LHC Hacked, and file deleted from central computer.

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A Greek hacker team that could hack CERN security? LOL!
Thats supposed to be a joke?
Our education system is pathetic concerning computer science and how its been taught even in high level education.
While the whole world is discovering the digital science and broadband internet access we are going backwards making broadband more expensive where a state monopoly with direct or indirect methods has a strangle hold of everything internet in this country.
How many "greek" teams can we see claiming sucesses even in cracking mainstream commercial programs? I can tell you how many. 0!

Yet US had the most severe hacking attack of all ages targeting a Texas high security military target I think back in 1998, the incident suspiciously received very little coverage even in local news and possibly never reached the US media. It was originated according to CIA from three major cities that house public universities within the Greek country and it was done simultaneously, according to the press. IMO our security infrastructure is so much a joke that any intel agency can do pretty much do whatever they want in there. It is a public joke that the state intel services have to rely on israely companies for maintenance and service. I mean how lower on the "puppet state" scale can you go further down than that? Thats rock bottom.
If someone has an interest in studying the local political history of the formed official state after some 400 years of othoman occupation, before almost 300 years back, it will discover a permanent proxy state for everyone who wished to have his way in there.



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Ok on the plus side theres plenty of nice weather and some friendly people especially if their going to have some of your money at the end of the day but thats all there is nobody has to expect any surprises by this society and that is too unfortunate and I do not think this status quo is going to change soon with the mentality most of us down there like to have.

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That's a pretty bold statement about Greece's internet access. Here's some info

Greece providers:
www.hri.org...

The history of there access:
en.wikipedia.org...

It only takes an internet connection and time for anyone to hack, or learn on there own if, according to you, the education isn't up to par.

Very ignorant post you made I have to say.

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I highly dount things are are as bad as you say they are, but i have no personal experience.

All it takes is 1 person.

You mean that anyone with internet access and some free time can do successful bypass of security protocols and hack?
What about hacking skills and the education infrastructure that has to go behind this? What about a society's level in new sciences and technology?
Having a PC and an internet connection does not mean that this someone would actually learn to program by himself, especially in low level languages required for hacking. He could just be downloading porn all day. This country is in the South Europe not in the North Europe.

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You are correct, having a computer and internet access doesn't mean you are a hacker, but a lot of hackers have ZERO higher level education and ZERO training of any kind. They learn on the internet the same way you can learn about anything else in the world you want to learn about.

I knew more about computers before I was 10 than most people I know to this day.

Originally posted by spacebot
You mean that anyone with internet access and some free time can do successful bypass of security protocols and hack?
What about hacking skills and the education infrastructure that has to go behind this? What about a society's level in new sciences and technology?
Having a PC and an internet connection does not mean that this someone would actually learn to program by himself, especially in low level languages required for hacking. He could just be downloading porn all day. This country is in the South Europe not in the North Europe.

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Wow, you're really bashing Greece as well as "southern" Europe. What right do you have? Or better yet, what's the grudge?

Don't get me wrong about the topic. I believe nothing serious can happen with the hackers and the LHC, but your comments about are out right retarded.



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Believe me is worse
I had to spend my entire monthly salary trying just to stay connected on the internet and read some damn emails or post in some BBS back in 1998. That was the state of the internet since its introduction and onwards up until late 2003. After 2003 you had an "advertised" bandwidth capacity with every internet connection deal you signed and actual throughoutput was at most times -50%. Thats "below standards".
Thanks to the OP for giving me the chance to vent off about lousy services and such, but i think I'm derailing the thread so I'll put away my ranting for now.

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I should have said "Balkans" but even then it wouldn't do justice. Spain and Italy are doing fine and even Turkey has started to make some strides towards population level internet connectivity. By northern vs southern I mean that northern europe is setting some quality standarts concerning internet quality/bussiness/education etc. South is still falling behind at some places. I never meant to bash south europe.

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Originally posted by spacebot
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Believe me is worse

I had to spend my entire monthly salary trying just to stay connected on the internet and read some damn emails or post in some BBS back in 1998. That was the state of the internet since its introduction and onwards up until late 2003. After 2003 you had an "advertised" bandwidth capacity with every internet connection deal you signed and actual throughoutput was at most times -50%. Thats "below standards".
Thanks to the OP for giving me the chance to vent off about lousy services and such, but i think I'm derailing the thread so I'll put away my ranting for now.

You can thank me for posting those stats you just used.

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I hope this one link can be enough. Has a lot keywords also. Else I have to translate stuff from local sources and there are a lot of pissed off peoples statements to be translated and I would hate to do that.
At some countries something to be happening and for people to know about, has to be posted all over the internet. Well some other countries still DO NOT work that way!

www.eett.gr... (fixed link)

A year ago, just 20,000 telephone lines - out of about 6 million overall in Greece - were available to OTE's rivals. And the number of broadband lines was around 400,000.

That is now starting to change and both the number of unbundled loops and broadband lines have soared, particularly since earlier this year when the Telecoms Commission forced OTE to open up its network to rivals.

"We are only at the beginning of things," said Alexandridis. "We are getting out of the last place in Europe where we were at. But that's not so significant, because I think we should be moving faster than the rate we are moving at."

But the key to what comes next, what further measures the Commission may take to open the market, also depends on OTE, says Alexandridis.

"If the mentality changes and the incumbent does not become an obstacle to the development of a healthy and competitive environment in the telecommunications sector, then some of the tools the regulator has may not need to be applied," he said.

"If the incumbent becomes an obstacle...then some of the heavier tools need to be considered. The heavier, not necessarily the heaviest, is functional separation."

Since his appointment in August 2005, OTE and the Commission have been at loggerheads.

Alexandridis, a computer engineer and academic by training who spent much of his career in the U.S., says Greece has lost valuable time in opening up its telecoms market by mollycoddling OTE for too long and being slow in adopting E.U. regulations to open the market.

In his two years in office, he has imposed several dozen judgments and fines on OTE, including a record EUR20 million fine against the company for abusing its dominant position to squeeze out rivals in the broadband market.

OTE has fought back, challenging almost every one of the Commission's decisions in court and winning a few of them. On top of that, there have been frequent public barbs by OTE Chairman and CEO Panagis Vourloumis against the Commission.

And both publicly and privately, OTE officials frequently challenge the authority of both the Commission and Alexandridis himself, questioning not only his legal powers but even his personal credentials.

fixed link

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No offense to the posts about internet access, but a slow internet connection has nothing to do with the ability to crack and hack.

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Forgot to add that if you spent your entire months salary to post on some BBS and read email then you shouldn't be on the internet at all. I hope you were telling a small fib about that.

I saved the best for last.

Have I mentioned that until recently was still a law against producing software commercially?
Yes! Making software here was illegal!
I know that many will not believe me.!
Google it, but hey, not many links will be found in english, since the main mentality is "sweep garbage under the rag" so the rest of the world won't find out we might be idiots.

rocksarerocks
So? I used to like internet
And I stated about the years that was used to happen. I did not mention 2008 anywhere did I?

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Again, this has nothing to do with hacking and cracking. Anyone with a dialup account could potentially do it.

Also as for your internet addiction enough to spend your entire salary, I hope you fed your family in the process.

Ahem.. I just read the "hackers" message and It actually says in some way what I was trying to say with all these posts. It is presenting itself as a protest. Maybe it is true after all OR its a carefully fabricated scheme just to convince. Anyway this case is bizarre to say the least.

My family left me

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Because you spent all your money on the internet? The hackers story could very well be blown out of proportion.

"CERN is far remote from being secure since even their own webpage can be hacked"
That is the main issue of this "act" I believe.
Another story which likes to point out and inform the unsuspected masses how "insecure" the main LHC project might be.

IMO if CERN/LHC team remains adamant to their promise to share their actual data with the whole planet, and if that data could revolutionize science as we know it, as CERN/LHC themselves promised, then someone could be having "issues" over this.
I'm just trying to figure out exactly who that could be.
I too believe that science might be arrogant but the real issue must be stopping the flow of information to the masses. Here in this "act" there are supposed cyberhackers with a message styled like coming out of a plain anarchists flier. (local anarchists styled language is used)
I just cant buy this for some reason.

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Originally posted by spacebot
"CERN is far remote from being secure since even their own webpage can be hacked"
That is the main issue of this "act" I believe.

Again, you don't get the facts straight. This CMS software monitor is one of many web servers (one of many utilities) used by users and I bet it was run by CMS personnel. There is nothing new in hackers having a degree of success in compromising a server or two, and the machine in question is nowhere near being the "central computer" of some sort which the sensationalist folks want to portray it as.

In other words, a non-event.

Well, you and now I (thanks to you) both know that, but the average Joe doesn't.
If you check the tittle of the thread, even the OP believes it is an issue. I can't blame people for not being data server experts or unix savvy though.

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It could also not be a hacking attempt at all according to the insight you present. Probably just made that way to impress, could be that someone just found some (greek) students from a study group participating in LHC, address and password from that persons flash disk and decided to make some "good use" of it.

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uhh hey guys

i distictly remember that a hoaxed time traveller recently said that CERN would be hacked by greeks


can anyone get that quote? im not good with the search tool....


"The answers they found for the LHC is nothing as it was hacked by greek hackers and the information could not be found. "

as said by "Dimitri Habibob", on page 2 of www.abovetopsecret.com... towards the bottom

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Here's what I got for them.

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% Information related to '137.138.0.0/16AS513'

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