Phoenix is an inside job, page 1
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Topic started on 14-9-2008 @ 03:03 PM by Aninsidejob
Since on Mars the atmosphere is 135 times less dense than the Earth's one, this video

youtube.com...

is a biggest fraud.
Phoenix would cause no friction, no flame, no braking.
Its parachute would not open.
Phoenix would crash against hard Martian soil at 20,000 kmph

[edit on 14-9-2008 by Aninsidejob]


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 06:07 PM by Smugallo


Yeah, plus here's the photo from the Mars Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter of it deploying it's parachute.


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 06:22 PM by philjwolf
reply to post by Aninsidejob



yeah.. your right.. the phoenix never went to mars.. we never did make it to the moon .... the international space station is a fake too... I told some of those guys that work down in nasa... that they could never pull a conspiracy like that off.. but they wouldnt believe me... now that you caught them..what are you gonna do??? I mean.. my god.. what will happen... ?? the american people will probably burn the place down.. when they find out?? maybe we can get our money back at least..


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 06:38 PM by ArMaP
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I never thought of that, but that list could be back-tracked for some time, until we reached the point where it would be "we never discovered America".


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 10:59 PM by ngchunter
reply to post by Aninsidejob



Videos showing parachute deployment at high altitude and supersonic speed, simulating a martian level of atmospheric pressure. Parachute has no problems deploying and braking the payload:
lisar.larc.nasa.gov...
lisar.larc.nasa.gov...


reply posted on 15-9-2008 @ 03:48 PM by Aninsidejob
www.youtube.com...

Stop the movie at 46 seconds.

Have they tested Phoenix with cables?

Haven't they tested Phoenix on the ground at Lockheed Martin facility?


reply posted on 15-9-2008 @ 03:53 PM by ArMaP
Originally posted by Aninsidejob
you can easily notice that parachute is not much larger than one would typically find being used on Earth.
According to
this page, the parachute has a diameter of 11.8 metres.

It also says that "Phoenix will deploy its parachute at about 12.6 kilometers (7.8 miles) in altitude and at a velocity of 1.7 times the speed of sound.", but it does not say if it's the speed of sound on Earth or on Mars.


reply posted on 15-9-2008 @ 04:26 PM by Aninsidejob
www.nasa.gov...


NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander will parachute for nearly three minutes as it descends through the Martian atmosphere on May 25, 2008. Extensive preparations for that crucial period included this drop test near Boise, Idaho, in October 2006.

The parachute used for the Phoenix mission is similar to ones used by NASA's Viking landers in 1976. It is a "disk-gap-band" type of parachute, referring to two fabric components -- a central disk and a cylindrical band -- separated by a gap.
Phoenix parachute has a smaller diameter (11.8 meters)


Phoenix is an inside job. That 11.8 meters parachute has been tested in our atmosphere BUT MARTIAN ATMOSPHERE IS 135 TIMES LESS DENSE.

That parachute would not open on Mars like Twin Towers could not collapse that way.

Also Phoenix that lands on Mars that way is an inside job. Investigate


reply posted on 15-9-2008 @ 05:34 PM by ArMaP
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I should have started by asking this, but I think it's still time for asking it.

What do you mean by "an inside job"?



reply posted on 16-9-2008 @ 01:59 PM by Aninsidejob
Originally posted by jra
ngchunter has linked to videos that show the opposite of what you claim.


Those videos are fake animations.

This is instead real:



They have tested the parachute in our atmosphere close to the ground where it is much more dense
They are greatest hoaxers, greatest boasters that think all the people are idiot.
Phoenix is an inside job because it never went outside. At Lockheed Martin website you can see Phoenix artistic fake images only
Haven't they tested Phoenix on the ground really?
And yet it would have had to land on Mars automatically. It is an incredible enterprise, so incredible that only simpletons believe it is possible.


reply posted on 16-9-2008 @ 02:57 PM by rocksolidbrain
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Ya, its an animation, the description says it loudly and clearly :

JPL Mission Control during Phoenix landing on Mars, inter-cut with landing animation.


So one should not give any importance to the claim of someone who can't see what it is.
Although, JPL has done a big mistake. They shouldn't have blended the animation with real footage of control room staff. This would confuse common people. So I don't blame the OP here


reply posted on 16-9-2008 @ 05:07 PM by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by Aninsidejob



aninsidejob -- Do I know you?...your posting style seems very familiar, especially this part of your post:
And yet it would have had to land on Mars automatically. It is an incredible enterprise, so incredible that only simpletons believe it is possible.


Anyway, do you have proof that ncghunter's videos are fake -- I'm talking about the videos showing the parachutes being tested very high in the Earth's atmosphere (where the atmosphere is very thin).

[edit on 9/16/2008 by Soylent Green Is People]
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