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Forum Reference Index AND Thread for Discussing anything related to 9/11, Pentagon, etc.

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posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 09:16 AM
Great link ECK. Those videos need to be released. The pentagon security video footage is very strange, I mean that does not look like a 757. Interesting little picture of that American Airlines small passenger jet. I mena a video like that with all the evidence squeezed together could have you convinced. It's just the fact that they found luggage and bodies.

i think the interesting things are the fact that the manouver would have been impossible for an amatuer pilot to pull off in such an aircraft. There is little rubble from the plane and the lawn in front lookes fine. I mean where are all the seats and the papers and the luggage and the wings and jets? If the plane just 'disintegrated' like many people claim then why is there a small hole that punctures through three sections of the pentagons structure? This:

Eyewitness Testimony of a C-130 Transport plane Escorting the Doomed 757
Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 14, 2001; TERRY SCANLON Daily Press;

Her brother, [Keith Wheelhouse], of Virginia Beach, spotted the planes first. The second plane looked similar to a C- 130 transport plane, he said. He believes it flew directly above the American Airlines jet, as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon.

Wheelhouse's account of a second plane is unlike everything else that has been reported about the attack. Some initial reports on television said a second airliner might be headed for the Pentagon, but authorities later dismissed that. A Norfolk-based FBI agent interviewed Wheelhouse Wednesday evening.

A possible explanation for the second plane could be a plane landing at nearby Ronald Reagan National Airport. The Pentagon is between the cemetery and the airport. But Wheelhouse insists he was not confused by other air traffic.

Daily Press; Newport News; Sep 15, 2001; TERRY SCANLON Daily Press;

Kelly Knowles, a First Colonial High School alumnus who now lives in an apartment a few miles from the Pentagon, said some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion.

At the same time, [Keith Wheelhouse] and his sister, Pam Young, who lives in Surry, were preparing to leave a funeral at Arlington National Cemetery, which is less than a mile from the Pentagon, when they watched the jet approach and slam into the Pentagon. Both of them, as well as at least one other person at the funeral, insist that there was another plane flying near the hijacked jet.

Over a month later Pentagon officials finally decide to deliver a convenient story that the mystery plane WAS in fact a c-130 that flew out of Andrews Air force base and just happened to see flight 77 on its way to destruction. It followed the plane on a request from air traffic control. If this is true, surely you’d think that a fighter from the same base could have intercepted the plane instead of having to ask a c-130 that just happened to be in the area to have a look?

Could this explain some of the eyewhitness acounts of seeing a large plane flying low near the pentagon just before it happened?

[edit on 30/8/2004 by earthtone]

posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 09:35 AM
I don’t see why people are not questioning Rummy on his statement
He said it was a missile!

Secretary Rumsfeld Interview with Parade Magazine
Friday, Oct 12 2001
‘Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.unquote’

posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 09:40 AM
Nice one sauron. Was that a little slip of the tounge there maybe?

posted on Aug, 30 2004 @ 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Sauron
I don’t see why people are not questioning Rummy on his statement
He said it was a missile!

Secretary Rumsfeld Interview with Parade Magazine
Friday, Oct 12 2001
‘Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.unquote’

Most excellent point.

We have got to get an independent truth commission to investigate. But then again, there would be no subpoena powers. We need to DEMAND ALL relevant tapes be made available. The fact that they're suppressing them says it all.

posted on Sep, 1 2004 @ 12:24 AM
I am now ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED 911 was engineered with complicity of the FBI.
Here is a video that shows construction spools on the ground infront ot the impact zone at the pentagon. How did the plane go lower than the untouched windows and yet over the spools, a 757 no less and not even burn the grass, this is impossible.
[sorry if this link has already been posted]
What did the FBI do with the Sheraton's security video of the plane[and missile] hitting the pentagon? The security video at the service station across from the pentagon? The freeway monitoring cameras?

Americans we live in country headed by liars.

posted on Sep, 7 2004 @ 04:20 AM

September 11th was planned for 4 years...
The government knew about pearl harbour and let it happen
Most of Enrons files were stored at the WTC.
The stock market was down 900 points in the weeks before Sept. 11
The war is about Drugs and Oil..... The CiA sells drugs to keep a steady cashflow in the US, because we have a better chance of avoiding a stock crash. Bushs' Grandfather financed Hitler before, durning and after the war
Bushs' Father Armed Saddam Hussein just to Attack him.
The government provoked the pearl harbour bombing by cutting off a major oil supply.
Osama was trained and funded by the CIA and after Sept 11 he recieved medical treatment at a US Medical Centre in a foriegn country.
There are documents showing the head pilot of the highjacked planes recieved 500,000.00 2 weeks before the attack.

This and much more at

Search for "The Truth and Lie of 9/11" on a p2p server (preferably Shareaza) it is unrefutable evidence of a government with no concern for what is right, or its citizens.

Also check out

[edit on 3/10/04 by dnero6911]

posted on Oct, 24 2004 @ 04:07 PM
Does the French government have to assume saying the truth in the matter of the 2 journalists held in Iraq? Christian Cotten – 11 09 04

As frequently out of political and military matter, reality is well far from the information offered to general public and generally exceeds the fiction.

Thus it is about the matter of the two journalists hostages in Iraq, Christian Chesnot and George Malbrunot, removed in Iraq on last 24 August.

Officially, those are held by malicious islamists accessory to international terrorism and the United States is the allies of France.

Larger world cannot continue to believe in this reading.

The French government knows the truth. To dare to assume it publicly could to date accelerate the release of the hostages.

To really make it would start a very heavy dispute with the Zionists and American soldiers. The dilemma is particularly delicate.

Information we have to date makes it possible to affirm what follows. They are confirmed and crossed by several other very different observers and commentators.

The American government and the Zionists soldiers are applying their passenger waybill: "with us or against us, with the US army or the terrorists". The American army and Mossad want to force Paris to be engaged militarily in Iraq. Certain services of the French Army and certain members of the administration of the French State are directly under their orders, and play against the policy of the French government.

The two French hostages and their Syrian guide are currently well treated (9/11/04), protected and in good health, in the hands of units of Iraqi resistance. This one wants to release them after having withdrawn them to their kidnappers and awaits France to assume clearly the current political situation.

These hostages, who, like much of French journalists in Iraq, are in relation to certain French external services, were kidnapped last August by mercenaries ("the Islamic army in Iraq") controlled by the Iraqi Prime Minister, Mr. Allaoui, with an aim of making pressure on France to oblige it upon an engagement at the sides of the American army, on the Italian model.

Mr. Allaoui returns account directly to Mr. Négroponte and beyond to Messrs Paul Wolfowicz and Ariel Sharon, to make simple.

These hostages were released recently by qualified units of the Iraqi resistance, which, to date, works in a way increasingly unified under the aegis of a collective of the religious guides. The takers of hostages were killed, wounded or stopped in the attack which allowed the release of the two journalists by the commando of Iraqi resistance.

The Iraqi resistance does not want to fight against France, quite to the contrary. The two journalists have information which disturbs the American army much as well as the Israeli and Iraqi governments and they are actually a target for those, which want their death: their effective disappearancee would arrange many people on the américano-Zionist side.

From a global point of view, American and Zionists want to ensure their safety by controlling by the armed force all the area of the Middle East and, for that, want at all costs to obtain the support of Europe and, in the first head, of France.

On the ground, few after the first release of the two French hostages by Iraqi resistance, the French services were informed of their place lodging. A few pairs of hours later, the American army bombarded, on the basis of information transmitted by certain members of the French services devoted to Mossad.

Very difficult posture, obviously, for the French government. In the same time, information starts to come out of the Pentagon, concerning the implication of certain French in the operation of September 11, 2001.

Early or late, the French government will have to go much further than today in the revealing from the truth: a world war from now on is launched and France will have to assume this position of the greatest dangers, "between two fires": the United States and Israel on a side, people of the Moslem world of the other.

How France will succeed in maintaining its interior peace and act effectively for the return to peace in the Middle East, when it is known that the will of the current American government and the Zionists soldiers, who hold the capacity in Israel, is to set ablaze the whole area to subject the Moslem world militarily and to control the roads of oil?

Which will be the role and the posture of France in this world war from now open? It could be that each French citizen has to put this question very soon, plus some others.

Today, does the French government have to assume to help the people of Iraq or to yield with the Zionists and American diktats?

Does it have to support the release of the hostages actively or must it sacrifice them to our good (?) relations with Israel and Washington?

How each French citizen will be able to act for peace on the planet and in our beautiful country?

It could be that a beginning of answer is this one: to help all our controlling to reach a radical stage in their level of conscience, towards more clearness, of courage, of determination, peace and of unconditional love…, to be able to face violences with love and sovereignty: to say not to the Zionists and American soldiers, to say not to the islamist terrorism, to offer peace and love to the Moslem world and to help the américano-Zionists soldiers to leave their increasingly violent paranoia.

And still this other beginning of answer: to mobilize and support the women of France and besides, to ask them to impose Peace on the more violent males…

Heavy program. The prayer and the meditation are good bases of work.

Christian Cotten


French hostages in Iraq:

Is the French government ready to assume its responsibilities by confronting the American government with its duplicity?

Official statement of Politique de Vie, Christian Cotten and Smaïn Bedrouni - October 6 2004

Information of which we lay out makes us able to date to affirm what follows: The qualified people on this file will be able to checkcompletely the relevance of our information and cross them with other articles available on the medias and Internet.

The French deputy Didier Julia could not bring back the hostages George Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot for the following reasons:

The Iraqi government and the Pentagon have put all works about it for several weeks to physically eliminate these hostages and those who protect them (and not "hold them"), by intensive bombardments from the zones where those are; many resistant and civil Iraqi were already killed out of this fact.

The groups of Iraqi resistants who protects the hostages after having released them from their kidnappers ("the Islamic Army in Iraq", under the orders of the Prime Minister Allaoui) were systematically the object of air raids and bombardments, with three recoveries, in positions which had obviously been communicated to the American army; the only interceptions of the communications cannot explain the precision of the attacks, which made each time many deaths, while saving by miracle the French hostages; The Iraqi resistance is to date persuaded that some members of the French services seek to discredit the French government as well as the Iraqi resistance and played a "double game" by transmitting precise informations to the American soldiers to allow them to carry out their attacks. And this while at the same time Michel Barnier, our Foreign Minister, is regarded as an honest man making of the sincere efforts to obtain the return of the hostages.

The UMP deputy Didier Julia thus gradually was suspected then convinced to mislead the French government as well as the Iraqi resistance and thus lost any credibility, whereas the Iraqi resistant made much to help the two hostages.

Didier Julia is to date considered by the Iraqi resistance to be a representative of the Mossad. The fact is that Mr. Julia actively helped this secret service in the business of the Frigates of Cherbourg, placed under embargo and recovered by an Israeli commando on December 25, 1969 (the World, 2.10.04, Yves Bordenave).

The fact is, in spite of its bonds with the Israeli government, that Mr. Julia did not succeed in obtaining an American safety necessary to the return of the hostages.

Some Iraqi resistants consider that the attempt to recover the hostages by Mr. Julia was in fact a trap intended to eliminate and the hostages and the group from resistant who protect them.

For all these reasons, Mr. Julia, in spite of his relations with former members of the Baas party, cannot be held for a valid interlocutor by those whoch wish to release the hostages as soon as possible.


- Who, within the French government, chose to send this man in Iraq, knowing its bonds with Israel precisely?

- Who transmits informations to the American army on the positions of the group which protects the hostages?

- Who does Mr. Didier Julia protect within the French Ministry of Defence?

- Why the nationalist Al Kubaysi, implied in the negotiations between the French diplomats and resistance, is held today by the Iraqi government?

- How the hostages did change hands, between the Islamic Army of Iraq which removed them last August and the groups of the resistance which protect them to date?

- And why the services of the Prime Minister Allaoui seek do to recover the hostages?

These days, hundreds of Iraqi die under the cluster bombs, without anybody moving: the Iraqi resistance awaits France to assume saying the truth and put an end to this true war of extermination of too many civil assassinated each day in the name of "the fight against terrorism".

Several hundreds of women and children have been stopped till a few weeks by the Iraqi government of Allaoui, under the control of Mr. Négroponte, for purposes to obtain the rendering of many resistant, in the south and the west of the country and in Baghdad also.

Actually, to date, strictly nothing prevents the "release" of the French hostages by the Iraqi resistance between the hands of interlocutors who would be regarded as honest, reliable and sure, except an imperative reason: their safety, radically endangered by American military violences.

To date, the French government could, either directly, or with the assistance of some intermediaries recognized by the two parts, obtain the very fast return of the hostages in France. In a condition and only one: that Messrs Chirac, Barnier and De Villepin obtain from the American government the absolute and public insurance of an effective truce in the American attacks against Iraqi resistance, at least time that this one can give the hostages in full safety to a man charge of mission by the French government, at a point to determine on the irako-Syrian border. And, beyond a truce of the engagements, and the insurance of safety for a medical corridors and humane convoys awaited, is required to help the besieged civil populations.

The question which thus arises to date is simple: is the French government able to obtain from the Pentagon and Mr. George W Bush the guarantees of safety necessary to the repatriation of George Malbrunot and Christian Chesnot? Perhaps, will Mr. Jacques Chirac be able pleasantly to explain to his American counterpart that, in this election time, it would be wiser to solve quickly this business in a spirit of pacification, right before the international conference planned for the end of November on Iraq has not begin yet?

Response in a few hours or days.

Published this day October 6, 2004 on our site and transmitted to 6 300 Internet readers of Politique de Vie and, by e-mail, to the whole members of the French Parliament and some services of the State.

Christian Cotten


PS : The Zionists are not the Jews.

[edit on 24/10/2004 by Alchy]

[edit on 11/11/2004 by Alchy]

posted on Oct, 28 2004 @ 05:21 AM
I was reading through the BBC Online 9/11 eyewitness accounts and noticed this one very disturbing account from an Eric Levine who worked on the 64th floor of the South Tower (WTC2)

Eric Levine eyewitness account

The following two paragraphs really caught my attention:

We had reached either the 51st or the 50th floor when we heard a huge explosion, which shook the building like crazy! I grabbed hold of the stairwell to steady myself when a women who had fallen from a flight up hit me in the back and sent me down a flight of stairs with her on my back.

I then tried to stand up but the building was still shaking and the lights were flickering on and off. It was terrifying! Then the building began to sink. That’s the only way I can describe it. The floor began to lower under my feet and all I could think about was that it would crack open and I would fall hundreds of feet to my death!

This ties in with FDNY and other eyewitness reports of further explosions within the buildings and leads credence to the suggestion that the buildings were demolished with explosives.

posted on Oct, 28 2004 @ 06:08 AM
Wow uknumpty that is quite a find. When I first started reading it I figured the explosion he mentioned was the first tower falling but then he tells that when he came out of the building both towers were still standing and fell shortly after he got out.

posted on Oct, 28 2004 @ 06:17 AM
Also remember that the South Tower or WTC2 (which he was in) fell first.

posted on Oct, 29 2004 @ 03:24 PM
Iif you do a serch for Bush srs new world order speech it will tell you it was made on sept 11 1991 ten years to the day of the wtc attack.... i honestly beleive that the attacks we planned by the US government as will th next terrorists attacks al quieda is jsut a nice scapegoat IMO also i read that the people accused to be on the plane were alive and well

posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:12 PM

Originally posted by muttmutt
Iif you do a serch for Bush srs new world order speech it will tell you it was made on sept 11 1991 ten years to the day of the wtc attack.... i honestly beleive that the attacks we planned by the US government as will th next terrorists attacks al quieda is jsut a nice scapegoat IMO also i read that the people accused to be on the plane were alive and well

I dont mean to nitpick but i was searching google and it would appear that President George Herbert Walker Bush spoke before a joint session of Congress on September 11, 1990 at 9:09 PM, making the speech 11 years previous to the 11/9/2001 WTC and Pentagon attacks, not 10.
Bush stated an opportunity for a "New World Order" had emerged regarding the Persian Gulf War.

Does the number 11 hold significance here? Its improbable but not impossible that its merely coincidental.

Link to transcript in its intirety (Taken from the Bush library via )

[edit on 29-11-2004 by MERC]

[edit on 29-11-2004 by MERC]

posted on Dec, 7 2004 @ 07:37 AM
wow this stuff is awesome. I like this site already!

posted on Dec, 17 2004 @ 03:11 AM
I am just wondering whether there are any 'aerial' images of the Twin Towers at the point of impact, say from SAT Cams?

posted on Dec, 27 2004 @ 02:48 AM

I dont mean to nitpick but i was searching google and it would appear that President George Herbert Walker Bush spoke before a joint session of Congress on September 11, 1990 at 9:09 PM, making the speech 11 years previous to the 11/9/2001 WTC and Pentagon attacks, not 10.
Bush stated an opportunity for a "New World Order" had emerged regarding the Persian Gulf War.

Does the number 11 hold significance here? Its improbable but not impossible that its merely coincidental.

On Alex Jones' film "911: The Road to Tyranny", it says September 11, 1991.

posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 08:49 PM
Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about
fascism which appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of
humanist thought.

Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini
(Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile).

He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these
the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is "Fascism

Lawrence Britt, Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20.

The 14 characteristics are:

> 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to
make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and
other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols
on clothing and in public displays.

> 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of
enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are
persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because
of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of
torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of

> 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The
people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to
eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or
religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists,

> 4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of
government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers
and military service are glamorized.

> 5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be
almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional
gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as
is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

> 6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly
controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is
indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media
spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is
very common.

> 7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a
motivational tool by the government over the masses.

> 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in
fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as
a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and
terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major
tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's
policies or actions.

> 9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business
aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the
government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial
business/government relationship and power elite.

> 10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of
labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions
are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

> 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations
tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and
academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to
be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly
attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

> 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes,
the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The
people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego
civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national
police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

> 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost
always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint
each other to government positions and use governmental power and
authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not
uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures
to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

> 14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations
are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear
Campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use
of legislation to control voting numbers or political district
boundaries, and manipulation of the media.

Fascist nations also typically Use their judiciaries to manipulate
or control elections.

Any of this sound familiar?

posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 08:56 PM
Gee, impressive list there, Rod_Munch.

One big problem though.
Seems your listing there can qualify a host of nation's, not specifically the one you are insinuating.

Ironic, huh?


posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 09:35 PM
911 was a stage our governments cover ups are getting weak!!! i'm ex military i studied demolitions you don't crash 2 planes into 2 very high towers and send them crashing straight down!!!!!!! does not happen!!!!!! bringing down a tower that size takes a talent!!! it is a direct science to do that!!!!!! the government takes us for fools to think we will believe that mess!!!!!!!! sounds like someone in our gov. is trying hard to cover his tracks!!!!!!!!!! i wonder who that might be????????????? could it be our....pres.????????..., just like roswell!! the goverment says a "major" a high ranking officer in the army air corp. who worked with weather ballons on a daily basis mistaked one for a ufo?????......thats saying a guy who has been a master mechanic for 25 years mistaked a piston for a tire!!!!!!!! give me a break!!!!!!!! i'm insulted!!!!!!!! that the gov. thinks we are that stupid to believe this mess!!!!!!!!!!

posted on Dec, 31 2004 @ 09:45 PM
just had to throw this in the mix!!!, about what rumsfeld said to the soldiers in Iraq when they asked for better re-enforced armor and rumsfeld says your a soldier be happy with what you got!!!, they need to stuff rumsfeld and any other suit who feels the same way that he does in one of those dismol light armor vehicles and put them out in the middle of the fighting in iraq to get shot at and fired on...we'll see how long it takes rumsfeld and those other bozo's to change their minds on that subject!!!!!!!

posted on Jan, 22 2005 @ 09:23 PM
9/11: Bush In-Actions

8:46 A.M. Flight 11 hits the north tower, 1 World Trade Center

At 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. The news anchors, reporters, and viewers had little idea what had happened in lower Manhattan, but there were some people who did know. By that time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Secret Service, and Canada's Strategic Command all knew that three commercial airplanes had been hijacked. They knew that one plane had been flown deliberately into the World Trade Center's North Tower; a second plane was wildly off course and also heading toward Manhattan; and a third plane had abruptly turned around over Ohio and was flying back toward Washington, DC.

On National TV, Mayor Rudy Guliani states that he immdiately knew it was an attack by a commercial airplane and suspected Osama bin Laden.

So why, at 9:03 a.m. - fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack - did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op?

9:05 A.M. Bush is fully involved in the reading lesson with the second-graders and the goat story. His chief of staff Andrew Card, whispers into his ear, "A second plane has hit the World Trade Center. America is under attack." He says nothing in response, but continues with the goat story after a brief pause. The US Commander in Chief continues DOING NOTHING for as long as 20 minutes.

Bush's actions that morning. The excuses they put forward are absurd:

He was "gathering his thoughts." [Could you imagine a fireman saying he was gathering his thoughts for 27 minutes while people burned in a building? A field commander gathering his thoughts for a quarter of an hour as an enemy fired upon his battalion?]

"The President felt he should project strength and calm until he could better understand what was happening." [Bush could know what's happening by sitting there and reading about a goat for 5, 10 or 20 minutes? This is MUCH worse than the Reagan WHite House run with fortune teller directions!]

"He didn't want to scare the children." [The children didn't mind seeing buildings blown up or people jumping from the 6,000 degree fires, but OH how a president excusing himself from a goat reading could cause major psychological harm! And, we TRUST this man to protect us and make competent decisions?]

Who Was Responsible for What on the Day of September 11, 2001? When called by NORAD, Bush failed to respond in a way designed to save lives.

The time required from the notification to scramble to one of these planes being airborne and at top speed is about 12-15 minutes. F-15 (Eagle): From Air Force fact sheet: "The F-15 Eagle is an all-weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter designed to permit the Air Force to gain and maintain air superiority in aerial combat." This plane can reach an astounding maximum speed of 1,875 mph. "The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack." The craft can go from zero to 500 mph in about 2 minutes. Its top speed is about 1,500 mph, while its typical cruising speed is nearly 600 mph. In other words, if a plane had been scrambled from Andrews, just 10 miles away as the crow (or F-16) flies, it would have been able to engage Flight 77 within 15 minutes from the time the call came in.

Where does the buck stop in the BuSh White House?

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