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reply posted on 30-9-2008 @ 10:38 PM by HIFIGUY
reply to post by avingard



Were not even the the top ten in a free enterprise system brother.

A unified effort by the medical field on controlling costs, from drugs to procedures is whats needed.

I understand your comment on your system, but also understand that we have no system at all, for many of our people. Sad really.

The market doesn't always cover everything. It only covers it if there is a profit to be made.

Its those that look beyond profit, and burden, to see the greater good.
That in the long run, it is what is right, and good for all of us, and not only available to the select.


Peace

[edit on 30-9-2008 by HIFIGUY]


reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 07:55 AM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by John Nada


I'm sorry, but thsese systems DON'T work. Citizens of Canada frequently come to the US to get needed health care because of the protracted wait for care.
It can take up to a year to get a cardiac bypass in Canada and England. I can't speak for France.
I have worked with Canadian doctors that came to this country because it took to long to get anything done for their patients.
I agree that we need health care reform in this country, but Obama's plan is NOT what we need


reply posted on 1-10-2008 @ 10:52 PM by carewemust
reply to post by kettlebellysmith



I'm a USA insurance broker. This Summer, I set up a health insurance
policy for a family that moved here from Toronto, Canada. The wife
still has cancer because the waiting list for the few treatment centers is
so long that she could only get chemo every 6 weeks, even though
she's supposed to go every 2 weeks! Plus, the poor thing has no idea
if the chemotherapy was working at all, because their state medical system
"forgot" to schedule in a this testing with her treatment regime.

Her husband became so frightened for her life that he moved his business
to the USA so she could get good health insurance. In 3 months, Carrie
will be past the 6 month waiting period for the group health plan I set up
for them and she'll be able to get up to $7 million dollars of treatment
at any medical facility she chooses, at any time. Talk about a family that
is thankful to be in the USA!

Our system isn't perfect, but you'd be hard pressed to find very many
people leaving the USA and moving to a socialist country just to get their
health coverage. The reverse, however, happens often.

-CWM


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 08:56 AM by jam321
reply to post by carewemust



I think the thing many people catch on to the quickest are the words FREE or CHEAP. They don't bother to consider or research for themselves what impact socialize medicine has had on other countries. They also fail to realize that even with a Healthcare for all, you will still have people with no insurance. I favor reform over OBama's plan. Reform to lower cost of premiums, prescriptions, and cost of treatment itself.


reply posted on 2-10-2008 @ 03:34 PM by feydrautha
Originally posted by Seaman_Richie
Why can't we copy our brothers to the north or even the redcoats across the pond...their system works....


here is what the shining example of socialized medicine looks like when reality is given weight:

Baroness Warnock Calls for Executing the Elderly

Socialized medicine takes a highly valuable and limited commodity — healthcare — and sets the cost to free.

Those with even a rudimentary understanding of economics should not be surprised that this has caused supply shortages. But British medical ethics expert Baroness Warnock has found a solution:

The veteran Government adviser said pensioners in mental decline are "wasting people's lives" because of the care they require and should be allowed to opt for euthanasia even if they are not in pain.

She insisted there was "nothing wrong" with people being helped to die for the sake of their loved ones or society.

The 84-year-old added that she hoped people will soon be "licensed to put others down" if they are unable to look after themselves.

Warnock is allegedly Britain's "leading moral philosopher."

She wants dementia sufferers to consider "ending their lives through euthanasia." Needless to say, dementia sufferers are not in a position to make decisions, any more than unborn babies are; others make the potentially lethal decisions for them. What this moral philosopher is talking about is having people put to death for having Alzheimer's disease.

Look for other expensive illnesses to follow. When progressives attained total control of Germany, they killed 6,000,000 Jews. The next time they consolidate that kind of power, they'll be going after anyone with costly and/or chronic diseases.

On the positive side, there will be free healthcare for all… who survive.


Baroness Warnock: Dementia sufferers may have a 'duty to die'


socialized medicine is a bad idea, we have many more people than the uk and canada, and their system is #e.

social meds here would make theirs look like utopian perfection, by comparison.

socialism in the united states is not altruism, it is strictly for totalitarian control of the population.

you may think its free, but the real price is more than anyone should have to pay.


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 05:52 PM by jam321
reply to post by Mister E





you said

I think free health care to the sick is just a basic human right


Obama said per your source

" I...believe that every American has the right to affordable health care "


seems to be difference between free and affordable. And what may be affordable to one may not be affordable to another. In addition the taxpayers will be left paying the bill for yet another one of government's inept programs.


reply posted on 7-10-2008 @ 08:16 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by jam321





In addition the taxpayers will be left paying the bill for yet another one of government's inept programs.


Great point, friend. The key word in your great post is "inept". That is the standard of operation for most government programs.
Just look at how well (not!) their bailout program is working. Dow down over 500 more points today. My 403B balance is quickly heading to $0.
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