[edit on 19-9-2008 by Cons Piracy]

Alright.

Call your local MUFON office and ask them if this thread has hurt their research.

Go to wal-mart and pick a random person and ask them if they believe in aliens. If they say no, ask them if it's because of this thread. Take it a step further and ask if it's because of anything posted on ATS.

The truth is that if you think there is something to conspiracies then you will research and make up your own mind. If you think CTers are loons because that's what you been told then you won't know about what is being said.

It doesn't matter what is said because the counter-intelligence operation was successful. Being thought of as a fool is a strong deterrent for people not secure with themselves and their convictions.

The fact remains that nothing said on ATS is going to make someone that is serious about the research suddenly stop. No matter which way you look at it this site is nothing more than a forum for everyone to talk about stuff they probably wouldn't talk about in public.

No one that thinks CTers are fools is reading this website. And if they do it's only to reinforce their own closed mind. It's not doing the research any harm.

That excuse does not work. Please use some logic instead of repeating an invalid excuse that you read from someone else. I know you didn't come up with that excuse yourself. You just feel better about yourself when you can call people fools and you are using an illogical excuse in order to do that. Be truthful with yourself for once. You want to feel you're a part of a group by calling yourself a skeptic and feel you are taking the high ground and protecting serious research. It's transparent. It's obvious. Lying to yourself doesn't make it any less obvious.

C'mon get real
foools like these
BOO HOO
yada yada
very convenient answer
OWWW MY HEAD HURTS

These are not adequate ways of expressing your point and that's why I call it transparent. These are emotional triggers.

It's fine if you truly believe threads on ATS are hurting research. But that's a claim without evidence. And you know what they say about claims without evidence.

Show us the proof of your claims. Bring the evidence. Prove to everyone that threads like this and posters that make them are hurting research.

All that said, I'm not saying to stop believing in what you say. Or to stop posting on threads to express your opinion. I disagree with anyone that says that. But I also disagree with repeatedly calling people fools and repeating the same thing over and over. It's not helping the research.

That excuse does not work. Please use some logic instead of repeating an invalid excuse that you read from someone else. I know you didn't come up with that excuse yourself. You just feel better about yourself when you can call people fools and you are using an illogical excuse in order to do that. Be truthful with yourself for once. You want to feel you're a part of a group by calling yourself a skeptic and feel you are taking the high ground and protecting serious research. It's transparent. It's obvious. Lying to yourself doesn't make it any less obvious.

Sorry buddy...I do not repeat what others say...I only see what is real and do not make up things to feel special. I was a believer at one point...the reason I got into this...few years back you could have sold me on the whole grey, reptilian...aliens are visiting us junk. Today not so much...because my eyes have been opened. Stop pouting and except the fact that there are people out there who are not as gullible as you. Thats why I believe you guys get so angry....we have said something that makes sense and has pointed out the flaws in your beliefs. You would hate to have thought that your life has been wasted in believing such garbage...kind of the way a person who leaves a cult feels. Hate my stance and believe that the sheep of the ufo/alien community will always be there for you. Skeptics are not a group,buddies or cult we are individuals who require more proof than has been given. There are the extremes who refuse to believe, and there are those of us...if given valid proof then we will consider it; I am the latter...I am waiting for that one piece of proof that will prove me wrong...but none has come yet. Radar hits and lights in the sky, do not scream ALIEN...and abduction stories are clearly another form of sleep paralysis(kind of like back in the day when people claimed witches were on thier chest). People hearing disembodied voices or claiming to be in contact are simple....they feel insignificant and either thier mind has created this fairy tale..or they willingly lied to make themselves feel like thier life actually means something. UFO's are just that...UNIDENTIFIED flying craft....because someone has not seen something do those kind of moves or move that silently before does not make it extraterrestrial. Multiple witness's of objects/lights have only witnessed something they cannot fathom...and yet again does not make it alien spacecraft. Pilots can also be mistaken when it comes to viewing things...I remember watching this youtube video of some pilot who thought they viewed a ufo...turns out be the moon behind some clouds...if she did not see the clouds move and the moon come from behind...she would have been telling everyone she saw a ufo and would be used as proof for you guys.

[edit on 20-9-2008 by riggs2099]

Your opinion is valued
Here is a little story that was told to me as why ETs are reluctant to share their
technology thousands of years ago an alien race gave human being a device for the betterment of mind and spirit developement this device was capable of producing manna which today is known as monatomic powder
The leaders of these people decided that only his inner core where worthy of this enlightment
then they also discovered by accident that this alien device was also a weapon of mass destruction and never lost a battle with it
remember the walls of Jerricho story from the bible

This device was known as the Ark of the covenant

Do I have proof of this? no

As while experimenting with it in the 12th century at Chartres Cathedral the templars sent it into another dimension by mistake.



[edit on 20-9-2008 by smokingman2006]

Last night I had another visit and was told it would be her final for sometime.

She told me that many are awaking around the globe but that negativity still out weighs positivity

That the very balance must sway to the positive side before universal changes can happen

That to most alien races we humans are treated a little like do not feed animals signs in a zoo

which I interpreted as no official outside help.

My contact Amizarac explained that all her races previous contact with government on our planet has resulted in disasters for them

their bond with the human race is deep and as much as they love us as a race they also fear some element of our governments.

Some within their own race believe that they should not interfere with our fate and others within her race think we are to corrupted at our highest levels to affect positive changes within our timeframe.

She belong to a group of cosmic thinkers within her race who feels that human from Earth (Her words)

are a special race and can archive our intended goals.

She also said that she has given me all the tools I will need to do my part in this, (Yet she has given me nothing physically)

Here is the very weird bit I asked her the question that Citizenc requested I ask

about the one soul being split and been in two places at once or even two time lines at once.

She calmly explained that our soul which is pure cosmic energy is forever ,goes into a being at birth and once that being dies it returns the collective center where its experience of its life time are shared with the collective hive ( Cant think of a better word) at creation.

since the entire collective center is made of only this cosmic energy it is very easy for two or more souls to split with each other before going back out for another life time ( Giving me new meaning to the word soul mate)
since at creation level there is no time and space time lines don't exist.

As much as we are mortals here we are infinite at the creation level.

She then gave me a glimpse at her world ,and how her people live life trying to achieve the highest conscious level in a world with matter and time and it was serene and beautiful.

She made me understand that this should also be our chosen path.

For those who asked why not take her photo with my camera, first I did not want to offend her and most importantly most would have said she is just a very pretty girl from sweden in a strange outfit.

I really dont know where I will take this from here onwards as apart from knowing alot more about myself I dont feel I have the tools she speaks about to do much more than relay her message.

plus I have to work on getting my wife back who took off to her mothers in germany when I tried to explain to her what had happened with my encounter so I really can understand the Skeptics out there.







[edit on 20-9-2008 by smokingman2006]

Originally posted by smokingman2006
others within her race think we are too corrupted at our highest levels to affect positive changes within our timeframe.

That is the crux of the matter. The corrupted will use all their power to maintain their power. The internet has gone a long way in getting vital information to a much larger amount of people than was previously possible.

The war is for the hearts and minds of humanity. The negative side is winning. They have the power and resources.

Looking at the state of affairs it appears there will not be a human collective consensus. There will be those that choose the negative. There will be those that choose the positive. And there will be the majority that don't choose yet.

The war is within. All one can do is live their convictions to the best of their ability. We cannot force anyone to change. And to want to force anyone to change is an attempt to violate free-will. Therefore, the cards will fall where they may.

Live your truth. Those that are ready for true evolution will be emboldened by you living your truth.

I very much believe the OPs experience is geniune. First, unlike riggs, I am an experiencer myself, though not with the same people. But I value the testimonies of others far more than those who pour their heart and soul into proving or debunking photos, because I'm not interested in the proof factor, far beyond that. The agenda issue is of the greatest concern.
Though many think greys behave poorly, I have no actual bad feelings for the ones we've been forced to meet. They seemed to be connected at one point with humans, but now are not. (I can't speak for every groups of greys). And though their ways are less understood, and they are less understood, I understand the work the ones that deal with us are similar to the ones that deal with Jim Sparks.
Ufology exists due to the experiences real people, and often ordinary people, have been having for years. This is the heart and soul of ufology. Its the grass roots experience in its most basic level. So anyone that comes forward will be examined carefully by me. Its a core need of mine to see what is occurring with regards to our visitors, and to examine why we aren't getting the kind of practical help we need.
The OP has the markings of real contact. These are steadily shown throughout his account.
First theres no sign that he is mental, or delusional. He is intelligent and well written and natural in his responses. He shows stress, and mental adjustment to his new messages that he has to sort out and get grounded again after having experienced. Unless he is working on behalf of the misinformatin campaign, ie. he's black op, then I have to conclude this is real. Also, if he were the latter, his frailties, and nervous exhaustion after each encounter where he has to get his grounding, isn't the way the misinfo agents operate. They don't use these techniques.
Once I have satisfied he's telling the truth, I really look at what this unusual person is saying. She would never have come down and chosen to contact him face to face in these sessions if it wasn't urgent. This doesn't mean I automatically trust everything any et says, as I've read too many accounts that make me cautious this way. But either way, whether the disaster is real, or they're really trying to push us into changing our ways to gain more support from those who think Jack the Ripper represents our planet doesn't matter.
Others are free to feel otherwise, but they should not be harrassing in their attacks, nor persist in such obvious thread derailment techniques. I don't feel such behavior is skeptical. My father is skeptical, but not overbearing or rude. This behavior seems like an agenda. Could also be working for someone?

Edit to add: note I'm saying that in order for the contact, the situation is serious for our planet (which I think many of us know) whether the exact disaster she talks about is imminent or not. Our actions in the next few years may determine whether we will receive the help we need, or whether life on our planet is extinguished by any number of things, including nuclear, or enslaved.

[edit on 21-9-2008 by mystiq]