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Project Paperclip & Human Experimentation

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posted on Mar, 21 2004 @ 01:25 PM
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1945: Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.

The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.

There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis.



The following people were hired by the US after the war.


ARTHUR RUDOLPH;
During the war, Rudolph was operations director of the Mittelwerk factory at the Dora-Nordhausen concentration camps, where 20,000 workers died from beatings, hangings, and starvation. Rudolph had been a member of the Nazi party since 1931; a 1945 military file on him said simply: "100% Nazi, dangerous type, security threat..!! Suggest internment."

Rudolph became a US citizen and later designed the Saturn 5 rocket used in the Apollo moon landings. In 1984, when his war record was finally investigated, he fled to West Germany.


KURT BLOME;
A high-ranking Nazi scientist, Blome told U.S. military interrogators in 1945 that he had been ordered 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. He was tried at Nuremberg in 1947 on charges of practicing euthanasia (extermination of sick prisoners), and conducting experiments on humans. Although acquitted, his earlier admissions were well known, and it was generally accepted that he had indeed participated in the gruesome experiments.

Two months after his Nuremberg acquittal, Blome was interviewed at Camp David, Maryland, about biological warfare. In 1951, he was hired by the U.S. Army Chemical Corps to work on chemical warfare. His file neglected to mention Nuremberg.


MAJOR GENERAL WALTER SCHREIBER;
According to Linda Hunt's article, the US military tribunal at Nuremberg heard evidence that "Schreiber had assigned doctors to experiment on concentration camp prisoners and had made funds available for such experimentation."


HERMANN BECKER-FREYSING and SIEGFRIED RUFF;
These two, along with Blome, were amoung the 23 defendants in the Nuremberg War Trials "Medical Case." Becker-Freysing was convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison for conducting experiments on Dachau inamtes, such as starving them, then force-feeding them seawater that had been chemically altered to make it drinkable. Ruff was acquitted (in a close decision) on charges that he had killed as many as 80 Dachau inmates in a low-pressure chamber designed to simulate altitudes in excess of 60,000 feet. Before their trial, Becker-Freysing and Ruff were paid by the Army Air Force to write reports about their grotesque experiments.


KLAUS BARBIE;
Known as the Nazi butcher of Lyons, France during World War 2, Barbie was part of the SS which was responsible for the and death of thousands of French people under the Germany occupation.


The following people were hired by the CIA.


Dr. Sidney Gottlieb;
Ex head CIA Chemical Biological Warfare program.


Dr. Ray Teichler;
Gottlieb's assistant, and CIA liason at Edgewood Arsenal. Assistant to Edgewood Medical Laboratories division of human experimentation director.


Dr. Albert Klingman;
Participated in joint CIA/Army program at Edgewood, got prison inmates for these experiments; also had a climatic control chamber.


Dr. Robley Evans;
Radiation in WW II, using some data from ongoing Nazi radiation experiments on humans, mostly by Dr. Boris Rajewski.


Dr. Boris Rajewski;
Nazi radiation experimenter.


Dr. Webb Haymaker;
He Co-authored a book with Nazi scientist Hubertus Strughold. Co-developed Boron Neutron Capture Therapy (BNCT) from CIA ideas to use radiation to affect brain centers; Boron is injected, and a neutron beam aimed at it in the brain, causing a tiny nucear explosion." NO CURES, most patients died.


Dr. William Swee;
Co-developed BNCT: Worked in 1933 and 1934 in Nazi Germany, observed sterilization of unwitting epileptics by aiming radiation at their genitals from under a desk they were told to sit at.



It was feared that communist Russia would recruit these people and use their research to gain an advantage over the US. Was it worth making a deal with these people to gain important scientific knowledge and to keep them away from Russia?


RESOURCES:
en.wikipedia.org...
www.mindcontrolforums.com...
www.mindcontrolforums.com...




[Edited on 21-3-2004 by kinglizard]



[Edited on 21-3-2004 by kinglizard]




posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 12:58 AM
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Hmmm. I've heard of that Human Experiments with pultonium, but I never heard of Project Paperclip. Sounds like fiction to me, but I want to know more.



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 02:25 AM
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Paperclip was very much real - the thing is that however wrong, the Nazi experiments were something the US could never do - thus, someone who had conducted these tests was an asset because they had done things the US could not do. Remember, German scientists are arguably the most brilliant in the world, so of course we wanted them on our team! It was a lot better they have the US gov backing them then Stalin, who was MUCH worse then Hitler could ever hope to be (I believe the death count for RUSIANS under Stalin is 20.................................MILLION!!!!!).



posted on Mar, 24 2004 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by Agent Iceman
Hmmm. I've heard of that Human Experiments with pultonium, but I never heard of Project Paperclip. Sounds like fiction to me, but I want to know more.


Take a look at this site. It explains many of the experiments carried out on the innocent.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Mar, 30 2004 @ 01:47 AM
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Werner von Braun and about 125 other German rocket specialists reached this country
under "Project Paperclip," carried out by the United States Army.
The Soviets captured no more than a handful of top Peenemuende engineers and
administrators. "This is absolutely intolerable," protested Josef Stalin to Lieutenant
Colonel G. A. Tokaty, one of his rocket experts. "We defeated the Nazi armies;
we occupied Berlin and Peenemuende; but the Americans got the rocket engineers."

And "Project Paperclip" is how we did that. Project Paperclip applies only to the Peenemuende group.

helix.gatech.edu...

KingLizard == "offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States. "

Not entirely accurate, KingLizard. Nor were they Nazi party members, although a few were.
None participated in "human experiments". They were offered the opportunity to escape
the soviet army. They entered the United States as POW's. There were NO secret
identities. After a short while, all decided they wanted to become citizens, which presented
a legal difficulty due to the manner of entry into the States. They were taken (bused) to
Juarez, and all legally walked into the US to make a legal entry. They were not guarded
or coerced, as this was initiated by their own request. They became citizens.
Their contributions: US first ICBM's, NASA, space explorations.
The last of the Peenemuende Group retired from DOD Civil Service in 1980.
(35 years of service to his "adopted" nation.)
A few are still alive and go by their real names. They have earned a right to their privacy
and, fortunately, I have found their names unavailable online.


/\/ight\/\/ing



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 07:15 PM
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War criminals are not deserving of privacy. Rudolph committed heinous crimes, so I am not sure how you could say he was not nazi. He was not brought over as POW either; he was brough to military bases to help the US in rocket science. He was living free until the OSI turned up the heat, fortunately forcing him out of the States.

Klaus Barbie, a vicious war criminal, was brought over to help with intelligence.

Reinhard Gehlen was most certainly a nazi and again, brought over to help with intelligence.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:09 PM
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Well as an undergraduate biologist in a well known London University we used text books and papers that made use or directly mentioned Nazi High altitude studies on human subjects. I did feel a bit disturbed at that time (early 1980s).



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:20 PM
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Sorry, Folks, but Operation PAPERCLIP was the American effort to gather any and all German scientists from all "sonderburos," scientific research centers, and "specialiste arbieten groupen." This was a massive effort to collect everything from rocket technology to jet aircraft to advanced metallurgical alloys to information on plastics engineering to information on truth serums . It did include many groups of people that had, in fact, committed crimes during the Nazi regime, but was focused on all forms of technology, rather than a few key areas, as has been suggested above. At one point, over 20,000 U.S. troops were being secretly used by the commanders of this operation.



posted on Apr, 19 2010 @ 11:59 PM
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Gehlen was brought over as part of Paperclip; he was not a scientist.



posted on Apr, 20 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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Exactly!

www.wsws.org...



According to the Department of Justice Office of Special Investigations (OSI), the bureau assigned to investigate German war criminals living within the US, at least 10,000 Nazis entered the US between 1948 and 1952.Of the thousands of German Nazis who fled—or were brought—to the United States, only some 100 have been prosecuted by the OSI.


There were 1200 Nazi scientists brought over from Operation Paperclip -- focused on mind control and propulsion technology.



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