Originally posted by MorningStar8741
The judicial system does not work in secret laws that magically get left out of court documents.

I'm sorry, but yes they do. They also work under the "color of the law" and people's ignorance of the law.

It's people's ignorance of the laws that are in effect that allow them to get away with what they do.

I don't expect you to take what i'm saying at face value, which is why i have provided links to the threads so that you may read the information on your own and do your own research.

If what i say seems to you to negate the case that i'm making than i'm afraid that is caused by an inability on my part to explain it correctly. Hopefully you will read through the threads and the information will be put forth in a better light than i can manage.

I found an interesting article about this topic from one of my subscription library cites I use for work. Sorry about the extended quote--which I know ATS doesn't normally like--but only people who subscribe to the site can see the article.
Source information : Snooping on Allies Embarrasses U.S.by: Timothy W. Maier - author. Magazine Title: Insight on the News. Volume: 13. Issue: 38. Publication Date: October 20, 1997. Page Number: 9+.

Outrageous as it may be to Americans who believe in openness and fair play, this sort of thing has been done regularly by the Clinton team. What is new is that APEC appears to have involved leaking of national-intelligence information for political fundraising. Many embassies of the targeted nations asked if Insight knew who was compromised by the child-sex ring. No senior political leader was involved -- it was "secondary" people, such as assistants to those responsible for cutting trade deals, intelligence sources say. It still is unclear who provided the boys to the dignitaries, but Insight has learned that the alleged sexual activities occurred in rooms at the West Coast Vance Hotel in Seattle.

When Pete Shimondale, the general manager of the hotel, was asked by Insight about the sexual allegations, he responded, "Oh God. I didn't start here until 1994." He said authorities have not been out to question him or review records of hotel guests but declined to comment further.

The boys are believed to have been 15 to 17 years old. As shocking as this may be, some say it's routine. A former Bush economic adviser observes, "The sex? That's done all the time. If a foreign diplomat wants a companion, the State Department provides it. It doesn't matter if it's a man or woman. They have a special fund set up for that." Another former NSC official who requested anonymity says other countries also do it. "I was offered every sexual favor you can imagine. I turned it down all the time. After a while they left me alone and stopped offering me."

Government agencies alleged to be involved in this spying responded to Insight with carefully crafted half-denials and artfully dodged a series of questions with noncommittal answers. Confronted with questions about whether Navel Intelligence purchased or used electronic equipment from private consultants and suppliers for the operation, the first response by Navy spokesman Lt. Joe Walker was, "I don't know." But later Walker insisted, "The Navy was in no way involved in the bugging of hotels or restaurants. We did not purchase equipment."

The FBI, which first declined to comment, insisted after the story broke that "we used no physical surveillance at hotels or restaurants" and "we used no microphones" but repeatedly refused to say whether wire tapping or wireless surveillance took place. And the FBI says information regarding its agents taking kickbacks has been forwarded to the Bureau's national security office for investigation. Pressed to answer whether the FBI is denying that the operation happened, an informed agent replied, "Listen, I don't want to go to jail."

Told about the half-denials and vague responses, Insight's intelligence sources say that was to be expected. "But the bottom line," says a high official in the alleged operation, is this: "The FBI is lying. The FBI was there. Period. They used microphones."

The article continues after this but moves on to other covert operations using FBI surveillance during the Clinton Administration, so the above is the relevant information. If anyone wants the last few paragraphs of the article though i can add it if requested to do so.

[edit on 28/9/2008 by xtradimensions]

Going a little further back OT

I read this thread and am equally stunned at the lack of public awareness after reading many of the links and I remembered an incident from when I was living in New York City last year.

Someone a few posts back made excellent reference to the fact that these kids would now be 30's-40's and wandering around muttering about being raped by Reagan. One day on my morning commute to midtown on the A train two homeless guys were talking and one was talking about how there was a group of wealthy business men that would pay him to lure guys from the homeless shelter to a location where they would torture and murder the victim for their own amusement. He said it was really sick what they would do but they paid real well.

You know, I normally would have dismissed those types of stories but the more I thought about it the more plausible it seemed. I mean the homeless are societies invisible people, they could kill as many people as homeless as they want and nobody would every believe the stories of a homeless addict.

I guess my point is people seem to be able to believe there are sick 'lone nut' perverts but cannot accept that this horrid practice could be institutionalized and the scope of it seems too 'out there'.



I also had another thought on the tie in with drugs, organized crime and politicians. I read a book on money laundering where it said often obscure antiques are used to launder money because they can move through customs unnoticed. The average joe at any customs stop wouldn't know a $50 rug from a million dollar person heirloom. The same could be said for kids. The people moving these kids around may be effectively bartering with them. They are using them as human capital. As awful as it sounds these children have a moneytary value once pressed into these rings. If they claim to be traveling with Aunts and Uncles it would be very easy to move them around unlike large sums of cash.

I fear these perversions where part of what causes Democracy to fail.

When a guy gets elected, and partakes in these kind of things, he's compromised and has to swing their way or the pictures get released and he's toast.

I'm guessing, much to my dismay, that these kind of practices are rule rather then exception.

As to why they're not still remembered, I have but one explanation.

Media.. they control what most people think about. Not what they think per sé but the topics are all laid out for us. When they want a story buried, all they have to do is omit it from the homepage.

Maybe it being released had a political agenda, maybe the reporter and redactor came to the conclusion they had to rapport this or lose their integrity, and where cut short after it made the papers one day by management?

It can even still bé in the newspaper, on page 32, right next to the obituaries, but people as a whole tend to focus only on the cover, not the book.. sad but true in more then one respect.

I'm coming over to this thread, because I didn't know it was here when I posted mine and it is so horrid, all the information is. I can't believe that God will allow it for much longer,
but, at the same time, people wonder how He can send anyone to hell.

I haven't even looked over all the links on these pages(I have most of them!), but, it's enough for me to be (almost) overcome with sadness and anger. Thank God that we still even have ANYONE in our leadership that try to do good and help people, because the evil could be more widespread.
I've read so much tonight that my mind is sort of numb. This thread and the one by sizzle about the missing children.

Remember David and Goliath? That is what this sort of represents!
In the meantime let's pray for these children's lives and for those involved to have a TOTAL change of heart and let them go free and safe. To GIVE their LIVES for one last good thing! Don't hesitate, do it!


MY God is big enough for ANYTHING if we believe it!
That's all I will suggest for now, that and post here.
BTW,
I once knew a woman when I was a teenager with 11 personalities and she told me of satanic abuse and her being a young (13 years old) prostitute. I didn't know what to say to her and I didn't know of any of this. She didn't go into it in detail.

You know what?
I think it's appalling that a thread like this only gets a measly 11 FLAGS!


Maybe, people see this thread and go, "They're Bush-bashers."
NO!!! It involves Both democrats and republicans!

Maybe, it's not glamorous enough for some or it's too serious.


You know, when you go in wal-mart and you see the missing children on the wall, does that include 'runaways' from orphanages or foster homes?
Do 'runaways' get that kind of effort outside of their loved ones?

Does anyone here have experience with CPS taking children WITHOUT good cause, that took a long time to resolve or wasn't fixed at all?
Thank God, my only knowledge of DFACS or CPS was for good cause and they got their children back, but, at least one girl was molested. I took care of the four children, when the husband got them back and I was paid by DFACS for their care. The mother had been locking them up without food or toilets while the husband was at work!

[edit on 17-10-2008 by Clearskies]

Well CS yes i finally read it and to be honest this is no suprise considering most of DC is covered in satanic symbols and monuments. I think I heard about the Cathy Obrien case where she was molested by Hiliary Clinton but that was a long time ago.

What evil is is it's a complete deprevation of grace which means love. It's replaced by (lust) which infest the soul and so if it's true then those people are literally gievn themselves over to evil.

CS one thing we can look forward too, is that Jesus put goodness in the human soul. Good does exist, justice exist, and so that goodness comes from God and he will not let this go on much longer.

If the prophecies are correct we shall hit WW3 soon, and then antichrist, and then one world government, and then finally we will have Christ come back and bring peace.

Like alot of these people said, everybodies in the dark, they don't know what's going on, they see the surface, yet they are too shallow to actually do some reading and search for the truth, so most of the world will go along with antichrist and most of the world couldn't possible believe the government could actually do such a thing.


This is what we should do. FAST and pray for the government. Pray for their souls. I know when I was younger my grandma prayed for me and I was ruthless. I changed around and found love because of prayer and jesus.

you know that. So you never know how much prayer can help these souls and maybee if enough people fast and pray for the gov. they could possibly change around.

Evil makes me sick as hell. But there isn't much you can do about it except pray.

Pray beyond measure.

Just bumping this thread,
trying to spur discussion.
Here's the documentary, Sex Crimes and The Vatican;

Father Flanagan founded Boy's Town, where a lot of allegations came from in the Franklin case and others.

Google Video Link

[edit on 21-10-2008 by Clearskies]