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Originally posted by otherwise
If we consider the papacy as the beast described in the Revelation, the next pope could be it. In Rev 17,9-10 the seven heads of the beast are described as follows:
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short time.
The woman is certainly the harlot in Rev 17, or the catholic church, and she sits on the seven heads of the beast, and only on the seven, because the eight (the beast) shall hate the harlot and make her desolate (he will be no spiritual leader, but rather a political one).
Now, if we consider the various names the popes have been using, as the heads (mountains/kings) of the beast (because it's certainly the number of his name we are after), and consider the fact that the papacy had a period of power from 538 AD* until 1798 AD**, or 42 months/1260 days (Rev 13,5), one day for each year (Numbers 14,34, Ezekiel 4,6) ,
we'll be able to count the pope-names used from 1798 till now, and get the sum of 7 (heads):
Pius VI (1775-99) (head #1, wounded to death**)
Pius VII (1800-23)
Leo XII (1823-29) (head #2)
Pius VIII (1829-30)
Gregory XVI (1831-46) (head #3)
Pius IX (1846-78)
Leo XIII (1878-1903)
Pius X (1903-14)
Benedict XV (1914-22) (head #4)
Pius XI (1922-39)
Pius XII (1939-58)
John XXIII (1958-63) (head #5)
Paul VI (1963-78) (head #6)
John Paul I (Aug-Sep 1978) (head #7, continue a short time. Only 33 days!)
John Paul II (1978-)
New Pope (The Beast, wound healed)
* = When the eastgoths were defeated in Rome, and the pope gained power.
** = Pope Pius VI was captured by the army of Napoleon in 1798, and died in captivity the year after. The power of the catholic church was nearly destroyed. (Rev 13,3)
Originally posted by jezebel
Don't you think, Revelation 17:16-18 is significant, when interpreting this?
I don't what Num.14:34 has to do with Revelations. It is a message from God to the Israelites, telling them their punishment for grumbling against "Him". If read in context, it is more than clear that it is refering to events that were coming to pass in their immediate future.
Why do you skip Popes when figuring out this formula? If the count starts in 1789, why didn't you just count 7 Popes from Pius VI? I don't understand the logic in this equation.
If we consider the papacy as the beast described in the Revelation, the next pope could be it.
The prophesies are written as a riddle, "the beast" is an empire, "the woman" and "the whore" are respectively a church and a corrupt church, and so on.
Originally posted by FieryIce1
You have answered your own question
......argo, no conspiracy.
538 AD* until 1798 AD**, or 42 months/1260 days..."
Originally posted by Truth
You equate these mathematics to the mark of the beast.
Ok, if your implying that catholic hold this mark because we follow a pope, not worship him, then how come you noncatholics
can buy and sell? When it says that (noone) can bu or sell lest he have the mark of the beast on his forhead or hand.
Can't you buy or sell, even though you are not catholic? You have to understand that God i talking about an economical system of how the world will contrl the human race in the future, this is as clear as day light.
"" The seven heads ""
Your trying to say that both Paul l and Paul ll are the seventh, and the 8th is of the seven. The thing is is that we have had different named popes. And the popes who guided the church before 1778 tuaght the same things as the
popes up until Vatican ll, a council which appears to be catholic but is not a real council, but a council of freemasons who have destoryed our church.
So how can the seven heads only include a span ofopes from 1778 until 2000, when if the church is the beast, it would include the names of the popesbefore the 1778s, because hese popes still tuaght the same thing.
How does a beast become a beast after it was already a beast for 1778 years?
Also heres what it says aout the whore of babylon.
"" And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall (hate) the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh and shall burn her with fire ""
They have done this with the creation of vatican ll which does not teach catholic doctrines that were taught for 1900 years. Freemasons have infiltrated the church and it is now modernized with the world, it has become one with the world so to speak.
Originally posted by Truth
I wish i could of read your rsponse but its impossible to read light yellow letters.
if they fix this ill respond, unless i spend an hour zooming in on everyword.
am i the only one having this problem?
Originally posted by StarChild
Otherwise, do you have a link referring to the above mentioned "10 Countries/Ten Horns + 01MAY04"? I would like to read more about this upcoming event.
Originally posted by DAR
The seven heads are the United Nations. all the little horns and crowns are the countries that participate. The theory of the pope is possible because the pope (Catholic Church)has been appointed by the U.N. to over see all Religeon on a global scale. So with that in mind she might just be the one "the harlot".
but isnt their two beasts mentioned? one by sea (the pope) and one by land (the beast computer)