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On June 16, 2008, UNHRC president Doru Romulus Costea announced that criticism of Sharia law will not be tolerated by the UNHRC, based on the complaints and pressure by Islamist delegates to the UNHRC
And in the case of divorce, the parties must still obtain a civil divorce alongside the religious one."
All criminal matters are reserved for the UK's state courts, and there is no appetite for change.
Originally posted by Grafilthy
Thank you Fang!
This thread needed a voice of reason. Some people are apparently very naive and/or terrified of things that are "foreign" or different from themselves. Glad to see someone is using a higher thought process.....starred ya.
Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by Retseh
What a patronising load of rubbish.
I know....you're an american who hates all things muslim because you've been told to by endless hours of fearmongering, sensationalist press and TV and as such you can't help yourself, but really.....honestly, you have no idea what you are talking about when you write about Britain, or the British people, or what is going on in this country.
Originally posted by Psychopump
Can anyone name a Muslim country where two brits can have their dispute settled in a "western" court? Of course not.
This in itself is a travesty against justice.
The popular perception of sharia law is one of brutal punishments carried out by hardline states. But, as Dan Bell discovers, the backstreets of Britain are full of Islamic courts ruling on everything from banking and alcopops to forced marriage and divorce.
In the back room of a converted corner shop in east London, Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed is trying to save another marriage. He stretches across his desk and gently holds the hand of a young man with five o'clock shadow, whose eyes are red and swollen from crying. For more than an hour the man has been pleading with Sayeed to ask his ex-wife to give him a second chance. And for more than an hour, Sayeed has been quietly telling him that if his ex-wife does not want him back, there is nothing he can do. As the fraught meeting continues next door, one of Sayeed's colleagues at the Islamic Sharia Council in Leyton explains with a shrug, "He has come to us to ask for help, but if the woman is adamant and she doesn't want to reunite, what can we do?"
The image of a Muslim man pleading with his imam for a second chance with his wife, only to be told that it is his wife's decision, is not what most people would expect from a sharia court. But his case is typical of hundreds each year dealt with by a group of scholars who provide judgments on sharia law for Muslims across the country.
Sharia law has not only become synonymous with brutal punishments meted out by hardline Islamic states; it has also come to be seen as a source of oppression within Muslim communities across Europe. The Qur'an has been used to justify forced marriages, honour killings and even the call to holy war by fundamentalist clerics such as Abu Hamza. But sharia also has another face. Islamic law is a code for living that governs every aspect of life, from which food is halal, to donations to the poor and the proper way to dress. The Muslims who consult the Islamic Sharia Council are not asking for permission to stone adulterous wives, or chop off the hands of thieves, but simply for day-to-day guidance on living in accordance with their faith.
Sister, it’s a well-known fact that Islam maintains the protection of life and does not sanction any violation against it. In the Glorious Qur’an, Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)
`Abdullah ibn Mas`ud, may Allah be pleased with him, reported that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "The blood of a Muslim may not be legally spilt other than in one of three [instances]: the married person who commits adultery; a life for a life; and one who forsakes his religion and abandons the community." (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)
“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.
First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.”
“Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)
The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments.
It goes without saying that people are not entitled to take the law in their own hands, for it’s the responsibility of the Muslim State and its concerned bodies to maintain peace, security, etc., and to prevent chaos and disorder from creeping into the Muslim society.”
“In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.
Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.”
Ignoring the Miner's Strike and the Poll Tax fiasco, the British are typically not a rebellious people, and they are certainly not likely to resist any change that is gradual and insidious, such as that which they are facing with liberalism.
I worked with British Muslims for 11 years, right in the dirty, smelly heart of Manchester, just off Deansgate in fact. I know all too painfully well what they think of the native Brits, and what their ultimate agenda is, they were quite open about it. So I think I have some qualifications here.
I do agree that there are some racial issues in the UK, but oddly they stem more from people "thinking" that they will offend someone - usually without asking - hence the stupidity of some councils who try and change the names of festivals etc.
'UK Muslims Have Victim Mentality'
British Muslims have a "victim mentality" and need to take greater responsibility for their lives, according to a Labour MP
Sadiq Khan, a Muslim himself, says many in the UK are more concerned with foreign policy than with problems affecting their own lives.
In a report for the Fabian Society think tank, the assistant whip listed a series of issues which British Muslims needed to tackle in order to integrate better.
:: All mosques should consider allowing women in and should tackle sexism;
:: Muslims who don't speak English should learn;
:: The Muslim community should condemn forced marriages and honour killings.
Mr Khan said: "A failure to deal with the inequalities of British Muslim women flies in the face of any attempts to build a socially just and fair society.
"But it also has serious consequences for preventing extremism, given that the majority of the extremist and radical ideologies that lead young men to turn themselves into human bombs are also deeply misogynist."
He said ministers needed to "reconnect" with Muslims and accused Labour of having a "fleeting but never committed" relationship with Muslim groups.
We need to take more responsibility for our own families, ignore those who propagate conspiracy theories, and above all we need to leave behind our victim mentality.
The Tooting MP, whose parents were Pakistani immigrants, also criticised the barriers Muslims face in society.
As a group they are disproportionately affected by poverty, inequality and discrimination, he said.
He said businesses should have a "positive duty" to crack down on religious discrimination and called for schools to be as mixed as possible to "break the cycle of accidental segregation".
But Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of Muslim youth organisation, the Ramadhan
Foundation, said the Government and Mr Khan were out of touch with grassroots Muslims.
"He should be pushing the Government to deal with real issues like poverty, crime, racism and Islamophobia," Mr Shafiq said.
"We do not have a victim mentality but are victims of this Government's failure to deal with real issues, issues around poverty, tackling the underlying causes of why there is terrorism in this country, issues around exclusion of certain communities."
Originally posted by Rapacity
reply to post by Ownification
Britain is not a multicultural nation. "Our" government might say it is but it isn't. It is a multicultural disjointed nation within which nationalism is rising very rapidly. The British are very vexed at their alienation from their own land, parliament and culture.
I don't see believers in the Hindu, Sikh and Jewish beliefs keeping their communities separate to the rest of the U.K. I don't see them imposing their beliefs and cultural ways onto others. I don't see them attempting to manipulate the rest of the U.K into becoming a Sikh, Jewish or Hindu nation. They invite others to learn their traditions and not to forcefully eat them.
Tell us, if Muslims are so willing to peacefully co-exist alongside other faiths and traditions, why do Muslims so frequently object to British people displaying images of pigs or the cross? Tell us of a Muslim nation that doesn't feel it is a victim of its neighbors?
Many British people are not happy with our laws but they don't band together and demand their own legal system that suits their needs.
Just to let you know, I'm not fully British nor do I feel British but I still live within Britain's laws regardless that I neither recognize its government's authority nor its legal system's integrity.
[edit on 16/9/08 by Rapacity]