Originally posted by dooper

I once got the drop on twenty to twenty-five enemy soldiers, whose weapons and clothes were on the bank while they were bathing and grab-assing. I didn't hesitate, and with a fellow helping, we laid into them with everything we had. No mercy, no warning, no survivors. Had the situation been reversed, I assure you they would have done the same.

Originally posted by dooper


For centuries, the Arabs did nothing with the land, and existed in a state of poverty. The Israeli's come along, and even went to the trouble of purchasing much of the land from Palestinians. And Israel has made the country blossom. They produce. They work. They are industrious. They have converted the previously unproductive wasteland into very productive farmland. Look at the non-Israeli areas around them. It's crap.

They both want Israel wiped off the map.

I don't give a hoot in hell if you want to admit it or not. That doesn't change the fact that they want Israel wiped out. And if Israel uses preemptive strikes for survival, more power to them.

A person or group threatens me and then just points a weapon in my direction, well, you just left yourself open to attack, and your blood be on your own head. It's just the way of the world, and it will never, ever change. That's my whole point in this discussion. No right, no wrong, just natural selection.

Originally posted by dooper
I never said it's OK for 500,000 to die. I said it's better (given a choice between the two) that 500,000 die today than 52,000,000 spread over the years 1939-1945. You keep wanting a third choice.

I'll give you a real eye-opener. When a man sets out to kill you and has armed himself to do just that, you concept of, "respect for one'self is a greater power than anything else" is a load of horsecrap.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Israel was established in 1948 on the territory of British Palestine mandate (minus what became Jordan in the first Jewish/Arab land devision). As a response to declaration of Independence - after UN mandate - war was declared on Israel by all its neighbors and Arabs of Palestine. This war was brutal, lot of stuff that happened is defined by "war crime" - but by both sides. Lands that were lost by Israel - also had its own refugees (Jewish) and massacres. Just Israel did not "preserved" those people in refugee camps, as leaders of Arab countries did to their brothers. So to blame one side in crimes that both committed is not correct. Also, UK was attacked both by Israel and by Arabs. Both sides blame it for helping the other. I guess that means they tried to stay neutral. As for taking homes - indeed, in lot of places. Not all, by far. As for massacre - in few cases, isolated. So it is false generalization.

Really? I wonder then why Palestinians divided them self in two states, then. It was supposed to be Israel and Palestine but because all those "freedom" fighters can do is fight - they even fight among themself and got tiny amount of land divided between them self too.

Even lousy economy that was there when Israel occupied those territories is eaten up by those destructive forces - so to blame this really awful poverty on Israel alone is unjust. Palestinians made their choices

- intifada instead of peace in 2000, and current subhuman conditions in Gaza (much worst then under Zionists that according to you treated those people as dogs) is direct result of wrong choice. Israel is there and not going to vanish - despite threats from Iran. Large part of Palestinian population allows itself to be dragged into constant conflict without any solution at all. I understand that you are ok with this - but then you too have no empathy to those people. Just hatred to Israel.

"Technically" freedom fighters is nice description. If freedom is what they want - it could be achieved decade ago.

First actions of those "freedom" fighters - brave things like gunning down hospital staff in Jerusalem or wiping out Jews in Hebron and other similarly brave things - were done before Israel was established. Whose freedom they defended then, and from whom? Actually those guys do not want freedom.

but on the fact that war is not answer in most cases. I am not that sure that it is an answer to Iranian situation - might be and might be not. But i do not trust all the "Israel will attack tomorrow/next week/month" posts. There is still time and nobody from our politicians wants to take this hot potato.

I personally see no respect to Israel from Iran, Hizbollah,Hamas. Why then Israel needs to show respect to people that call for its destruction?
p.s. - Unrelated to this post:
As regenmacher's post continuation - today US radar arrived to Israel. It will be serviced by US personal. Now IF Israel will attack Iranian facilities - it can no longer do so without direct US agreement - airspace was important but it is more. US personal can get hurt in Iranian response on Israeli soil and it is major factor. I personally not sure if it is good/bad ,can deepen the conflict or disarm it. However it is a fact.

Originally posted by dooper



And Mind . . . you don't deserve an answer. Your arguments are so off-center, so blindingly irrational, and so immature that I don't feel compelled to further your education.

Maybe in a couple years when your pubes come in, you can come back and speak like an adult on topic like this.

You just hate Jews. You hate Americans. You have no grasp of history, nor the concepts that can be learned by studying history. Grow up.

Originally posted by dooper
Picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil?

Is not picking the lesser of two evils - good?

If it's all the same then more destruction and death is good! At least according to you.

Thank God for idiots. It assures the survival and success for the rest of us.