Truth is Buried at ATS... Anyone Digging?, page 2
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reply posted on 19-9-2008 @ 08:46 PM by Skyfloating
I hesitated posting this because it may sound odd, but here goes.

I believe my mind to be a filtering-device which is only able to perceive those things or is only drawn to those things or only attracted to those things which match my current mindset/attitude/belief-system.

In other words, "the truth" could be right in front of my nose, but I wouldnt notice it if Im not in the mindset/mood for it. Likewise, when logging-on in a different state-of-mind I will be attracted to and find different type of information.

In this sense, everyone will find the type of information that matches his/her mindset...that doesnt over- or underwhelm it. I think each and every reader will get what he/she "deserves", so to speak.

Intuition goes a long way in finding gems here. Ive spent a significant amount of time in the ATS-Archives running soley on hunches...with very satisfying results. Of course...if finding info is not my prime intention and I instead wish to boost my ego, make friends or bash someone, I cant expect to find those gems.

One thing I sometimes do when looking for specific information: I start a thread on the topic, providing as much information as I can and know, and then let the thousands of other readers and writers fill in the blanks for me. Thats called collaboration.

Being extremely choosy of what topics to pursue is also helpful.

In any case, isnt this place just a reflection of the way the entire world works in these times? Having several million options teaches us to narrow down, focus, decide.


reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 10:58 AM by primamateria

State's Trolls 'Push Back' Against Anti-U.S. Bloggers

By David Axe September 19, 2008 | 9:30:00 AM

Categories: Info War

The U.S. State Department is using a wide range of tactics to win over the populations of hostile countries such as Iran, according to James K. Glassman, Under Secretary For Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs. "We want to bring people together," Glassman said during a teleconference on Wednesday. He listed programs ranging from pro-democracy videos to inviting the Iranian national basketball team to play in Salt Lake City.

But one initiative he cited really stood out. State employs eight professional Internet "trolls" whose job it is to log onto blogs in unfriendly countries and "push back" against what Glassman says is misinformation about the U.S.

[T]hey enter into digital conversations online either on other people’s blogs or other websites. And they identify themselves as working for the United States Government ... [A]t times they will ... say, you know, that’s not accurate, here’s the truth about U.S. policy and here’s a link, you can go to America.gov, you can go somewhere else. They do this in Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, and by the way, we hope soon, in Russian.




blog.wired.com...

All part of full spectrum dominance and ATS would definitely be included in their efforts. While the article only talks about mild trolling, I'm sure it also relates to information recording, hacking, flaming and all the other standard cointel methods they use.

[edit on 2008-9-21 by primamateria]


reply posted on 21-9-2008 @ 03:49 PM by smallpeeps
I have investiagted TinWiki, and have found it to be much like wikipedia, and so I think this is going to help. I don't know why I haven't spent any tme there.

...Okay, so having given this a lot of thought, I am much more inclined toward the TinWiki talk: pages now, than toward ATS itself. A wiki page can be extended and even indented in heirarchical fashion, as opposed to this model. But the BBS-message board format allows compartmentalization of things, the wiki format is presumably more transparent and that is my desire, in regards to this idea of "Truth" as Pilate mused.

...My other obvious reason for arriving at this solution, is that the ads on TinWiki are far less obtrusive (just a google ad on the side) ...But does this mean that if people start posting to tiniwiki instead of here in ATS-threadland, the ATS heirarchy will suffer? I don't want to hurt anyone's dreams of financial independence in pursuit of truth.

But anyway, I wanted to find a solution, and I think I will work with this one for a while.

TinWiki

For example, at the link above, you'll see my TinWiki user:talk page, where we can continue discussing these events, in a non-threaded, limited way, perhaps even spatially or having users include graphics such as I have enjoyed doing in my posts (adding user file space for the free acounts is a great feature, and don't think I don't know that)



I would like to use this thread to encourage the use of TinWiki. If any Mod is reading, please change the title of this thread to the following:

"Truth is Buried at ATS: Start Digging."


...If everyone is amenable to that.

If anything, using TinWiki will make it easier for people to identify the obfuscators. The format allows so much more breadth of information to be posted. If every member of ATS works toward enriching that forum, I think much headway can be made.


[EDIT: Corrected link, check it out and post on my user talk page if you want, also make your own TinWiki page/account so you can begin to build your own web of connections.]

[edit on 21-9-2008 by smallpeeps]


reply posted on 8-2-2012 @ 03:44 PM by smallpeeps
Originally posted by W3RLIED2
Originally posted by smallpeeps
Wow, Gools got deleted?

Good thing some threads hang around so we can see who's been lost. What was the story there? U2U me if its heretical to discuss it out loud.

Anyway. Yeah.
edit on 8-2-2012 by smallpeeps because: RIP tinwiki


Looks like someone pulled it due to gools dumbassery. For a document archivist to be that insulting doesn't look good. Hopefully everyone with an ATS tag under their name isn't that ignorant.

Small peeps, this is a much needed topic. I have felt very much the same frustration almost to the point of being maddening! How many times are we going to remind people about the search function, and then low and behold a week later another repeat thread comes out? Not wanting to weed through a buch of BS and wanting someone else to do the work for you is very different. I wish the research forum was still active, but it seems most of the Scholars are no longer active with it. Something has to give.... ATS is getting pretty damn cluttered up lately.

EDIT!

My apologies, I was not referring to gools, I was referring to sensfan. Whose dumb post has not been removed from the first page of this thread.
edit on 8-2-2012 by W3RLIED2 because: Explained


Thanks W3RLIED2 I hear what you mean.

And a big thanks to Gools and anyone who disappears. Hope they get to come back and explain why all those replies and stars go ploop into the abyss.

Does ATS show up on the wayback machine? Well anyway, it's cool that they let the posts remain. ATS does value the sanctity of the thread. Other domains are not so good at it.

I miss tinwiki is the point of this thread. It was awesome. Tinwiki was the shovel with which we could have tried dig and create "superthreads" or whatever.

We really should identify the "superthreads" on the IP network. They need to be printed onto paper and filed in the libraries. As testaments to how stupid we were, or at least how stupid the automatic robot posters were. I mean if it's good software, probably it talks and replies like a human.

Can we at least identify the bots? That would require the domayzn to get together, because only they have the IP addresses and know the real from the fake, in the IP "battlespace", as they deem it. Only the owners can identify the bot-posters and they can't because this would end the age of fingerpuppets.

I for one, am all for free IP network I think tinwiki was a huge leap forward but I guess a mod could post as to why it got killed.
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