Child sex ring at the White House, page 3
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reply posted on 17-9-2008 @ 12:28 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by Ionized


You have to admit that it does have lots of "crap" on it though. I think they might even do that just to muck it up but personally, I do not trust the internet all that much on its own but what a great tool to get you headed in the right direction sometimes.


reply posted on 17-9-2008 @ 12:42 AM by MorningStar8741
Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Well, as you know...
This entire case leaves me and you and many just frustrated. It leaves us with way more questions then answers...and seeing a light at the end of the tunnel seems hopeless.

You raise so many good questions.....and I dont even know how any of us would go about finding answers to:

*Where are those victims NOW
*Why isnt someone who knows the case well doing everything in their power to keep this alive....well, alive on the front page of papers and headline news....

Maybe the simple answer could be..........FEAR. People die when they want to reveal truth. Maybe some of these people arent ready to risk death yet. *shrug* Maybe they feel that people just wont believe them. The entire story and all its tenticles reaching out to deeper stories is just overwhelmingly horrifying....almost like some made up Hollywood movie....despite all the facts that it is true.



[edit on 9/17/2008 by greeneyedleo]


I am not disagreeing with your points at all. I think each one is valid...but

I mean, this was not a few kids in Podunk, Nebraska. This was the white house - covered all over the world.

People were arrested and charged, so there were many people that knew, judges, police, lawyers, etc.

It was in the paper, so at least one journalist knew about it, wrote it up, submitted it to the editor, the editor published it and the paper still came the next day so people read it.

And the part that really gets me, is the silence. Fear is a great tool with normal rational people on a certain level. If this is true, a multibillion dollar indusry stretching back at least 30 years...that is a lot of kids to be scaring.

Then there is also the fact that a great deal of sexual abuse victims do lose much of their sense or reality as the rest of us may know it. It is not hard to find a kid that was raped throughout developement that is now a damaged adult with a completely different sense of rationality. So I cannot help but think that if you take thousands of kids from their homes to sexually service the political elite...fear cannot work on all of them. Fear of what? Many people in that position would welcome death to the nightmare of memories. There must be one that would want to not see it happen again and is willing to risk death.

I guess it is just the scale and relevance of the people involved that has me so puzzled. All these answers would make sense to me about almost anything else. It just does not do it for me on this though. But that is just me.


reply posted on 17-9-2008 @ 12:48 AM by MorningStar8741
Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
Originally posted by MorningStar8741

This is the White House.


I agree, even though it was more recent, when Mark Foley (Member of the U.S. House of Representatives) the champion against child porn got caught sending sexual text message to an underage, male Congressional page it made a lot of news. It was in all the political magazines and even while some of those addressed past scandals linked to politicians they did not bring up the case the OP brought up. Why is Clinton getting oral sex in the White House talked about more than child sex rings existing in the White House? Now that is disturbing.

[edit on 17-9-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]


Great point. Mike Rogers had compiled a list of politicians that voted for anti-gay legislation that had been caught in gay scandals. The list has since been taken down and I still cannot find a copy but there must be one out there still, anyway. They were all currently seated politicians and the number of them that were involved in either prostitution, children, legal 15 yr olds, and force with other males was staggering. I mean it blew my mind that so many had been to court and convicted or had issued public appologies and nooone talked about it. In fact we still hear about Monica but none of these guys. Even if you did not know who they were before the fact that they were elected representatives engaging in such behavior and noone was talking about it just blows me away. That must be the answer. It is right in our faces and we ignore it, so why do we so easily let this stuff slip away?


reply posted on 17-9-2008 @ 12:52 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by Ionized



I guess what I meant is that no matter what your options are here, they are all far fetched in the nice America that I know and love but at least one of them must be true.

I keep thinking of the sexual nature of MKUltra programs and such and that makes sense but then again, I am lead back the scale of this child sex slavery ring and no brain washing program is 100% effective 100% of the time. Again, I see a very rational solution, but if this is true the way it is reported, the scale belies these solutions by just enough.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 12:01 AM by xtradimensions
Originally posted by MorningStar8741
But yes, you asked a rather chilling question. They would be in their 30's and 40's right? I mean we do not know exactly what age but if they were kids, that is a safe guess right? So where the hell are all these adults that were part of a washington sex ring?

It sounds really far fetched to think that but then again, so does all the rest of it. So if this level of depravity is possible....


I am not an expert on this subject by any means, but from what I have read about it, especially in relation to the Jonny Gosch case which I was interested in due to it happening not far from where I grew up, when the man believed to be Jonny Gosch supposedly returned to his mother's house as a grown adult, he told her that his life had been threatened if he ever came forward and admitted what had happened to him. Also, I read in relation to that case that there was speculation that these boys who were abducted and forced into the child prostitution ring were eventually forced to take part in the abduction and rape of other boys as they grew older. So, part of the implied control over the abductees seemed to be that by forcing these young men to victimize other boys they would forever be afraid to come forward with their stories for fear of prosecution themselves.

It's all a very, very sick tale and as much as I would like to believe none of it happens, the fact is there are very cruel, sick people in this world and to think that none of them are in positions of power is probably naive.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 12:28 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by xtradimensions


That would make sense, especially the part about forcing them to abuse as well except for the part that bothers me - They would need something completely full proof in order to keep it this quiet and I heard about Johnny about two weeks after he showed up at his moms house....so it is not working that well is it? You know what I mean. If it were so fool proof and so easy, then how come we still heard his story so quickly? And if his were able to get out despite these conditions, there would have to be many many more if they were just allowed to go home, I would think.



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reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 12:58 AM by chise61
Originally posted by MorningStar8741
Do you think it could possible be so sick that the missing kids all over walmart entrances and such, well not ALL, are taken into these sex rings and just using them until they have no use left for them and disposing of them?



Yes it could be that sick. Another possibility is that a lot of the children used for these sex rings are being taken out of their parents homes by the department of child services. A lot of children come up missing while in the "protective custody" of child services. There have been a lot of accusations stating that the department of child services is a major part of these child sex rings.


I think it was back in 2003 that the governor of Illinois created a special task force to find out what happened to the children that came up missing while in the custody of DCFS in Illinois, the numbers of missing children was outrageous. But like everything else it has been forgotten by most and swept under the rug.

As for what happens to these children, any number of things. It's not that hard for the rich and powerful to make people disappear. Some were probably brainwashed, some turned into junkies (who's gonna believe a junkie?), some could have been sold into child sex rings in other countries after they were finished with them here, and some were probably just "disposed of" .


Anyway thanks for the thread, i don't know why but i can't remember ever hearing about this white house connection before. I'm gonna check out the links and read up on this.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 01:08 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by chise61


I have heard this a few times before but I have never really seen anything real on it. Do you have any links or anything about the numbers of children that go missing like this, or what ended up happening with that investigation? I am just curious what it is that you have seen on it since I have never even heard anyone was looking into it.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 01:45 AM by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by chise61


I’ve also heard similar stories involving adoptions agencies, especially if one is adopting a child out side of the US. I don’t know if I believe it but when a few major child porn distributors were busted on the internet a few years ago (by Interpol I think?) two men involved were men who were completely single, lived in remote areas, and who adopted a girl each to sexually abuse and make a profit off of selling kiddy porn. It makes you wonder, especially since the check ups that were suppose to take place after these adoptions never happened and there are so many loving couples out there who have the money and means to adopt and it never works out in their favor.

This is a news story about one of those poor girls:
abcnews.go.com...



[edit on 18-9-2008 by rapinbatsisaltherage]


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 02:47 AM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Interesting. I have heard a little of this too but i guess my ethnocentric American attitude has made me dismissive of these tales of a girl here and there outside this country as opposed to huge rings running through the capital. But then I remember hearing stuff about legislation being passed that, once you dug through the layers, helped to keep the child sex trade alive in the Marianas Islands. I never did hear enough to really find out what legislation or what policy or whatever. But if each and every one of these little things is true, it does not seem that far of a stretch that these dots are all connected. I guess I was just hoping that this was more of a scandal that was put to a stop than a global conspiracy that reaches every dark shadow on the planet.

I will admit, I am partially drawn to this story because of the overwhelming homosexual factors in light of the people involved are always "anti-gay" voting politicians. There is something in the hypocrisy that entices me more. Sorry, I know it should be all about the kids and I try to remember that.

If so many politicians that vote against gay interests want lil boys for their sexual release, and adoptions centers the world over are in on selling kids for sex, then the possibilities of things I want not to be true just gets that much bigger.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 03:57 PM by rapinbatsisaltherage
Originally posted by MorningStar8741
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


I will admit, I am partially drawn to this story because of the overwhelming homosexual factors in light of the people involved are always "anti-gay" voting politicians. There is something in the hypocrisy that entices me more. Sorry, I know it should be all about the kids and I try to remember that.



I fully agree. I think it simply shows how contradictory human nature is. If you are involved in some crude manner of sexual acts with children you’ll probably be the anti-child porn guy. If you vote against gay rights you appear more likely to be secretly leading a sexual life style mirroring one you supposedly despise. If you are anti-corruption and take on the prostitution industry it seems you’re more likely to get caught with prostitutes. It makes you pay close attention to any politicians over zealous involvement in one particular issue.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 04:27 PM by greeneyedleo
reply to post by MorningStar8741



I will admit, I am partially drawn to this story because of the overwhelming homosexual factors in light of the people involved are always "anti-gay" voting politicians. There is something in the hypocrisy that entices me more. Sorry, I know it should be all about the kids and I try to remember that.

If so many politicians that vote against gay interests want lil boys for their sexual release, and adoptions centers the world over are in on selling kids for sex, then the possibilities of things I want not to be true just gets that much bigger.



Hypocrisy? Yes.

I think it is this way because they think it will take the light off them...meaning, they believe people will think "oh, they are an advocate of this or that so that means they would never be part of this or that". Sort of like reverse psychology.

I have to admit, then when I see politicans I always think to myself: "I wonder what kind of seedy behavior they are involved in secretly". How sad is it that I think that. *shrug*



reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 05:15 PM by chise61
reply to post by MorningStar8741


Here's the link for the Report of the Task Force of the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services www.iarf.org...


Scroll down to page 35, that's where they start actually talking about the children that were missing while in their custody. They don't really address any findings about where the children were though, as i stated earlier they basically swept it under the rug. They basically just address the issue of how to look for the missing children and how DCFS wasn't following their own protocal. They also seem to try and cover it up by saying that the majority of the missing children are runaways.



Between the years of 1993 - 2003 more than 14,000 children "ran away" while in the custody of DCFS. That seems like an awfully high numbers of runaways from one state agency to me. I find it hard to believe that all those children "ran away". But yet in everything i've come across so far they all seem to attribute all these missing children to "runaway" cases.



In September of 2003 DCFS in Illinois could not account for the whereabouts of 797 children in their custody ! I don't know about anybody else, but to me that's an extremely high number of missing children. Especially if you take into account that this is a government agency that was created to "protect" children. So they routinely forcefully remove these children from their parents to "protect" them and then proceed to loose them ! How do they defend that, how does a goverment agency created solely to "protect" children proceed to lose them ?



They said that girls between the ages of 14-16 are 1.5 - 2 times more likely to run away without returning than boys. Wonder why, could it be that girls are in higher demand than boys in sex rings, especially girls at that age ?



They also admitted that there was in fact a time period where DCFS specifically directed that there were to be no reports made to law enforcement or the National Center for missing and exploited children for some youths prior to 2/10/2003. Now why would they give a directive like that? Why would they not report missing children to the police, and why only some children? Could it be that they were involved in the cases of these missing children ? Could it be that they knew exactly where these children were and did not want the police to actively look for them, for fear that they might actually find them ?


It seems that all of these children gone "missing" while in the care of child services throughout the country came to light because of one little girl in 2002. A five year old girl named Rilya Wilson was discovered to be missing while in the custody of Child Services and people could not understand how they managed to lose a little 5 year old girl. That's when the Child Welfare League of America became involved and that's when it became apparent just how many children were "missing".


I can't provide the link for the Child Welfare League of America: Children's Voice Newsletter because it can't be reproduced or put on the internet without their permission. The URL that came up when i was reading it was, htpp://www.cwla.org/voice/0509children.htm if you can't find it using that URL just google, children missing while in the custody of DCFS in Illinois and scroll down to Child Welfare of America: Children's Voice Newsletter. They talk a little about Rilya Wilson and all the missing children in Illinois as well as other states. However even they make it appear as though they are runaways.


I believe there is another thread here where they bring up the possibility of Child Services being involved in these cases, when i find it i'll come back and post the link.


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 07:34 PM by chise61
reply to post by MorningStar8741


Here's a link to Sizzle's thread. Child Protective Services is talked about in this thread as well as other things.


www.abovetopsecret.com...


Scroll down to the third post, it's by Midnight DStroyer, he posts an excerpt from a law group from 1997 where they are talking about their belief that CPS is involved in the cases of many missing children. And how a ground crew member at an airport saw a plane ready to depart loaded with minors on it's way to Paris & then possibly Belgium. When he started to guestion the amount of children aboard the plane a woman flashed a badge and said Social Services.


They believe these children are being sold into slavery, used for drug running, prostitution, pornography, snuff films, and possibly being killed for live organs. That may help answer the question of what happens to these children when these people are finished with them. God knows a goverment agency would have the power to make them disappear. Who's gonna question a CPS worker putting kids on a plane to another country ?


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 08:41 PM by MorningStar8741
reply to post by chise61


Cool, thanks very much, I have some reading to go do. So, I was wondering today. There are a great many different types of people on ATS. Would anyone know realistically how one might go about tracking these kids down? Like the one in the "Conspiracy of Silence." film?


reply posted on 18-9-2008 @ 11:41 PM by chise61
reply to post by MorningStar8741


I haven't seen that documentary yet, so i'm not famaliar with the facts of it.


I sent you a U2U.


I hope the info i provide you with concerning the missing DCFS wards in Illinois was helpful. I've been trying to get more info about this for quite awhile now, as well as numbers for other states and it seem to be next to impossible. They seem to have buried this stuff real deep.

Oh check the thread that i gave you the link to. I know it's a long thread, but someplace in there Sizzle says that CPS in Texas was missing something like 250 children, it should be somewhere around pg 6 i believe, if not it's around the part where they talk about the CPS taking all those children from the polygamists compound.


reply posted on 20-9-2008 @ 11:11 AM by imd12c4funn
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to get him out of state and hope to settle this oat sewin' kid down so just about the time he sobered up a bit, the rest of the kids would have completed the tasks needed to set up a fireworks show on a scale never before attempted,

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so his elite guests invited to watch the show with him



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from themselves.
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