It is looking like a victory for John McCain, page 1


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reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 03:42 PM by Benevolent Heretic
I look at this site because it has so many polls. Looks like McCain is up by 2.5 overall...

I still think it's too early to tell and I'm not sure if the polls will be accurate this year because from what I have read, there are a lot of new, young people who have registered to vote. I'm not sure all demographics are being covered with the polls. I have never put much weight into them.

In 2004, the gallup poll had Kerry and Bush tied at 49%. The election results were 48% for Kerry and 51% for Bush. So, 3-5 % in the polls is simply meaningless in my opinion.

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But, do I think McCain is going to win? Yeah. I think he will.


reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 03:47 PM by semperfortis
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



I believe that a 3% differentiation in the polls is what is considered a "Dead Heat"...

I also think that it is FAR too early to be getting comfortable with any candidate actually winning...

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reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 03:47 PM by bknapple32
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Yea, you beat me too it Bh. realclearpolitics.com is a great source of unbias political tracking. but only to the point that polls can only tell us so much. to say it looks like MCcain is going to win based on polls in Sept before any of the debates is just bad speculation at this point. nothing against the OP but cant we all just agree its way too early to tell.


reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 04:11 PM by bknapple32
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I think this the tactic of if you say something enough, people will believe it. If enough people keep saying how McCain is going to win, that mindset is put in everyones heads. thus making us less thrilled about Obama. A frenzy is created, and then magically we start hearing stories that there is trouble brewing in the Obama camp.

All started with the polls creating people talking. This works both ways, for both parites. To me, I equate it with college football polls.

they have polls for the first week of the season based on pure opinion and simple conjecture. There have been no games played, yet we are supposed to believe that Georgia is the number one team. Well after one week, the polls changed and now its USC.

Same thing with this election. We have polls with zero debates completed. After the first debate, the polls will surely shift. And again after the second and third.

Just as I think there shouldnt be polls in College football until after at least week 4 or 5, I think that polls wont matter till after the first or second debate.

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reply posted on 13-9-2008 @ 12:38 PM by kidflash2008
Sen McCain's campaign was going downhill real fast in November of 2007. The pundits thought he would drop out, but Sen McCain knew he would do well in New Hampshire and focused there with his town hall meetings.
Fast forward to the approaching conventions, and Sen McCain saw a sizable number of disaffected Hillary voters. He waited until the Democratic Convention was over and everyone was predicting Sen Obama's victory. Sen McCain did something that was incredibly bold and shocked (even the Republicans) by choosing Gov Palin to be his running mate. The conventional wisdom was Mitt Romney or some other pale male. He energized his conservative base (a few percentage may have voted for Bob Barr), and even managed to get a good deal of former Hillary supporters (the older white women). Sen McCain saw a huge surge in his donations, so he will be able to compete in more states.
When the polls are broken down, Sen McCain is trouncing Sen Obama in the white vote. Sen McCain knew he needed the women's vote, or he would be toast. The picking of Gov Palin, while some say it is pandering, is working.

What can Sen Obama do? He must have more of the town hall type meetings in middle America. He has to really campaign on a personal level, something he has a big weakness in. He has to explain to the middle class blue collar workers why they should vote for him. He also has to court the Hispanic vote as Sen McCain will definitely go after them now and remind them of his friendly votes their way. Finally, he must get out the vote. The turnout will be key in the close races.

Sen McCain is a likable former Vietnam POW, and he will play a more fatherly figure to Gov Palin's motherly and sisterly (to some of us older voters).

I also base my opinion on how the polls are with Sen McCain getting 50% of the support. It is very difficult to take support away in this part of the game as it is to get the undecided vote. They usually split 50/50, so I can't see Sen Obama benefiting from that vote.


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 12:50 PM by kidflash2008
Update:
The latest poll averages from states looks like Sen Obama will squeak by:

news.yahoo.com...

DE, MD, DC, VT, HI will go to Sen Obama, giving him a 271 electoral count victory. This one will have to wait for Hawaii to call it! That is close.

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