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Originally posted by Hal9000
Originally posted by xmaddness
The Obsession movie may explain that there are radical extremist out to destroy us, but what it doesn't tell you is exactly why have they decided the US is their enemy. In the movie, all they say is that they want to destroy the West so that means us. They don't explain that the reason is because we have been supporting Israel and our CIA has interfered with Middle Eastern countries through covert operations, as they did in the 1953 coup detat in Iran for example. They don't tell you that AIPAC is the most powerful lobbyist in Washington, and is literally dictating our foreign policy for us.
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History proves you wrong Muslims were attacking the Us long before isreal was involved Its called the Barbery wars are the United States 1st brush with islam.
In 1793, Algerian pirates captured the cargo ship Polly, plundered it and imprisoned the 12-man crew. The Algerian captain informed the American captives they could expect harsh treatment "for your history and superstition in believing in a man who was crucified by the Jews and disregarding the true doctrine of God's last and greatest prophet, Mohammed."
Need more here an envoy was sent from the us to negotiate with tripoli this was there ambassadors response:
Here’s a description from The Atlantic Monthly in 1872:
Disguising their feelings as best they could, they ‘took the liberty to make some inquiries concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury.’ The ambassador replied that it was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave.” He claimed every one of their guys who was “slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.
And all this happened without are support for Isreal And this was before the CIA so i guess that sorta invalidates your ideas of why were being attacked by muslim extremists huh.
Originally posted by xmaddness
We have been supporting Israel, because without our support, the Jewish sector of Israel would have been slaughtered long ago.
Allow us to take a short look back into history. What exactly was the cause for the rise of Hitler’s Nazi Germany? It was directly a result of what the United States, France, Great Britain, Italy, and Japan dictated at the Treaty of Versailles.
So in your way of thinking, you must now clearly mean that the extermination of the Jews in the concentration camps is entirely United States fault. I will jump on the phone for you and start spreading the truth behind the holocaust.
The United States caused the holocaust!
Past actions should not dictate future obligations,
or be reason to simply give up and allow extremists into your country to do as they will.
Originally posted by Hal9000
reply to post by dragonridr
The Barbary Wars were also not religious motivated. It was over economic trade and it was against the Ottoman Empire, which no longer exists. Hardly relevant.
How in the world do you think that the Treaty of Versailles was the CAUSE of the rise of Nazi Germany? I think it rose on it's own.
They don't explain that the reason is because we have been supporting Israel and our CIA has interfered with Middle Eastern countries through covert operations, as they did in the 1953 coup detat in Iran for example.
Originally posted by Hal9000
reply to post by slicobacon
When you compare Muslims to Nazis and Hitler like they do in this movie, I would call that propaganda.
They don't explain that the reason is because we have been supporting Israel and our CIA has interfered with Middle Eastern countries through covert operations, as they did in the 1953 coup detat in Iran for example. They don't tell you that AIPAC is the most powerful lobbyist in Washington, and is literally dictating our foreign policy for us.
Maybe to find the truth, you need to look a little deeper than some propaganda DVD.
Shall I go on? This is only a fraction of the entire story, mind you.
Originally posted by Dronetek
When did they compare Muslims to Nazis? They gave an historical context for Islamic Extremists. Not Muslims. Are you denying that there was collaboration between Islamic extremists and Hitler?
During WWII, the streets of Lebanon were plastered with signs that said, "In death your god is Allah, but in life it is Hitler".
If we were to pull back all of our forces to the US, they would still kill and you would be there to excuse them for some other reason!
You keep calling the video propaganda, but have yet to explain what exactly the propaganda is. Wat is untrue in the video? When I think propaganda, I think of Al Gore's movie. The one that people are FORCED to watch in school across the country.
Haven't you been reading? I have been saying that religious ideology is not the true cause of terrorism. It is because of our interfering in their affairs. For someone who makes a lot of assumptions on my part, why can't you assume this?
I have been saying that religious ideology is not the true cause of terrorism. It is because of our interfering in their affairs.
it has nothing to do with the real reasons why they consider the US the enemy. It is because we have interfered and forced what we believe is in our national best interest. We use the excuse of spreading democracy in the ME, but we don't consider what the population of these countries want. What right do we have to do this? Would you want some other country telling you to change so it is better for them?
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YUSUFALI: They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-
Originally posted by Hal9000
If religion was really to blame for any ME country extremist agenda, then please explain why no ME country has invaded another country to spread their religion in the last 100 years or so?
If religion was really to blame for any ME country extremist agenda, then please explain why no ME country has invaded another country to spread their religion in the last 100 years or so?