posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 01:06 AM
To Isispriest (continued)--
You said: "How about, as has been mentioned, 250,00 civilian deaths in Chili, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and El Salvador by right wing death squads and
military supported and armed by USA because peasants wanted land or a fair wage or safe mines, 73 to 93. Call them commies because they want to break
up the feudal banana plantations and let some peasants have some land. Dole Fruit Co. doesn't like it so the USA supplies weapons to thugs to murder
innocents, nuns, priests, trade unionists, university students by the thousands!"
After 20 years, these claims of evil "right wing death squads" in Central America still amaze me. I can't speak about Chile or Guatemala, but I DO
have a smattering of first hand knowledge about Nicaragua and El Salvador. I barely made it out of Nicaragua alive in July of 1979. Those peaceful
LEFT wing death squads, intoxicated with their victory I suppose, were executing folks at border checkpoints. I had to sneak across Rio Coco in the
night to avoid it. That was in what was then Departmento Zelaya, now called Regio Autonoma Altlantico del Norte. You forgot to mention the forced
relocation of thousands of Miskito indians into manageable communes by the Sandinistas, and the fact that this caused huge refugee camps across the
Rio Coco in Honduras, preceipitating the Contra War. That's how your "peasants" got their land. Individual land ownership was outlawed at the time,
and collectives, forced if necessary, were the rule of the day. Could it be that the only "First Nations" you "care" about are those you can use
to promote your cause? I guess they got their Dole Fruit Company land, whether they wanted it or not. In the 1980's, El Salvador was "the cause". I
was in Morazon, where the actual guerillas were. I was surprised to get back home and read about "right wing death squads" in the newspapers. Can
someone tell me where they were? San Salvador maybe. perhaps these death squads were afraid to go where there be dragons, for fear they might get
hurt. If so, then the press feared the place too, and just reported from San Salvador. I saw no "right wing death squads" at the sharp end. I DID
see guerillas "drafting" campesinos, who just wanted to be left alone to farm. We DID intercept M16 rifles being smuggleed across Golfo de Fonseca
from Nicaragua into Morazon, to the guerillas. US made M16's. When the serial numbers were traced, it was found that the rifles in question were some
of those left behind by the US in Vietnam. Bet you never read about that in the papers here. Go figure.
"Free to be a wage slave and pay 3 to 4 times the value of a home in interest. Free to create a small business and cutthroat compete with your
neighbour to afford inadequate health insurance."
Yes. Free to do so, or not, as the inclination strikes. I believe being a "wage slave" (without wages, how do you get your money up there?) is
preferrable to being an "owned" slave. As a wage slave, I can walk off this plantation any old time I please.
There was more, but I just can't bring myself to subject the board to it. I did find points where I agreed with you, but I'm afraid my generally
disagreeable nature took control of me. My main point was that your opinions appear to have been formed in front of a TV, and mine weren't. This does
not, of course, invalidate your views. I respectfully submit that you ought to at least be able to entertain the notions of crazy old coots who, for
all our irrationality, have been there, done that, and checked it off. Might be part of the cause of our irrationality.
To the board in general: anyone that I put to sleep with all this rambling, should wake up and go to bed now. It's been a long day.