Originally posted by bsbray11
They justify themselves. Name me one scientist, observer, instrument, etc., anything, that can tell you definitely what something objectively
"is" and not just what their subjective view of it seems to be. It's absurd for me to ask this, because you can't do it, because what I
just posted was correct to begin with.
You're the one making the claims and I'm the one answering the questions. Funny how this always works. I shall be your teacher then.
First off let me provide you with some definitions so you don't get confused.
- not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased:
- being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject.
- of or pertaining to something that can be known, or to something that is an object or a part of an object; existing independent of thought or an
observer as part of reality.
- existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought
- placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.
- relating to properties or specific conditions of the mind as distinguished from general or universal experience.
- Proceeding from or taking place in a person's mind rather than the external world
- Existing only in the mind; illusory.
I provided a few definitions. The ones that I emphasized with coding are the one's that I am focusing on.
Objective as the things that REALLY exist. Such as the Earth being spherical and Subjective as the things that only exist in the mind: Such as the
Earth being flat. Convictions in ignorance rather than objective reality.
When the OBJECT is spherical, it is NOT flat. Thus the OBJECTIVE, that which is existing independent of subjective opinion is TRUE. A subjective
conviction and that which merits no objective observance or consistency with physical reality will ALWAYS crumble under the weight of objective
scrutiny and comparison.
Regardless of how many people subjectively (belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought) believe that the Earth is flat,
the Earth will still be spherical. That's the difference between subjective and objective.
The subject can think what it wants about an object (Earth flat), but ultimately the object (Earth round) will always only allow the subject to gather
from it what it truly is.
[edit on 19-9-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]