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Video: Jesse Ventura Slams '911 Conspiracy Debunkers' for 30 Minutes

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posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 07:41 PM
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You must really have to remind yourself of that little tale each day in order to believe it. They had all the intel and went out of their way to do training excercises that would further enable the plan to go through because they were doubtful? Seriously? This is what you spend your tax dollars on? A government getting plenty of warnings that it's innocent people will be killed and then lending a helping hand all because they did not think it would really happen anyway? Wow. That is all I can say.




posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 08:25 PM
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I think maybe Mr. Ventura is giving the multi-billion dollar air defense systems too much credit. I'm not denying a 9-11 conspiracy, but I am denying that 19 men with boxcutters taking orders from someone in a cave can't slip through the cracks. I mean, as far as anyone doing their job at security was concerned, all of those guys were university students heading out someplace. That was the only part of the story that rang true, actually, if you ask me, and I get the very real sense that people who are a part of whatever movement exists are weapons just the same as the ones we bury in the sand to lay pretense for war.

That's the America I know and love: using people who use people against other people.



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by yellowcard

Originally posted by Ex_MislTechThe financial crisis was planned, just like it was in 1929.

This is all about consolidation of power.

They intend to crash the US economy and offer the saving grace of
the new North American currency.

The Amero.

Enjoy...

The VCHIP in current passports, The NAU & the Amero

They plan to end the United States as we know it.

Do not resist, your best chance is to head for the wilderness and
hide VERY well, at best find deep caves and be ready for eventual
nuclear war.


Completely baseless claim, that assumes that "everyone is in on it" which is basically impossible.
[edit on 14-9-2008 by yellowcard]



Apparently this is a new breed of straw man, arbitrarily deciding that an X number of people is required to “pull X off” or “keep X a secret” and place the opus on the opposition to prove an assertion that they themselves made.

I think I’ll to call this tactic the straw women(because it’s even more irrational and obnoxious that the straw man).



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 09:01 PM
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The official conspiracy theory is too outrageous to believe. Of course, there is no shortage of false, or dead-end leads to distract us from the basic facts. And the government & media have done a great job of making 911 seem too complicated to understand, trotting out so-called experts to debunk any questions.

What happened on 911 is really very simple:

The towers fall after about an hour--straight down at free-fall speed through the path of greatest resistance. That is all you really need to know. Free fall speed is the key here. The collapse of the first two towers seemed to start where the planes entered. Yet the topa fell through the massive and intact and "undamaged" steel columns below at the same speed they would fall through thin air. Thus the lower floors must have been destroyed just ahead of the floors above. The collapse looked like an explosion because it was. That was no gravitational collapse. It was a carefully planned engineering feat.

Underwriters Labs certified the steel at WTC to be able to withstand 2000 degrees for 6 hours. Jet fuel burns at a maximum of 1800 degrees in pure oxygen, and most was burned outside in the fireball. What little steel was not illegally removed and recycled before any forensic investigation could be done showed the temperatures were closer to 1000 degrees. Not hot enough to sufficiently weaken the steel, especially not in an hour.

Steel melts around 2700 degrees, yet there were tons of molten iron under all three towers. Fire and gravity could not supply enough energy to melt steel or turn tons of concrete slabs not into pancakes or even rubble--but into dust! What supplied some of the energy appears to be thermate--which melts steel like butter, turning it into molten iron. Dr. Steven Jones, physicist, found evidence of thermate in recovered WTC steel.

Building 7 was a block away, had only minor damage, and also fell straight down at free fall speed into its footprint: an obvious classic controlled demolition. And whatdoyouknow, those pesky SEC files on Enron and WorldCom and many other corporate crooks all got destroyed.

In the more than 100-year history of steel high-rises, there are many examples of fires in skyscrapers, many burning over a dozen floors for 10-20 hours, and much hotter than at WTC. None collapsed. There are only three examples of fire causing total skyscraper collapse. All three occurred on the same day, in the same city, in the same office complex, leased weeks earlier by the same investment group (and in an unusual move, insured specifically against terrorist attacks).



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 09:26 PM
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Excellent post, and I agree with you 100%

The government or whoever is running the show wants to pump people full of fear. I would have to say in the last year I have woken up and realized what the world is truely about. All I see in the news is murder, death, crime, global warming, and the occasional man who can scarf down 100 hot dogs in 2 minutes.

Wheres all the good new at? I dont watch the news anymore, lol.

God bless Jesse Ventura for coming forward. I find that the more people who come forward with EVIDENCE, people start to actually think of what is going on, and that the government actually went through with this act.

It takes a lot of voices for a paradigm.

Hopefully this is the start of one.



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Originally posted by yellowcard

or "how could someone wire a building with explosives without anyone noticing it"

Get rid of the dogs (cage them or remove them - that did happen, you know), dress up as "delivery persons" with boxes of "computers," "microwave ovens," whatever, that are filled with what is needed, or "maintenance" personnel... Work at night, work on unused floors (there was sound, dust and other things noticed from empty floors...). Easy as pie.

Yep sounds easy until you figure that the entire building would need to be wired by a large team of demo experts and this would include direct wiring to the support posts and beams. In other words, the building would need to be gutted. Not so easy as pie now


You are assuming they cared about "neatness." That they had an energy weapon (pulverized concrete, eh?) to assist things into roughly footprints helps. But all they really had to do was plant radio controlled ignitions to thermite packed in the vicinity of the supports. "Wiring" went out a while ago. A "team" of experts probably wasn't needed. A small number - maybe one, even - to say, slap that bag marked "concrete" over next to that pylon, and one there and there and there..."

And maybe it was set up over many months. Nothing says it HAD to be set up on the 10th. Though I suspect it was a mere couple of weeks, as that was when the dogs were off the job.



the collapse looked nothing like a demolition

Um... Yes, it did. I have watched MANY - living in Las Vegas when a number of buildings came down.

And this looks like a you know what but it isn't.
www.break.com...enisberg-ahead570777.html
Just because something "looks" a certain way by the untrained eye, it doesn't make it so.


I was ansering that statements that "the collapse looked nothing like a demolition." It DID look like demolition. What's your point here?




as any demolition expert would tell you,


ANY? That's a laugh. I have heard a number of them say it looked exactly like demolition. Maybe the ones you have heard were those piad "experts..."

I've never heard an actual demo expert say, in their opinion, the 2 towers were demo'd. In actuality, I've heard just the opposite. It was even pointed out that if they were demo'd, they would have come down from the bottom up and footage which we have all seen has shown the towers drop from the top down. This of course is the exact opposite of how demolitions is done.


And I say that many have said that conventionally, that is how it is done, but there ARE other options. Don't expect a conventional approach to an unconventional plan.




At least the "official story" has answered 99.9% of all concerns with scientific analysis instead of assumptions based on video edits and unclassified documents that too are taken out of context.


Paid "experts?" There are many, many independent analyses that dispute what the Official "experts" say. Why should we believe the Official ones?

Good point and why should we believe the independent analysts?


Because there is no conflict of interest...? Because they are asking questions that are greeted with obfuscation...? Because something smells very fishy about those that are offering the official "experts...?" Because out government has lied to us repeatedly in the past (why this should be assumed different necessarily, I am clueless)...?

Good grief, man! Why indeed!



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 10:39 PM
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Haha! Nice one. But, remember, the majority of non-insane don’t believe what you and other “truthers” believe. If I DID believe corporate America and the U.S. Government had killed 3,000 of its own citizens and was currently trying to kill and/or enslave me and other, I CERTAINLY WOULDN’T CONTINUE TO AID THEM IN THAT REGARD WITH LABOR, CAPITAL AND MONEY, and then come to a message board to complain about it.

How stupid is that?



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 11:37 PM
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I don't disagree with your statement as a whole, but as far as the pieces are concerned I do. If you want to look at the security at the first stage as far as who checks the bags and what not, I would assume these Hijackers had to both (1) bags went through the xray scanner and (2) they walked through the metal detector. Even before 911 there were metal detetcor's. So, with the theory of someone acting as a student could walk onto a plane with a box cutter as well as the two or three other people looking the same and students none the less who also had box cutters, I would assume, even if I was a security specialist working for the airlines when the metal detector went off and not one but three to six people with box cutters went on a single plane and, again assuming, there excuse was they all worked for Albertsons in the shipping department this should at least throw up some kind of alarm.

Not only that, but, the US Government had some kind of prior knowledge that something like this was going down. Again, looking at the above scenario the Government should of had some kind of "heads up" and normal procedure would be to notify all those involved whether thats the Airlines themselves who should than let everyone down the chain of command know.

I think the "kicker" in all this is the drills that were conducted at the same time as 911 that our Military was doing. The normal person would think "we than should be more ready" but I think this takes our "eye off the ball" so to speak.

Jessie has done the right thing again and brings up a very valid point. Where have all the journalist gone??????????? Or are all the real journalist now considered "Conspiracy Theorist".

Interesting.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 12:29 AM
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I'd vote for a Paul - Ventura ticket any day.
These a two men that could really change this country for the better. IMO

PS utilize your ignore button when necessary.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by corusso]



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 02:53 AM
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OK, Jesse has the right to question. I do not agree with him or his reasoning. Well, the outcome of his reasoning anyways. The reasoning he comes up with doesnt hold water. He keeps saying the same ole same ole Liberal Hate Bush Buzz Phrases. Like, He didnt go to Vietnam and dodged it and signed a paper. Which we know is utter BS. He tried to go. Whatever, thats fine. He may be right on the Osama connection thing, one thing is for sure, Terrorist's did do it.

The Iraq Connection reasoning he gives, is utter bs. Why oh why is the left so darn against liberating a oppressed people. The Iraqi's are a free people now. They were a terror sponsoring state. When we attacked Iraq, "because of the resolutions" (oh we forgot about them huh, lets pretend like they didnt exist and just say it was for OIL and the WTC.) It was because of the resolutions that we went into Iraq. So that argument doesnt hold water with me.

Jesse can can question all he wants. I dont agree with him. I think he is out of his drug scarred mind. To many pile drivers in the old days.

Though I disagree, he has the right to question, and you should question.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 02:56 AM
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Originally posted by joecamel
I think maybe Mr. Ventura is giving the multi-billion dollar air defense systems too much credit. I'm not denying a 9-11 conspiracy, but I am denying that 19 men with boxcutters taking orders from someone in a cave can't slip through the cracks. I mean, as far as anyone doing their job at security was concerned, all of those guys were university students heading out someplace. That was the only part of the story that rang true, actually, if you ask me, and I get the very real sense that people who are a part of whatever movement exists are weapons just the same as the ones we bury in the sand to lay pretense for war.

That's the America I know and love: using people who use people against other people.


I feel you totally but you do have to admit, when you look at the complete "official" story of the events leading up to and including that day, there are a looooooooot of cracks to be slipping through successfully one after the other like that.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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Originally posted by arcnaver
Why oh why is the left so darn against liberating a oppressed people. The Iraqi's are a free people now.


Iraqi's are free people now? really? over 70% of the people there want us gone. The government has officially told us to leave twice. We are still there killing someone. How free does that really sond to you?



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 03:28 AM
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Having read through this since my last comment, I stand by it. Mr. Ventura comes off as someone who just recently descovered a 'Truther' website then goes on to get his facts incorrect and ramble. Plus, he's looking a little crazy.

Some posters here also just parrot the same nonsense, goes a little like this: Simple people from desert caves with virtually no weapons take over four jets in one day? "Impossible!", they say.

lett's examine this. Anyone who thinks they cooked up this plan the day before, raise your hand. Nobody? That's because this was planned for a long time. We have seen videos of the terrorist 'training camps' all around the Middle East. These guys were fanantical, rabid and dedicated.

And, they practiced and rehearsed...third world commandos aren't as stupid as you would hope to believe.

Much hay has been made of the 'boxcutter'. We're not talking about those big Stanley utility knives....these are the ones that are about 3 1/2 inches long, and thin. Used in grocery stores all the time. Thin items like that are easy to slip through security - they have a plastic handle. And used on a man's throat, quite deadly.

Second, flights were selected because of their particularly low passenger count...easier to control. Control accomplished by fear...fake bombs, and one report of mace or pepper spray. NOT allowed on airplanes, but lax security, bored screeners, on that day at least one was overlooked. And, if it had been discovered, it would have been taken away, and the guy sent onwards.

The hijacking 'drill' that day? Sad co-incidence. Caused much confusion.

Fighters were scrambled to look for AAL 11, but it took them 32 minutes from alert to arrival over NYC. A fighter (unarmed) was launched from Andrews AFB to find UAL 175, got to NYC a few minutes after the second impact. It all just happened too damn fast.

'Monday-morning' quaterbacking is disrespectful to the dead. And rife with misunderstandings, misconceptions and sometimes outright falsehoods.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 03:42 AM
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You may be on to something. Now who funded those terrorist training camps and gave them the weapons and means and original training? hmmmmm...


'Monday-morning' quaterbacking is disrespectful to the dead. And rife with misunderstandings, misconceptions and sometimes outright falsehoods.


So is lying about why they died to their families and lying to the American people about why as a whole we should mourn, but not be afraid it will happen again, but be ready in case it does, and be scared and elect leaders that will remind you it is ok to go shopping and not be scared and that you will not die like those people did as long as political football, war propoganda, bad legislation pushthroughs, blah blah blah....



[edit on 15-9-2008 by 666Azrael666]



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:21 AM
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I hate to say this, but I do not think Jesse will not be around very much longer. He spends a lot of his time down in Mexico where a human life can be bought very cheaply. I am sure it will look like a robbery gone wrong and some poor Mexican will probably be quickly offered up to make it all go away.

God Bless Jesse Ventura and he is a helluva man for speaking about what lots of people wish that they could. It amazes me that people cannot see through the government bs. This is the same government that infected unknowing US citizens with diseases in numerous experiments including the infamous one at Tuskeegee. The American government is owned by big business because neither the Demostooges or the Republistooges gives a rats behind about the American citizen. They get their real money by representing the lobbyists and special interests. The money we taxpayers give them is a mere pittance. It is time to turn these fat hogs loose to fend for themselves and get some real representation for a change. *Play patriotic brass band music here.*



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by Dronetek
In my opinion people like Jessie are doing the same thing they claim to be against. Anyone who questions their theories is a neocon fascist. Which is basically the same thing as calling us unpatriotic. I find the whole thing pretty hypocritical.


?....very odd point of view youve got there..thats like saying the blacks in south africa were intolerant..racist...because they were dead set against apartheid...

some things..some opinions..some events..are just dead wrong..they are indefensible..

why is saying 'people who dont allow me to think for myself..and ask questions..are wrong'...not a stand point that is simply 'right'..?



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by arcnaver
The reasoning he comes up with doesnt hold water. He keeps saying the same ole same ole Liberal Hate Bush Buzz Phrases. Like, He didnt go to Vietnam and dodged it and signed a paper. Which we know is utter BS. He tried to go.



You have swallowed the whole enchilada my deluded little friend. HOW DO YOU FIGURE BUSH TRIED TO GO TO VIETNAM? My dad and lots of others were not even trying and they got sent to Vietnam. Some of them got sent over several times. So how can Bush try to go and not be successful? It doesn't sound like he tried very hard does it? It sounds like political influence peddling to me.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by InterestedObserver
To address his point that since Osama hasn't been charged there must be something fishy going on,

I'm thinking just because Osama took credit for Al Qaeda planning the attacks does not mean that he himself planned them. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted to masterminding the 9/11 attacks, along with 50 other terrorist attacks, so how could we charge Osama when we have someone telling us that THEY did it?

It doesn't mean that 9/11 was a coverup though. That's just bad reasoning.

Al-Qaida No. 3 says he planned 9/11

[edit on 9/13/2008 by InterestedObserver]


No, what youre missing is simple. Did you read any of his testimony? He directly admits to conspiring with Bin Laden. He thought up the plan, Bin Laden approved and paid for it, as well as planned other attacks with him. No bad reasoning whatsoever. That certainly is 'fishy', that someone who was named as the main co-conspirator and financial backing was not charged.

Thats conspiracy to murder thousands here, a pretty serious crime.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by SarielDCLXVI
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You must really have to remind yourself of that little tale each day in order to believe it. They had all the intel and went out of their way to do training excercises that would further enable the plan to go through because they were doubtful? Seriously? This is what you spend your tax dollars on? A government getting plenty of warnings that it's innocent people will be killed and then lending a helping hand all because they did not think it would really happen anyway? Wow. That is all I can say.


Everybody thinks about what they would do if they were involved in a car crash but are you really ever prepared? If you've been in a car crash, did you handle it the EXACT right way you thought you would? DOUBTFUL.



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