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Conspiracy to Split up the U.S.

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posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Bruxfain;

My apologies for thinking that "the wages of sin is death" and "escorted in hancuffs by demons" struck me as being religous. Why do people die? According to you it is because their soul was not clean enough. If your post was not about religion then come out and state it without the religous comparisons. I at least had the fortitude to say what I believe without the mumbo-jumbo b.s.

Now if you have not served your country then you have no standing when you say I am part of the conspiracy that is destroying this country. If you have served then you have my respect and can think whatever you want.




posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by Dan5647
My name is Daniel Harris. I am a 19 year old Republican. I believe in God and Creationism. I know there are many Democrats and Independents that use this forum who probably hate me for what political party I'm with.


First of all you make a blind assumption that only republicans are religious people. Untrue! Second why do you assume people will hate you for your views. If you feel strong about your beliefs then don't let other opinions bother you. Everyone has a right to his/her opinion as controversial(and perhaps ignorant) as it may be.


Originally posted by Dan5647
Bad change will happen in this country if we don't stop fighting each other. I am P.O.ed
because there are people who live in this great country who have no agenda but to split us up and no one wants to stop them. They are fear mongers, anarchists, and crazies with no purpose but to hate this country and to consume up our resources in return.
Very shameful. I believe the United States is the best darn country that ever existed on this planet and without democracy, we wouldn't have any freedom or rights. What do you guys think?


Do you realise that since "President" Bush got elected 7+ years ago the "good ole usa" is much worse than it was prior to his election? The american and world economy is in free-fall and will likely worsten before getting better; two wars got started; terrorist attacks were encouraged or at the very least allowed to happen; military and goverment spending is out of control; a new cold war with china/russia is imminent as america is insisting to have defensive weapons installed in poland, czech republic and turkey; the dollar keeps sinking; oil prices have skyrocketed; the enviroment is constantly being neglected in favor of "big bussiness"; people living abroad losing 1/2 their social security due to republican intervention(which affects my family); a potential conflict with Iran and North Korea.... is my list long enough or should I keep adding?!

Call it bad luck or incompetence but all I know is that these people have done little to nothing to gain acceptance/respect and done everything in their power to make america hated. If you think the people who critcise bush are wrong perhaps you should take a trip to europe and debate these topics with them. Be forewarned however that it may be a little unpleasent for you to the point were you will consider lieying about your nationality.

If you think democrats(which I don't particulary care for) are the ones behind this mess then I cannot help but disagree with you as you could not possibly be further from the truth.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by capgrup
Bruxfain;

My apologies for thinking that "the wages of sin is death" and "escorted in hancuffs by demons" struck me as being religous. Why do people die? According to you it is because their soul was not clean enough. If your post was not about religion then come out and state it without the religous comparisons. I at least had the fortitude to say what I believe without the mumbo-jumbo b.s.

Now if you have not served your country then you have no standing when you say I am part of the conspiracy that is destroying this country. If you have served then you have my respect and can think whatever you want.


If my terms were religious its because I didn't feel it was necessary to reinvent the wheel and create a whole new lexicon. But religion specifically refers to an institution and I don't belong to any religious institution.

Anyhow. People die because they have given themselves and sometimes their children over to death, then death comes at a time of its own choosing. To give oneself over to death is as simple adopting the beliefs and/or living the lifestlye of the dead or as real as openly commiting oneself to goals of death.

I can imagine that some people don't even know what they have agreed to until death is upon them and they never have the opportunity to tell their tale.

Some of the daughters of America made a pact with death (everyone outside of this country apparently knows this) and they in turn, in collaboration, with our enemies, brought death and war into our house. That's probably why they are made to watch the destruction of their kids.

After a whole generation of sons with dead fathers grew up in the homes of single mothers, death came back to finish its work. Once again War erupted. But this time the sons of America fought back and their sisters fought with them and threw death down.

As far as fighting with the military is concerned, that is not my role. I am Fain, most of these people in this country are my offspring. Noone has been here longer, noone has bled more than me.

To split up the United States, you MUST split up the American household. One implies the other. In general the Bible is only trying to communicate that humanity is a single family, when someone says they don't believe in the Bible they are saying by implication that they also can be convinced that humanity is not a single family and it is therefore no big deal to rape women or kill children because they are different from you. Because I've never murdered anyone I know that noone connected to me has murdered anyone.

As far as party politics only one party, as far as I can see, is currently trying to put the son of a foreign nation into the White House, to be successful they first have to break up and change the composition of the American household.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by bruxfain]



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by Gun Totin Gerbil
I think this is the work of a democrat mastermind . A lot of stereotypical checks of a republican right wing type are ticked off right from the start but they are accentuated and made to look even worse. This is a false flag kind of thing, right ?


Great observation. But to the truly observant individual, it is not hard to see that the republican party and democratic party are nothing more than cartels at their highest level. When they oppose, it is generally for the benefit of those controlling the parties, IMO; which makes it amusing and entertaining to watch them playing their games.

This certainly could be a game... then again, there really are more individuals who are very ignorant and easily brainwashed... otherwise we wouldn't be living under a 2 in 1 party system in this country



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
This certainly could be a game... then again, there really are more individuals who are very ignorant and easily brainwashed... otherwise we wouldn't be living under a 2 in 1 party system in this country


Here within lies the problem. Great observation!

Very few people are inheritantly stupid but unfortunately we are being brainwashed with so much disinfo that distinguishing reality from fabrications is a chore in itself. Few people can afford spending 4-5 hours a day cross-checking news/facts and thus they take everything at face-value.

Where you live is also very important because it influences your opinions and makes you bias. If you live in one country and never travel abroad then your government is always right and everyone else's is always wrong. Back in the 30's, Hitler did an excellent job in proving that propaganda can be believable if certain conditions are ripe. The great depression was certainly a major catalyst in WW2 as were other lessser known "classified" factors.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 06:31 PM
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And the brainwashing works in many directions. Europe, Asia and Africa have all destroyed themselves in the past 70 years and America hasn't even come close the the utter destruction these people have brought upon themselves.

Now they think its time we learned the lesson they had to learn. So you've got these well traveled people who live in worlds that are built upon heaps of ruin stacked up for thousands of years and for some reason they're over here to explain to us what it is that we don't understand.

Look closely at their way of life and the American way of life, they despise this place because we work. they think. a thought doesn't taste too good on a bun.

This War was an attempted armed robbery and murder; America was the intended victim. They didn't realize that we don't do the victim role over here. They're to busy running their mouths to realize they can just as easily end up having their world vaporized in a nuclear holocaust as we can. And I won't lose any sleep about it. You should really consider yourselves lucky that Bush and Cheney are in the Washington, there are many others that wouldn't have dealt with these jackasses in the world with such gentleness.They really need to check themselves hard before it's too late.

We really need a hot head in the White House; someone that knows how to hit someone in their mouth when they are out of line. I am so getting tired of hearing what visitors to my country think.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by bruxfain]



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Everyone in or associated with the military supports the war ! Duh....all think the same and most are republicans. People in the military have spoken out about it and have either been jailed or quit because of their beliefs.

OPEN YOUR MIND !!!! please for the sake of yourself and Humanity OPEN YOUR MIND !
You stated we went there for WMD's and the Husseins evil regime.
Well we didn't find any WMD's and Hussein is dead and his regime is gone.
So please tell me then why we are still there? please read what I said and think about it the facts I just stated before you post.

By the way I would post more but my computer is broke and for some reason I've tried every password I could have used and it hasn't let me log in in like a month or too. I'm not some random my username is LucidDreamer85.
How can I re-access my password or start a new one.? sry for straying from the orig topic but I can't stand waiting 12 hours in between posts



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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Not that it's terribly relevant, but this is my first post. I was initially going to reply and make one point, but now I've got a couple things I'd like to address.

1) Dan: I think you got a little more than you bargained for by posting on this forum. I'm not even sure you'll be back... I believe your initial point was that this country is being "Split up". However, you never really explained what you meant by this. You later retreated to a smaller point about the price of oil contrasted with the cost of gasoline, which is a different topic altogether. Although many folks here have tried valiantly, I don't think anyone can really intelligently reply to your initial post since you never really defined what you meant by "Split up". Civil war? States seceding from the union? People having divided views? I'm not even sure it's worth going back to redefine what you meant at this point. Once a thread is 5+ pages long and has meandered off topic like this one has, it's nearly futile. However, feel free to try to redefine what you meant, because it was utterly lost on me.

2) Bruxfain: Your posts, which initially seemed like they'd be on topic (you mentioned agreeing with Dan RE: the country being divided) quickly devolved into some kind of holier-than-thou spiritual views of sinners deserving death and inviting it into our homes, and then you went WAY overboard with your assertion that you have cracked the very reason people die (they bring it on themselves, of course!) and then, and this is a real kicker: "I am Fain, most of these people in this country are my offspring. Noone has been here longer, noone has bled more than me. " WTF do you even mean by that? If you really expect anyone to take anything you say seriously after a statement like that, then you are just as cracked as you come off. Make a point that is on topic please - and if you feel you were on topic, then clarify yourself, because you come off like a zealot, not someone who wants to intelligently debate this issue (whatever the issue even IS - see my first point above).

To get to my final point, this thread either needs to get way, WAY back on topic, or it should just be locked, because it's evolving into 1) other people's best guess at what the OP meant (and most of you have done a good job at least trying to decipher that point), or 2) pseudo-religious zealotry that has, IMHO, little to do with this topic at all. I realize I am walking a fine line here, and that this post may get removed, but FFS, cmon already.


In closing: Dan - if you can make your point more clear, it could be intelligently addressed. If you don't understand what I am saying, don't bother, and just let the thread die a slow death.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Nexroth
Not that it's terribly relevant, but this is my first post. I was initially going to reply and make one point, but now I've got a couple things I'd like to address.

1) Dan: I think you got a little more than you bargained for by posting on this forum. I'm not even sure you'll be back... I believe your initial point was that this country is being "Split up". However, you never really explained what you meant by this. You later retreated to a smaller point about the price of oil contrasted with the cost of gasoline, which is a different topic altogether. Although many folks here have tried valiantly, I don't think anyone can really intelligently reply to your initial post since you never really defined what you meant by "Split up". Civil war? States seceding from the union? People having divided views? I'm not even sure it's worth going back to redefine what you meant at this point. Once a thread is 5+ pages long and has meandered off topic like this one has, it's nearly futile. However, feel free to try to redefine what you meant, because it was utterly lost on me.

2) Bruxfain: Your posts, which initially seemed like they'd be on topic (you mentioned agreeing with Dan RE: the country being divided) quickly devolved into some kind of holier-than-thou spiritual views of sinners deserving death and inviting it into our homes, and then you went WAY overboard with your assertion that you have cracked the very reason people die (they bring it on themselves, of course!) and then, and this is a real kicker: "I am Fain, most of these people in this country are my offspring. Noone has been here longer, noone has bled more than me. " WTF do you even mean by that? If you really expect anyone to take anything you say seriously after a statement like that, then you are just as cracked as you come off. Make a point that is on topic please - and if you feel you were on topic, then clarify yourself, because you come off like a zealot, not someone who wants to intelligently debate this issue (whatever the issue even IS - see my first point above).

To get to my final point, this thread either needs to get way, WAY back on topic, or it should just be locked, because it's evolving into 1) other people's best guess at what the OP meant (and most of you have done a good job at least trying to decipher that point), or 2) pseudo-religious zealotry that has, IMHO, little to do with this topic at all. I realize I am walking a fine line here, and that this post may get removed, but FFS, cmon already.


In closing: Dan - if you can make your point more clear, it could be intelligently addressed. If you don't understand what I am saying, don't bother, and just let the thread die a slow death.


and you just opened an account for what reason. Troll somewhere else.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 09:41 PM
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and you just opened an account for what reason. Troll somewhere else.


I just opened an account because this is the first time I've wanted to post. How would you know how long I've been a reader here?

Your accusation of trolling simply skirts the issues, and is quite frankly the oldest jab in the book to take at someone on a forum, other than accusing them of flaming. In other words, I'm not worthy of posting since I'm new.

Again, more off topic garbage to get away from the OP.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 09:58 PM
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Do I have some kind of special monitor or something? The date you joined is listed under you name on the left. That is today's date?

I got off the topic because someone wanted to know why I think people die. I said they die because they've got it coming. A lot of stuff happens to people because they've got it coming. Lehman had it coming. Elliot Spitzer had it coming. A lot of people who live in this world got it coming and they know why. Because they are participating in a conspiracy to destroy the United States, like the OP mentioned. And they've got less than 28 days left to run their mouths. The sign that its going down will probably be the movie "Shoot em Up".

People die because they are somewhere they don't belong, screwing around with people that they shouldn't be screwing around with. A nation will only put up with so much and then you'll get both barrels.

I act holier than thou because I am holier than thou. you have about 1 month to prove me wrong. and then you will learn exactly what my rants are about.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by justamomma
Great observation. But to the truly observant individual, it is not hard to see that the republican party and democratic party are nothing more than cartels at their highest level. When they oppose, it is generally for the benefit of those controlling the parties, IMO; which makes it amusing and entertaining to watch them playing their games.

This certainly could be a game... then again, there really are more individuals who are very ignorant and easily brainwashed... otherwise we wouldn't be living under a 2 in 1 party system in this country


To be honest, I only called it a Democrat Mastermind as that was the easiest analogous opposition type I could think of . I am in the belief that both parties are just two heads of a hydra attached to the same body of corporate greed.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by bruxfain
I am Fain, most of these people in this country are my offspring. Noone has been here longer, noone has bled more than me.


Are you speaking symbolically or something? I don't understand what you mean. Are you Adam?


When someone says they don't believe in the Bible they are saying by implication that they also can be convinced that humanity is not a single family and it is therefore no big deal to rape women or kill children because they are different from you.


What!?


Care to elaborate?



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by bruxfain
I am Fain, most of these people in this country are my offspring. Noone has been here longer, noone has bled more than me.


Are you speaking symbolically or something? I don't understand what you mean. Are you Adam?


When someone says they don't believe in the Bible they are saying by implication that they also can be convinced that humanity is not a single family and it is therefore no big deal to rape women or kill children because they are different from you.


What!?


Care to elaborate?


1. I'm Brux. Adam fell.

2. From my point of view, as Brux, all of humanity is a single family, my family, my kids. Like the past I am now faced with a situation where I have to defend my kids by my wife from my kids by the serpent; This is really becoming like a broken record. And this time, everyone will stand down and keep their mouths shut because I am tired of hearing about it.

The OP brought up the topic that something was trying to split up the U.S. and I saw this very thing in great detail and know it to be true. But the ones who are responsible for it are my offspring by the other woman, who decided to whore herself and speak all kinds of lies about me because she didn't feel I paid enough child support and that's what makes this whole affair such a pain in the butt.

So, If a person doesn't accept the Bible to be true then they will soon find themselves standing on the wrong side of the battlefield. The Cross is far too strong to be broken and nothing can stand against it. Ask Al Qaeda or any associated group of fools; they'll tell you.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by Dan5647
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"Neat and Pefect reality" ARE YOU NUTS?

People getting killed is definitely not my reality! Since when is killing people logical? Talking about people getting killed, is that normal to you?

No, the reasons why we went there is what Bush and Powell stated: the WMDs, and the evil regime of Saddam Hussein.

My dad supports this war and he's 51 (20 years in the air force). You don't think he knows better?


Funny you should bring that up. My father has been in Afghanistan 4 times now over the course of 3 years, and has been in the air force for 20 years as well, although he's only 42, I think he has a bit more experience than you father. My dad is also a WMD specialist. He's not allowed to tell us anything, but I can tell you we know they do NOT have WMDs.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 11:47 PM
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OK man, fair enough. I take back "zealot" and replace it with "enthusiast".

I was just a bit thrown off when the topic went from the OP to various inquiries to Dan requesting clarification (it never was really clarified) to your point about anyone anti-bible being wrong/deserving death/etc and how it related to the vague OP.

I am not anti-bible/anti-Christian, but going down that path is an altogether different topic. I guess I will summarize your view of the OP as being those who are anti-bible/anti-Christian are the root of the problem in this country (the problem that was never defined clearly by the OP) - fair 'nuff...I guess. I respectfully disagree, as you're applying a religious/spiritual reason for why our country is in the pooper, and that further alludes that our country somehow has divine providence over all other countries...and since we have freedom of religion in the US, your suggestion that anyone who is anti-bible/anti-Christian is the root of the problem is antithetical to what this country is all about, IMHO. Ever hear of the term "melting pot"?

I respect your right to an opinion, I just don't agree with your theologically biased conclusion.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by billyjoinedat2k8
I dont understand how can this not be true ofcourse it can happen open your mind a bit and deny ignorance.

theyre only theyre for oil i think most people know that now its pretty obvious and right now american soldiers and british soldiers are invading Iraq and Afghanistan for the oil not to bring down the terrorists.



where is the oil? can you trace even a single stolen barrel? I don't think you can.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by bruxfain

1. I'm Brux. Adam fell.


Hi Brux. So can I infer you have not 'fallen' then? And then by implication (and your earlier declaration that "im am holier than thou") that you are some divine being? An angel of God?


where I have to defend my kids by my wife from my kids by the serpent;


The serpent being Satan? Or non-Bible believers?...


And this time, everyone will stand down and keep their mouths shut because I am tired of hearing about it.


What?


But the ones who are responsible for it are my offspring by the other woman, who decided to whore herself and speak all kinds of lies about me because she didn't feel I paid enough child support and that's what makes this whole affair such a pain in the butt.


Let me get this straight: Most of this Country is your offsping from an affair you have had with this women in this lifetime? Eh?

So I thought you were protecting your children from the Serpent. That equates to sending some child support?


So, If a person doesn't accept the Bible to be true then they will soon find themselves standing on the wrong side of the battlefield.


Which I look forward to. See you on the battlefield.


The Cross is far too strong to be broken and nothing can stand against it. Ask Al Qaeda or any associated group of fools; they'll tell you.


Right. You're an extremist. A total Christian fundamentalist. I get it.

My question was specifically about this statement of yours:


When someone says they don't believe in the Bible they are saying by implication that they also can be convinced that humanity is not a single family and it is therefore no big deal to rape women or kill children



[edit on 16-9-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by Nexroth
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OK man, fair enough. I take back "zealot" and replace it with "enthusiast".

I was just a bit thrown off when the topic went from the OP to various inquiries to Dan requesting clarification (it never was really clarified) to your point about anyone anti-bible being wrong/deserving death/etc and how it related to the vague OP.

I am not anti-bible/anti-Christian, but going down that path is an altogether different topic. I guess I will summarize your view of the OP as being those who are anti-bible/anti-Christian are the root of the problem in this country (the problem that was never defined clearly by the OP) - fair 'nuff...I guess. I respectfully disagree, as you're applying a religious/spiritual reason for why our country is in the pooper, and that further alludes that our country somehow has divine providence over all other countries...and since we have freedom of religion in the US, your suggestion that anyone who is anti-bible/anti-Christian is the root of the problem is antithetical to what this country is all about, IMHO. Ever hear of the term "melting pot"?

I respect your right to an opinion, I just don't agree with your theologically biased conclusion.


I don't think you deserve death if you don't believe that the bible is true, I think that you will most likely die, as you will become more open to things that are certainly not true. Usually, a person who rejects or accepts with alteration, the contents of the Bible become more likely to adopt philosophies such as racism, nationalism, monetarism, sexism, all flavors of political ideologies, humanism, atheism, etc.; which are all wrong. Another thing, I never once promoted a religion which is a consistent charge about me in many of the posts I've replied to. I think the Bible can be read just as it is, a compilation of literature not much different from 1001 Arabian Nights or The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. When a person can understand the bible, every other work of literature becomes clearer.

Because I have read the bible (I don't read it much anymore) I know that this country is not in the "pooper", it only appears so to people who have a limited understanding of the conduct of war. Like I said, America is about to destroy its enemies, or would it be more proper to say, America's enemies are about to destroy themselves.

When I said the atheist was part of the problem, what I meant is that because he believes in nothing, he will allow just about anything to occur in his home, which makes the rest of our jobs more difficult.

Many people in communities overrun with gang violence, don't believe in calling the police, but also don't know why the problem is becoming worse.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by bruxfain

1. I'm Brux. Adam fell.


Hi Brux. So can I infer you have not 'fallen' then? And then by implication (and your earlier declaration that "im am holier than thou") that you are some divine being? An angel of God?


where I have to defend my kids by my wife from my kids by the serpent;


The serpent being Satan? Or non-Bible believers?...


And this time, everyone will stand down and keep their mouths shut because I am tired of hearing about it.


What?


But the ones who are responsible for it are my offspring by the other woman, who decided to whore herself and speak all kinds of lies about me because she didn't feel I paid enough child support and that's what makes this whole affair such a pain in the butt.


Let me get this straight: Most of this Country is your offsping from an affair you have had with this women in this lifetime? Eh?

So I thought you were protecting your children from the Serpent. That equates to sending some child support?


So, If a person doesn't accept the Bible to be true then they will soon find themselves standing on the wrong side of the battlefield.


Which I look forward to. See you on the battlefield.


The Cross is far too strong to be broken and nothing can stand against it. Ask Al Qaeda or any associated group of fools; they'll tell you.


Right. You're an extremist. A total Christian fundamentalist. I get it.

My question was specifically about this statement of yours:


When someone says they don't believe in the Bible they are saying by implication that they also can be convinced that humanity is not a single family and it is therefore no big deal to rape women or kill children



[edit on 16-9-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]


How would I know if I am an Angel of God? How could I possibly be sure of such a thing?

The serpent is the reflection of the feminine aspect of humanity. She's a total lesbian, but who wants children. She is the source of the most unnatural teaching's we have. She is the perfect opposite. She turns the world inside out and turns Gog/Magog loose upon the world of the living. Its Ishtar.

This war will end, America will be just fine and I'll go take a nap.

Actually everyone is my offspring, I had knew all your mothers at one time or another. No the serpent wants to be me the child support thing is just a ploy.

What, I bet you think I am talking about a piece of wood or metal or an embroidered banner. No, dude, the Cross is the four fundamental forces plush One, on the Earth. A man, three women and a boy. You should really read more.

If a person believes in nothing they can be convinced of anything.

For example, you said that you would like to be standing opposite me on the battlefield. Apparently, you've been convinced that War is some kind of toss up. Its not, everything that is unfolding on the Earth is doing so according to a more subtle reality. The lower level conforms to the highest level.

If Japheth lives in Shem's tents and Ham serves them both in fact, this reality will become everyones reality. Standing against it, while poetic, means certain doom, ie death or imprisonment. You would have no chance to defeat it with your guns and anger. The only way your world can win, I assume that you are of Ham, is to change it first at the higher level and then at the lower level.

But that cant work Ham had her chance and cannot even come into Shems presence after what she did.

Shem is more powerful than the dragon.

I think the last question has enough explanation.




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