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Venezuela's Chavez expels U.S. ambassador

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posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 11:41 AM
Its obvious that most here do not know what "socialism" is any more than they know the difference between that, communism, dictators, or anarchists. Russia was "socialism" no more than america is "democracy". Russias was more of an authoritarian dictatorship, and america is more of a corporate fascism. Russia, the "soviet" union started off as a socialism, and "soviets" were the name given to small communal groups where everyone in the local community was invited to come and vote on local legislations. It was quickly usurped by the massive government, and this voting went by the wayside as the government took complete control and it became more a form of dictatorship. This is not necessarily the way socialism HAS to go, just shows that people in power are always grasping for more, and is no different from our system in the US in that the poor people have very little protection against powerful rich predators. If we are wronged, their money buys them more "freedom" from punishment, buys them more "democracy" in this country of ours. They can kill us with medicine and get off scot free, they can sell us predatory loans and mortgages, and if we default we are held to flame, but if THEY practice bad business, they are bailed out with our tax dollars. They can tamper with votes and never be called to count. The press here gets away with flagrant bias and hiding or spinning of information, and any ideas from the other side are largely forbidden by corporate powers, and this is our "free" media. And many people are afraid to speak on this site because of our "free" speech.

posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 03:01 PM
reply to post by pexx421

That's a pretty good evaluation.

I'm in agreement with you though the international banking cartel is truely to blame here for whats gone wrong here in America. See my links below where my signature is for more. Its all there.

They opening claim what we know to be the truth. Their victims past and present have revealed this 'matrix' society to a tee.

posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 06:05 PM
I've read the article as well as the thread, and it never ceases to annoy me how quickly we on either side of "the pond" can quickly flush a thread down the drain of a jingoistic pissing contest.

The post prior to mine makes perhaps the best point I've seen thus far. Specifically, that our world [that's yours and mine] has been co-opted [to put it lightly] by international banking interests.

And while we quibble like school children over whose country is a bigger source of douchebags, TPTB continue to charge us for their ownership.

Some years ago, when the steel-stoned Chavez called my president "el Diablo", I thought "good for him. Bush is an idiot."

Regardless of Pres. Bush's perceived idiocy, I find myself today being far less eager to co-sign the divisive and certainly-political ministrations of yet another international oil man.

I hope that it's apparent to you, reader, that I'm no "fan" of our 43rd president. That said, I don't take kindly to citizens of any country painting Americans one way or another in broad, bashing strokes. Such petty dialogue is, quite frankly, beneath me.

And it should be beneath ATSer's in general. Like so much of the primitive political crap that's been thankfully pushed off our boards of late.

If you hate America, that's your right as a human being. And I'm in no position, nor would I ever want to be, to claim any right to tell another adult what or how to think or feel. That's a full-time job, and I'd be the one, ultimately, paying the biggest price, in peace of mind.

However, if you are a "hater", as the kids say, of America[ns], or any other nation and/or her people, for that matter, then I merely suggest that you contemplate long and hard exactly what it is that you "hate" so much. Furthermore, for my fellow Americans with such short-sighted contempt for our still-great nation, would you care to suggest alternatives? Or, are you more pathologically "comfortable" in dwelling on the negative?

posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 02:05 AM

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by ben420

Points to the U.S. for kicking out Bolivia's ambassador for cracking down on protests. Its time to stand up to socialism.

Maybe you should think about standing up to the fascism in your own country before you go sticking your nose into other nations business.

America is a much greater threat to me than Venezuela will ever be.

posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 02:12 AM
USA is a fascist Genocidal empire that is trying to Destabilise poor south american nations like Bolivia and Venezuala ,

to keep the evil US empire at bay, Venezuala will need nukes and hopefully they should get them , hook or crook ,

or else US genocidal maniac govt will do the same in venezuala , what it did in iraq

God bless Venezuala and others who fight the Satanic imperialist American empire

[edit on 14-9-2008 by manson_322]

posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 02:38 AM
I'm sorry to say this but the US is pretty close to a fascist state right now. Patriot Act 1 & 2, Warrantless Wiretapping, Homeland Security, Police forces increasing the level of brutality when dealing with protesters, the list goes on. Fix things in your own country first before telling other countries how to run theirs, and fixing things is in the power of the people except most are too lazy to do it. Flood your representatives with calls and emails, letters and make the peoples voice heard. If they don't listen use your constitution to get rid of them while you still can.

[edit on 14-9-2008 by DEEZNUTZ]

posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 03:13 AM
reply to post by deltaboy

"Points to the U.S. for kicking out Bolivia's ambassador for cracking down on protests. Its time to stand up to socialism."

Say what? Nice piece of irony there, Deltaboy. Very astute in light of what happened to protesters and dissenters in the Twin Cities during the RNC convention. And so subtle on your part. Well said.

[edit on 9/14/2008 by dubiousone]

posted on Sep, 14 2008 @ 04:14 AM
Just wondering if anyone here has seen the documentary, "The Revolution Will Not be Televised." It will provide some insight into Venezuela, and what exactly happened during the coup. Check it out if you can, it's pretty good, but also hard to find as it is banned here in the land of freedom.

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