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Gordon Brown facing attempted coup as MPs revolt over leadership

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posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 05:42 PM
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Can't happen fast enough. Get Brown out. The only reason he is PM is because he's ambitious, but he is incompetent. He had lusted after the PM spot even when he was in college with Blair. Now he's got it, and the reality is dawning on him, that being a PM is not just inviting heads of state to drink a cup of tea at number 10.




posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Leadership?

How can anyone consider what Gordon Brown has been doing, on not doing, qualifying as anything remotely similar to Leadership.

Kick the bum out, before he manages to hand the UK, on a plater, to the EU...



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:23 PM
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Lets look at our unelected PM for a moment:

1) Fails to call an British election even though the majority of Brits wanted it;

2) Refuses to recognize the EU Referendum vote of the Irish electorate and refuses to give British people right to vote;

3) Scraps 10p Tax rate for poorest (that really is an odd socialist policy to have!!)

4) Nicks policies from the Tories to make themselves look better
( Inheritance Tax);

5) Creates financial uncertainty in the housing market (Stamp Duty fiasco);

6) Completly lets down the Farming Industry with the Foot and Mouth outbreak by reintroducing the disease from a Government Facility;

7) Keeps fuel taxes up to the highest in Europe claiming rising oil prices when everyone knows the majority is made up of Tax;

8) Continues to be the lacky to a US administration that uses torture and illegal detention without trial;

9) Fails to secure the fuel supplies of the country by selling off Brit gas to be stored abroad only to buy it back at exhorbitant prices later;

10) A government that hides its own corruption by refusing to supply the Public with lists of MP expenses. Expenses payed by the British public;

11) Continues to conduct an illegal war in Iraq which the majority of British public don't support. And on top of this underequip the military to fight this war resulting in unneccessary military casulties.

12) A government that treats its military personnel with contempt by not providing basic living conditions;

All this is just for starters!!




[edit on 13-9-2008 by Circle]



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Circle
Lets look at our unelected PM for a moment:

1) Fails to call an British election even though the majority of Brits wanted it;

2) Refuses to recognize the EU Referendum vote of the Irish electorate and refuses to give British people right to vote;

3) Scraps 10p Tax rate for poorest (that really is an odd socialist policy to have!!)

4) Nicks policies from the Tories to make themselves look better
( Inheritance Tax);

5) Creates financial uncertainty in the housing market (Stamp Duty fiasco);

6) Completly lets down the Farming Industry with the Foot and Mouth outbreak by reintroducing the disease from a Government Facility;

7) Keeps fuel taxes up to the highest in Europe claiming rising oil prices when everyone knows the majority is made up of Tax;

8) Continues to be the lacky to a US administration that uses torture and illegal detention without trial;

9) Fails to secure the fuel supplies of the country by selling off Brit gas to be stored abroad only to buy it back at exhorbitant prices later;

10) A government that hides its own corruption by refusing to supply the Public with lists of MP expenses. Expenses payed by the British public;

11) Continues to conduct an illegal war in Iraq which the majority of British public don't support. And on top of this underequip the military to fight this war resulting in unneccessary military casulties.

12) A government that treats its military personnel with contempt by not providing basic living conditions;

All this is just for starters!!




[edit on 13-9-2008 by Circle]


Wow! Couldn't have put it better myself. But I think you missed one out. What about the fact that he subsidises Scotland so that they can give their kids free university education and free parking at hospitals while we in England pay through the nose for both!



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by Circle
Lets look at our unelected PM for a moment:

1) Fails to call an British election even though the majority of Brits wanted it;

2) Refuses to recognize the EU Referendum vote of the Irish electorate and refuses to give British people right to vote;

3) Scraps 10p Tax rate for poorest (that really is an odd socialist policy to have!!)

4) Nicks policies from the Tories to make themselves look better
( Inheritance Tax);

5) Creates financial uncertainty in the housing market (Stamp Duty fiasco);

6) Completly lets down the Farming Industry with the Foot and Mouth outbreak by reintroducing the disease from a Government Facility;

7) Keeps fuel taxes up to the highest in Europe claiming rising oil prices when everyone knows the majority is made up of Tax;

8) Continues to be the lacky to a US administration that uses torture and illegal detention without trial;

9) Fails to secure the fuel supplies of the country by selling off Brit gas to be stored abroad only to buy it back at exhorbitant prices later;

10) A government that hides its own corruption by refusing to supply the Public with lists of MP expenses. Expenses payed by the British public;

11) Continues to conduct an illegal war in Iraq which the majority of British public don't support. And on top of this underequip the military to fight this war resulting in unneccessary military casulties.

12) A government that treats its military personnel with contempt by not providing basic living conditions;

All this is just for starters!!


13. Sits like the fat cat that Labour used to hate.

14. Splits his own party because of his lies under Blair.

15. Has screwed us with state debt under his golden (those he did not sell off) rules.

16. When confronted with a crisis this winter offers a solution to those bills by 2050 when we drop our CO2 output by 80%

17. Bullyed anyone in his own party into not even testing him.

18. Lost all communication with his party and country.

and 19. Be the Prime Minister with lowest social mobility and public confidence on Government since records began.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:35 PM
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Pardon my denseness of parliamentary procedure over there, but Labor could vote in an new leader of their party and then that new leader would become Prime Minister, correct? Would Brown then step down as PM or could he fight it somehow, or would he be just like normal member of Parliament?



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by pavil
Pardon my denseness of parliamentary procedure over there, but Labor could vote in an new leader of their party and then that new leader would become Prime Minister, correct? Would Brown then step down as PM or could he fight it somehow, or would he be just like normal member of Parliament?



As I understand it the people who want him out have to get 70 back bench signatures to cause a leadership challenge. You may remember something similar happened to John Major near the end of his time in office.
If Brown was beaten he would return to the back benchers unless the new PM gave him a job on the front bench, minister for housing, benefits etc.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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He'd be an MP at the behest of the new leader. He would have to be loyal in the early days of his defeat for sure. From a British perspective, Tony Blair promised the British people a full third term of his leadership, the infighting of the Labour party has ensure that they have lied to us, and a third leader, on trust, they would be the only people we wouldn't trust. Price you pay for lieing about third terms to the British people. They're running scared of Iraq, running down our freedoms and seek a strong British power, for their party alone. The only moral vote now is a vote against Labour.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 09:18 PM
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such a pity it was only a plot.

If this zionist # did get wacked, it would guarantee some great parties.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 09:44 PM
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Wow! Couldn't have put it better myself. But I think you missed one out. What about the fact that he subsidises Scotland so that they can give their kids free university education and free parking at hospitals while we in England pay through the nose for both!


well, thats kinda wrong for a start. scotland is the cashcow of the uk FACT.

im from aberdeen, which funny enough is one of eurpoes oil capitals. the scottish argument is a bad one.. scotland the way it is now as its ran by a scottish parliment and not them idiots in london.

i stay in england, i know what its like down here, but the scotland argument is just sensasionalist crap which is spouted by papers like the sun and the daily star., dont believe me? go and buy a copy of the scottish and english copies of the sun on the same day, as i have a few times, you will find they both bash the opposite country with these same arguments. (whish is why i refuse to buy the sun any more, as they just try and stir up trouble for no reason)

the fact of the matter is gordon brown is a complete ass of a pm, and an affront to scotland!



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 04:05 AM
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I've only seen G. Brown in the flesh once at a small Church of Scotland event. The thing which struck me about G. Brown was how awkward he was "pressing the flesh", you could see it writ large in his face, he seemed hugely uncomfortable meeting even a small group of folks. And no sooner had he arrived than he departed. Busy guy, everyone said. But one of the women who knew his family way back just said something along the lines that Gordon was always like that, he was never good with people.

If you hadn't been so familiar with him you'd have honestly thought there was something wrong with the then Chancellor, his social awkwardness was just that noticeable. I saw a news report maybe a year or two back which suggested that the PM has mild Aspergers Syndrome & it really wouldn't surprise me if he does. It could perhaps explain his almost complete inability to connect with his own backbenchers & with the electorate in any way at all.

I think the government have misjudged the public mood ... but what exactly is the public mood ? I'm buggered if I know. Convention dictates it all comes down to how much ££ you've got left after all the bills are paid & that many folks are struggling to balance their own books, what with the increase in petrol, utility bills and food prices. I say that, of course ... that's what we're told anyway.

But yesterday I visited both Asda & Sainsburys (food stores) ... Saturday afternoon too, lucky me huh ... and I was staggered to see the sheer amount of spending going on, trolleys full to the gunnels with food & wotnot. It was the same in the retail park, Comet (electrical retailer) was so busy there were simply no assistants to help with my purchase.

I don't get the public mood at the moment ... people complaining that they're skint yet still spending money as if it were going out of fashion. Leads me to think this is really little more than a severe dose of mid term blues, one the government can ride out but one they'd do better riding out with someone else at the helm.



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 04:30 AM
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Labour have invested a massive amount of money into Education - there are new schools being built all over the place. My daughter now attends a newly built school with fantastic facilities thanks to Labour. Over the past 10 years people have been better off than ever before - I can't beleive how people forget the 18 years of Tories and how bad things got. A few people got rich and millions became poorer. The miners were wiped out simply to reduce trade union power. We could do with the coal now instaed of relying on Russian gas.

I'm certainly not keen on Gordon Brown but on the whole Labour have done a great job. Aprat from Iraq ( a big mistake I know).



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 04:32 AM
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John Hutton, Business Minister, made an interesting statement today (which might cost him his job) when he refused to condemn the rebels - John basically said "he understood them." He even admitted the government was drifting and he failed to make a strong enough defence of Brown.



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 06:12 AM
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Nice post
Does not surprise me. I been saying for ages that Brown's future was dodgy from the word go. But just like any of todays politicians they are a spineless bunch that wont give-up without a size 12 boot up the arse. Makes little difference to me anyways. Just like in the USA I don’t see anything/one available on display that would be a good substitute to vote in. Not that I would vote anyways.

Forty years young is around the corner for me and to be honest I have never voted. My non-vote is by itself a statement of the disgust with politics over the past 20 years. I just don’t trust any of them anymore from the ground up. Too many lies, and to many wars and too much corruption has finally made me a permanent non-voter anyways. Two tier governing for a countries political landscape has proven itself to be flawed time and time again. Not to mention absolutely rotten to the core with self-governing interests that put a big fat cherry on the top of the key positions. Its just all about money and power now, sort of always has been. The mentality seems to be something like...F**k the people, they matter not, just my big swelling bank balance...

It will take a fundamental earth shattering change in Governing/Governments all over to change my mind. Bottom line is like I said, I don’t trust any of them anymore. NOPE sorry not even you Brown as you were just filling dead mans shoes anyways.

If voting changed anything for the good in favour of the Joe public/common man, the ***tards would make it illegal.

Just my 2 cents/tuppenny pence worth
Peace people
Kirky


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posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
I have no idea I'm afraid. To be honest, I want him to stay in. If he survives, somehow, to the next Election then Labour will be unelectable and will lose many of their seats.

I dream for that day, when Labour are the size of the Lib Dems and no one cares to listen to their Socialist bull crap that has ruined this country in the past 10 year.


How very true, i'm on benefits myself but i hate the way labour has made the benefits system so abusable. I've witnessed it first hand when applying for benefits and it drove me up the wall. What people don't get about labour is that they are run by quite a few "ex" socialists. These people never gave up their ideals.

When the conservatives are in power they don't move the goalposts enough. So when labour come back they can slowly socialise everything more and more. The conservatives need to wield some power and completely shake things up.


Originally posted by stumason
People claim they presided over a strong economy, but they inherited that off the Tories in 1997 and then went on a spending spree with the budget surplus they were left with. Now we pay out £27 Billion a year in interest payments alone as a Nation. God knows how much we actually owe!


Oh but you will never get the die hard labout fans to admit that! When labour came into power the world economy in general was on teh verge of booming. Gordon Brown took the credit for what was going to happen anyway. He's called this great chancellor and he just happened to come in at the right time, nothing more, nothing less. Not to mention the borrowing oh and lets never forget he sold a ton of our gold reserves just when gold hit a low. Yeah financial genius.


Originally posted by stumason
And what improvements have we got? The NHS is marginally better, despite tens of billions spent, but the money went on managers to manage managers managing targets. Aside from that, they have done nothing for the British citizens and instead have sold our nation down the river to any tom, dick and harry who wants to come and sponge....


The NHS is slightly better, but actually when you look deeper there are problems. I'm very worried about the NHS as a whole, because labour just throw cash at the situation and we only see tiny increments of improvement. Did you read the story about that hospital that paid tens of thousands of pounds to put large stone balls outside the entrance? That's where money is wasted.

Or how abut my nurse friend who told me that a hospital ordered all new uniforms, they were the wrong colour so they chucked htem all away, binned. Oh or how about the fact that one of the hospitals she worked at received a ton of burn bandages, but they wern't in need of them. So instead of shipping them off to a local hospital specialising in burns, they just dumped them in a skip.



You know stu, sometimes, just sometimes, i absolutely love you
Well said.



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 06:34 AM
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All this needs is a push, preferably a Cabinet minister to join in, if Brown stays silent much longer then this will crush him. If he challenges the rebels then I think there is a 50% chance of them getting enough numbers to call a contest.

Who would you prefer to replace him as PM before the next election?



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by Circle
Lets look at our unelected PM for a moment:

1) Fails to call an British election even though the majority of Brits wanted it;

2) Refuses to recognize the EU Referendum vote of the Irish electorate and refuses to give British people right to vote;

3) Scraps 10p Tax rate for poorest (that really is an odd socialist policy to have!!)

4) Nicks policies from the Tories to make themselves look better
( Inheritance Tax);

5) Creates financial uncertainty in the housing market (Stamp Duty fiasco);

6) Completly lets down the Farming Industry with the Foot and Mouth outbreak by reintroducing the disease from a Government Facility;

7) Keeps fuel taxes up to the highest in Europe claiming rising oil prices when everyone knows the majority is made up of Tax;

8) Continues to be the lacky to a US administration that uses torture and illegal detention without trial;

9) Fails to secure the fuel supplies of the country by selling off Brit gas to be stored abroad only to buy it back at exhorbitant prices later;

10) A government that hides its own corruption by refusing to supply the Public with lists of MP expenses. Expenses payed by the British public;

11) Continues to conduct an illegal war in Iraq which the majority of British public don't support. And on top of this underequip the military to fight this war resulting in unneccessary military casulties.

12) A government that treats its military personnel with contempt by not providing basic living conditions;

All this is just for starters!!


[edit on 13-9-2008 by Circle]


Hello Circle
Yea I could not agree more with ya. Ref;

8) Continues to be the lacky to a US administration that uses torture and illegal detention without trial;

But you could also add panders to” illegal extradition laws” to USA


I did a thread on the Gary McKinnon the hacker case;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

They could be shipping him over any day now to fry for a possible 70years possibly ever try him in a military court. Yea and our government served up his head on a platter “a British citizen” to the US government without a raised eyebrow.

Get labour out ASAP. They are a farce and have slowly degraded this country to unbelievable depths like has been stated elsewhere. I know there’s not much better options or candidates out there, but anything away from labour government at the minute is probably a step in the logical correct direction. Certainly at its least it will be a breath of fresh air. Rubbish the lot of them. By the way my other 2 cents, Maggie and her twat of a son sold boatloads of arms to the middle East and then sent our boys in along with Daddy Bush to die for there little chess game over oil.

Kirky no fan of her either, or any of them. There all Rubbish. We need a new modern day Churchill again, fair, honest, strong and true. Now where did I put my cloning toolbox..lol

Peace
Kirky


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posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 07:00 AM
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But would the British stand for yet another unelected PM?
Even though Brown will be given a rough ride by those within the party, they would surely know that another leadership change would force an early general election - one they would never win.
I think that they would ultimately leave Brown in place whilst they take the gravy train to its final destination because they know they will never get in again.

As for the "good old days" of Thatcher - aren't we now reaping what she sowed? After all, it was her administrationthat allowed the great British sell off of any assets we had l - good grief we don't even own our own water supply!

Most ordinary people are now disenfranchised with no one to represent them in government. We have become so cynical that we are not only unsurprised when ministers are caught feathering their own nests, we actually expect them to do it.
A very sorry state of affairs for the British electorate.



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 07:30 AM
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In Britain, we need a new party to govern. We've had Labour and Conservative for far too long - the Liberal Democrats are too weak to pose a serious threat.

After the next election, I expect the Green Party and the BNP to get MPs to the chamber - which will shake up the establishment. A radical shift at Parliament will increase voter turnout (even though it is increasing due to voters wanting Labour out.)



posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
In Britain, we need a new party to govern. We've had Labour and Conservative for far too long - the Liberal Democrats are too weak to pose a serious threat.

After the next election, I expect the Green Party and the BNP to get MPs to the chamber - which will shake up the establishment. A radical shift at Parliament will increase voter turnout (even though it is increasing due to voters wanting Labour out.)


The BNP, if the BNP got in they'd i'd try staging a revolt, they're racist scumbags who openly admit wanting a white Britain. Well i'll be the first white man to stand up to them because they're hideous.

The green party are insane, whilst they have some moderate policies, their extreme views are worrying. Labour are full on socialist now, the lib dems aren't really much better. Some of the lib dems think we should try and understand paedophiles to help them -.-

The conservatives aren't majorly impressing me at the moment, it seems we have no real political party that relates to the people in any major way. We're lurching from one party to another, choosing the lesser of evils instead of trying to encourage a better change.



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