Anonymous Hack's Palin's Yahoo Email, page 7

Originally posted by Sheeper
reply to post by ANoNyMiKE

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WTH are you crazy? Why are you being so sheepish? She was not using her yahoo email for her government job, she has one for that. Jebus, what are you people smoking? Are you seriously going off the assumptions that some people have made? What govenment business was she using it for? It's like it's so easy to just say whatever and people will just believe. Do you even have any idea what you are referring to? Or just assuming she did something horrible? Do you read the National Enquirer and go OHHH NOOOO WAY, NO SHE DID'IN and take it as truth.

I'll cut you some slack here, it doesn't sound like you're out in the job force yet.

It doesn't matter. Her entire PC was compromised by a simple security hole. If she ever logged into a remote intranet, they have the passwords. If she has any saved confidential docs, they have them. They could have waited for her to let details slip that would allow them into other systems or gain inside information.

If it is just a personal account she shouldn't be discussing her job at all using an insecure medium and looking at the subject lines, she was.

The fact it made the media is embarrassing, it shows shes a weak link in security and she holds a high position. If she worked for me I would expect just based on that, stockholders would demand her dismissal. I'd can her first though

reply to post by Blaine91555

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It seems odd that the very liberals who claim to be the champions of civil liberties, one of which is the right to privacy, are enthusiastically gnawing their tongues off over this illegal invasion of a person's privacy. Hmmm....let's see, over the internet....that brings in the FBI.....a vice presidential candidate....that requires the Secret Service.

P.S. If it were Senator Biden's email.....I'm sure they'd have the ACLU lawyers crawling all over the place. Oh, by the way, the emails were obtained illegally without a warrant and thus, could not be used as evidence.

reply to post by sardion2000

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If she was using Yahoo to bypass government transparency laws (whatever they are) then the hacked email would contain hundreds of messages between Palin and various parts of the government not a small amount that can easily be non-governmental communication.

All I see is more personal stuff being "exposed".

Originally posted by Sheeper
reply to post by Lasheic

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So we have potentially incriminating things that havn't been seen. We have a mess of assumptions and what ifs. All we really have as far as substance is nothing but personal emails, show me the incriminating emails. Yikes, you chumps are diving head first in to this thing like she did something horrible, yet she hasn't....as far as we know.....ooooohhhhhh. As some have said, this has failed to make her look bad and it has only furthered in making her look like a victim, which ofcourse she is in this case. Which email is it you would like to see her slammed for? The fellow politician using a public email to fly under the radar telling her to pray? Got to go through the proper channels for that kind of stuff huh?

You chumps? Which email would I like to see her get slammed for?

You seem to misunderstand. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the sweet drama of the whole mess, watching both the media frenzy and watching anon squirm from somehow snatching massive fail from the jaws of godly win.

Anon is not to be taken lightly. Anon is not to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by projectvxn
Anonymous is completely focused on the destruction of Scientology. I'm willing to bet that this was done by a good hacker from the Church of Scientology just to deflect attention back on what is now their most powerful enemy. This just doesn't seem to be Anonymous' style at all.

[edit on 18-9-2008 by projectvxn]

Anon is never completely focused on anything. They are not the good guys. They are not the bad guys. Anon has been around for as long as there has been an internet, before they were even anon. The war on Scientology is only one of the latest projects, and it's not necessarily supported by Anon even though Anon wages it.

This is not a privacy issue. This is not a partisan issue. This is a national security issue. There's a reason that there are highly secured government email addresses, and it was Palin's choice not to use them.

Newsflash, there are hackers in places that aren't the USA. Sensitive information, ANY information relating to government should not be on a commercial server. Yahoo is not a government entity.. If you read their privacy policy it basically states that while they won't give your information away - everything they collect about you, they will respond to subpoenas and legal requests, and in the event of a merger, will tell you before they give your information away, but will still do it. Yahoo's email service, like all web-based email services, also stores your mail directly on it's server - your communications are not simply passing through on their way to your machine, but they are staying on a corporate, publically owned machine.

This is NOT the way to security, which is the reason the smart people who run government servers don't just say "Hey, we could all save a lot of money if we just use Yahoo for our email".

It's all very well to blame the hackers for their illegal acts, but the internet is a world wide vehicle for communication. It's like you just built a military base in the middle of the ocean, but gave it no defenses, no guns, nothing. You didn't even put some soldiers on it, just put a few hired lackeys who could be bribed, or make money for their own personal interests by letting people on the base, and then you put a few billion dollars worth of gold on the base. It's all very well and good to say "That's illegal" when someone steals the gold, but you'd be laughed at constantly by people who realize that you just did something incredibly stupid, and it's your own fault.

So yes.. it's illegal for people to hack, but do you really think that hackers in China, for example, care about what's illegal in the US? Do you really think that someone supposedly ready to rule the free world has the national security credentials to do so, when they can't understand the basic stupid mistake they make by using yahoo for their personal correspondence?
The instant I saw that Palin's email address had been posted in a few places online, the instant I knew it would be hacked very shortly. Up to that point, her account was secure through obscurity, not for any other reason. She is completely and utterly culpable, and has no-one else to blame.

Originally posted by Inannamute
The instant I saw that Palin's email address had been posted in a few places online, the instant I knew it would be hacked very shortly. Up to that point, her account was secure through obscurity, not for any other reason. She is completely and utterly culpable, and has no-one else to blame.

That's the problem with secrecy. Folks think that obscurity increases security. And this is one reason that Palin's email accounts were eventually hacked. Security through obscurity doesn't work. Some say that if a system that is designed to be secure doesn't take into account that the enemy knows the system, then that system should be avoided at all costs. The most secure systems "assume that the enemy knows the system".

Auguste Kerckhoffs' six cryptography principles:

The law was one of six design principles laid down by Kerckhoffs for military ciphers. Translated from French, they are:[1]

1. The system must be practically, if not mathematically, indecipherable;
2. It must not be required to be secret, and it must be able to fall into the hands of the enemy without inconvenience;
3. Its key must be communicable and retainable without the help of written notes, and changeable or modifiable at the will of the correspondents;
4. It must be applicable to telegraphic correspondence;
5. It must be portable, and its usage and function must not require the concourse of several people;
6. Finally, it is necessary, given the circumstances that command its application, that the system be easy to use, requiring neither mental strain nor the knowledge of a long series of rules to observe.

[Emphasis mine.]

en.wikipedia.org...

Bruce Schneier ties it in with a belief that all security systems must be designed to fail as gracefully as possible:

"Kerckhoffs' principle applies beyond codes and ciphers to security systems in general: every secret creates a potential failure point. Secrecy, in other words, is a prime cause of brittleness—and therefore something likely to make a system prone to catastrophic collapse. Conversely, openness provides ductility."

en.wikipedia.org...

I first heard of Kerckhoffs' principle seven years ago from Bruce Schneier.

Anyway, this goes to show that just as someone eventually revealed the location of the Bush Administration's documents that authorized illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens, so did Sarah Palin's use of personal email to conduct government business was soon discovered, and her email account eventually hacked. (Palin would not cite executive privilege for purely personal emails.) Both scenarios required secrecy as the full force of the security, and both involved more than one person knowing about the secrets. Should be easy to understand how both systems were eventually compromised and suffered catastrophic failure.

Secrecy makes liars and cheats out of people. It also fosters dissension and jealousy among those in the know. Secrecy imperils integrity.



[edit on 18-9-2008 by Areal51]

reply to post by CreeWolf

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That's why Democrats like big government. They need big government to step in because they can't behave themselves on their own!

GWB hasn't exactly behaved himself. Don't blame the party without looking at the facts. Research, the Democrates are for the common man, the Republicans are for the rich - elite and corporatioins who pay for their loyalty in campaign funds.

"Can't behave themselves" Bush lied and manipulate us into a trilllion dollar war to avenge his father.

I won't even go into stealing the first and maybe second elections.

Smear campaign, what about Clinton and Monica? Yes it was true, however when Clinton left office we had a surplus. What do we have now? Ask yourself that last question. I don't expect politicians to be morally perfect but however I do expect them to be effective in running our government. The Republicans have shown themself unable to run the country as well as having always resorted to attacking personalities vs policy (and side tracking everyone) and now the Democrates are being forced to answer in kind.

When Bush leaves office our children's children will still be paying for his lies.

Party prejudice is easy just flip the switch and poof your done. Research and educating yourself as to what is really going on is a bit harder.

If anyone out there can still vote Republican after the last eight years, millions of jobs, millions of home foreclosures, millions of tax breaks for the rich and companies taking their jobs overseas..........you are absolutely nuts the Republican's have already got us living in a police state.

and Palin, not a good choice. Just as vindictive, dumb and corrupt as GWB, but prettier.

If the Republicans are a party of "small government" then how come we have a 400 billion dollar deficit this year?

Your ideas are decades out of date the Democrates are the ones shown to be able to balance the budget when they control the presidency.

Lastly. The American people are again being side tracked and kept busy while things fall apart and the real issues are not being addressed.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





[edit on 18-9-2008 by ofhumandescent]

[edit on 18-9-2008 by ofhumandescent]

www.abovetopsecret.com...

wikileak and its mirrors are bieng ripped down minutes after opening

the pirate bay torrents still active just none of the websites


either there really are that many people rushing to every mirror and killing them in thier eagerness or somthings going on, and considering the seeds/pers are both below double figures (thats what my utorrent is telling me) hardly seems like the mass rush needed to kill the sites

reply to post by FlyersFan

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HAhaha! Nice try. Well, since here on ATS speech is free(no cost?) you can say what you want.

Hackers indeed are doing a favor for community - but you are correct. If they get caught, they will be in trouble too. But you are not right about Palin's being in hot waters for she is. Using personal mails for governmental affairs is at least dupious and reckless. I hope as many people as possible will regonize this and spread the word. I at least blogged it in my crappy blog, even tho I am not citizen of US (which should tell something about my objectivity about this matter).

Good luck with you Flyers Fan.

Sincerely,

-v

PS. I kinda hope that Sarah Palin is not so stupid that she really chose such e-mail address (gov.palin@...), and this is merely political mud throwing. It would be very sad if there would be such idiotic people in such high places of government.

[edit on 18-9-2008 by v01i0]

looks like they wernt all personal after all

source www.wikileaks.org...

as well as what looks like proof that Palin was indeed using personal e-mail for state business.

Among the emails in Palin's account were several from (GOV) addresses belonging to her aides, including a draft letter to California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a discussion of nominations to the state court of appeals, and several bearing "DPS", the acronym for the Alaska Department of Public Safety.

DPS, as it happens, supervises the Alaska state troopers

Wikileaks may release additional emails should they prove to be of political substance

could be more to come guess we wait and see

p.s. wikileaks appears to be back up ^_^

[edit on 18/9/08 by noobfun]

reply to post by noobfun

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Originally posted by noobfun
p.s. wikileaks appears to be back up ^_^

Not from here. Altho my friend was able to access it once, but I haven't. I guess it requires some luck to get through.

-v

reply to post by v01i0

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im accessing it through www.wikileaks.org... then just removiung everything after .org and reloading the page seems to work fine

this will get you to the front page just scroll down a bit to find the Palin info

[edit on 18/9/08 by noobfun]

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