on Mar, 29 2004 @ 06:46 PM
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Here is why the Crucifixion is important.

The Cross amplifies God’s love. “Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.” John 4:10

Purpose 1. Jesus died so we could live through him. “In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.” John 4:9

Purpose 2. Jesus died so we could live for him. “and he died for all, that they that live should no longer live unto themselves, but unto him who for their sakes died and rose again.” 2 Cor. 5:15

Purpose 3. Jesus died so we could live with him. “who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.” 1 Thess. 5:10

The power of the Cross. Every Christian inherits three enemies, but through the Cross Christians have victory over all three enemies.

Enemy #1 – The Flesh: “And they that are of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts thereof.” Gal. 5:24

Enemy #2 – The World: “But far be it from me to glory, save in the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world.” Gal. 6:14

Enemy #3 – The Devil: “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.” John 12:31

There is an old Christian saying: The Crucifixion represents the worst that man can do to God and the best that God can do for man.


[Edited on 29-3-2004 by zerotime]



posted on Mar, 30 2004 @ 01:08 AM
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Why cant any of you think outside of the bible box. You need to approach it from a different angle. You should be asking why, not stating the reasons that Christians have given you. Start at the beginning..........

After Eve ate the apple, god could have just forgiven her! Why go through all the mumbo jumbo of sending a god, incarnated in a human to die for sins we didn't commit? Do you see my point here. The whole situations is useless. None of it had to happen. God didn't have to put that tree in the garden. God could have killed Satan before he tempted Eve. But he didn't do anything. Like a sick experiment to see how far man would bow to please an inexistant god. He made everything so confusing........ so much for not being the god of confusion. Christians love explaining why Christ had to die for us but they never step back and look at it Objectively...... The only see things from a twisted perspective of a loving god whom MAN created to explain how we got here.

Start even before the beginning......... a perfect being need snothing therefore he had no use to create anything. Why would a perfect being need to create a human. So we could worship him and give him glory. Doesn't that sound a little wrong? It sounds very wrong to me.



posted on Mar, 30 2004 @ 12:17 PM
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God has feelings just the same as you and I. (We were created in the image of God) His intent on making people was to have others to enjoy things with. Think of going to a funny movie, but there's no one to turn to and say "That was funny". It is much better when you have a friend along.



posted on Mar, 30 2004 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by dbates
God has feelings just the same as you and I. (We were created in the image of God) His intent on making people was to have others to enjoy things with. Think of going to a funny movie, but there's no one to turn to and say "That was funny". It is much better when you have a friend along.


Take off the bible goggles for just one minute and think.
Your just running around in a circle. Basically youre saying god exists because he says he does.
A perfect god should not have feelings, he is not human.

Read exerpt from Infidel guy below

Let’s talk about a few of God’s attributes:

· Omniscience – All knowing

· Omnipotence – All powerful

· Omnibenevolence – All Good

· Omnipresence – All everywhere (and some believe everything)

Let’s look at omniscience. If God is all knowing, why make any thing at all? God would simply have to know, before someone was even created, that they would displease him. Right? But wait, how can God be displeased in the first place if he is all-knowing?

Well known Creationist, Kent Hovind once said on my radio program, “The Creator is trying desperately to get your attention.” An all-powerful being can’t get my attention? Once again, this displays how man makes God in our image. A God, one would think, doesn’t need to “try” and shouldn’t be “desperate”?

The Bible also depicts God as having emotions. But one must ask, “How can God have emotions since emotions for the most part are reactionary?” Emotions aid us in survival. God needs emotions? Surely we agree that we get sad, because (in many cases) an event occured unexpectedly that saddened us. Well, a god can’t get sad can it? An omniscient god would have to have known what series of events would occur before they even happened. Some, at this point, would argue that God gives us free-will and it saddens him because of the decisions we make. If this were true, then God is NOT all-knowing.

If a god doesn’t want to be saddened, simply don’t put in motion those events that you are 100% certain will cause you sadness. But wait, how can anything sadden a God? This could only mean that something has occurred beyond God’s control. In which case God cannot be omnipotent.



posted on Mar, 30 2004 @ 02:14 PM
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Adam and Eve were forgiven but there is still punishment with sin. A child does something wrong you forgive them but you also punish them so they realize they did something wrong.

God did not have to make anything, but he did. Why? No one but God knows. Of course it is confusing. Human beings think and reason everything in the terms of what we know to be reality. God’s reality is obviously different.

I don’t know how young or old you are favouriteslave, but a child / parent relationship is a good example. Children/Teenagers tend to believe they know more than their parents. They like to believe that they are generally smarter than adults, that adults are sellouts, and that their generation is better than the adult generation. The truth is that it is all one big revolving cycle. Teenagers rebel because they believe that they know what’s best. Then, the years pass and the teenager grows up has kids of their own. They start to realize that the things their parents did are not that crazy. They find themselves going through the same situations with their teenagers who now believe that they know everything. New parents are forced to make some of the same decisions that their parents made for them – decisions that they hated and rebelled against. Young adults cannot understand adult reasoning because they are not in a place to experience and understand adult life. The understanding only happens when a child grows up and becomes an adult. It is the same way with God. Human beings (God’s Children) are not able understand God because we are not on the level. God is a parent who has 6 billion bratty children who like to question every single thing he does. People spend all their time asking why God isn’t doing what we want him to do. Or why God did this when we think he should have done something else.

God could constantly fix everything for us but is that a good parent? Human beings have free will. We create the good and the bad on this Earth and we have to learn to fix our own mistakes without having God baby-sit us every step of the way. God molded the human race early in creation and now we are out on our own. This doesn’t mean that God isn’t with us in spirit or that God isn’t watching over us throwing us some help once in a while, but it also does not mean that God is going to do what we tell him to do or that he will intervene and fix every problem that mankind creates.

Thinking outside of the box is realizing that human beings cannot understand God’s decisions because we are not on the same level to know all of what God knows. If there is a supreme being that can create stars, galaxies, planets, math, science, and everything else in the blink of a light then who are we to question?



posted on Mar, 30 2004 @ 02:33 PM
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Quick example of how your emotions are not just tied to suprise. Let's say you take a week vacation in Cancun, Mexico, and have a great time. When it comes time to leave, you have feelings about leaving. You liked it there, so you feel displeasure in leaving. Was it a suprise that you had to leave? No! You knew before you even left to go there that you would eventually leave.

In this instance you could be said to have omniscience since you knew the end from the beginning. Does this mean that you would change your mind about going?

Next example. Why do women get pregnant when they know that they will be miserable for 9 months and then will have to go through great pain delivering? They see the end result. God sees people in the same way. A lot of trouble, but worth it.

All knowing, all powerful, present everywhere. These traits are outside of human perception. Its impossible for you to fathom. Why would humans make up something that they can't understand?






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