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Topic started on 11-9-2008 @ 03:59 PM by 4x4fun
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CBS News has jumped into the middle of the presidential race, forcing YouTube to take down a Web ad by John McCain’s campaign that the network calls
“misleading” in its use of Katie Couric.
The ad, entitled “Lipstick,” accuses Barack Obama of calling McCain running mate Sarah Palin a lipstick-wearing pig. It features at the end a
quote from Couric bemoaning the “continued and accepted role of sexism in American life.” Couric at the time was referring to Democratic primary
coverage of Sen. Hillary Clinton.
The ad ends with a picture of Obama and a caption reading, “Ready to lead? No. Ready to smear? Yes.”
[link elections.foxnews.com...][/link]
So what now, are they going to do this for every video they don't like? hmm...
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:12 PM by Alxandro
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Nah that's nothing.
It's just a new form of censorship that seems to be rampant, that's all.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:13 PM by SectionEight
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This is proof positive that the media is in bed for Obama. Stepping in on a candidates behalf is abominable.
This opens a dangerous precedent, every ad from here on out on youtube will be attempted to be censored. CBS supports censorship. Youtube is under
attack. The internet has just been brutally violated.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:14 PM by ItsTheQuestion
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After seeing the ad yesterday, I wondered if CBS/Katie Couric [not the most conservative of news sources] would take umbrage with her image being used
in a McCain ad.
Apparently, steps have been taken.
No matter. The mudslinging will continue. That's what the people want, whether they like it or not...even though they LOVE it.
Perhaps Dr. Phil could moderate a debate. Criss Angel can appear with the final question, then explode in a blaze of hair spray.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:15 PM by ItsTheQuestion
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If Chuck Norris or Bill O' appeared in an Obama ad, would you guys still be crying foul?
Just askin'...
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:18 PM by ZindoDoone
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Look like censorship is rampant at all levels...even here on ATS!!! Realy makes you wonder just what it is everyone is afraid of in the political
arena??
Zindo 
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:19 PM by ATruGod
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Maybe Couric wanted them removed...it doesnt matter.
Its cute how they ask in the ad "Ready to Smear?" when really thats all this ad is doing. Another double standard.
Back to the damn issues people!!
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:22 PM by RRconservative
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CBS was a day late and a dollar short.
McCain's camp knew what they were doing, get out an effective ad in a few hours, let the media get ahold of it and report it, and before CBS feigned
outrage the damage was done.
Response to Alxandro:
Nah that's nothing.
It's just a new form of censorship that seems to be rampant, that's all.
This new form of censorship IS rampant. Great observation.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:26 PM by SectionEight
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Originally posted by ATruGod
Maybe Couric wanted them removed...it doesnt matter.
Its cute how they ask in the ad "Ready to Smear?" when really thats all this ad is doing. Another double standard.
Back to the damn issues people!!
If I say something bad and you point it out to everyone, are you just as bad as me? Think about it. Should I be able to keep saying bad things and
never be challenged? That is the standard Obama's campaign seeks.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 04:49 PM by lee anoma
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When will the whining end?
Originally posted by 4x4fun
So what now, are they going to do this for every video they don't like? hmm...
Do you think labeling someone a sexist for using a common figure of speech is a bit PC?
Isn't this an affront to free speech? Most conservatives abhor those types of action.
If anything it seems the McCain camp is adopting its own form of censorship by pulling the politically correct "sexism" card to attack Obama, not
unlike the "race" card they claimed Obama used on them.
It goes both ways folks.
If Obama had called her a pig this would be a big issue but he didn't so it isn't.
Also if CBS does not want Couric used in a political smear ad then they have every right to ask it be removed. She was not addressing the issue of
Obama and his use of the expression. You do know in the real world you may need to get the consent of someone you plan to use in any advertisement
before you publish it and disseminate it to the public?
P.S. Here's a simple solution without raising the paranoid evil-media alarm: Edit the Couric part OUT of the ad. Remove CBS from
the equation that never should have included them at all. Then you can still be free to cry sexist foul in the ad without dishonestly making it seem
legitimized by a major news network..
My goodness it's that simple.
- Lee
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 05:03 PM by Alxandro
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Originally posted by lee anoma
If Obama had called her a pig this would be a big issue but he didn't so it isn't.
It seems the words "pig" and "lipstick" are now off limits, here and everywhere else and to be honest, so you are right.
...BUT don't forget, during the same speech he also made reference to "a fish", and don't forget, a Barracuda is a fish.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:10 PM by titorite
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I just checked and I found the ad still on youtube. w613nayrYwo .. That was the ID number I think....Anyways, CBS aint the big bad bear they WANT to
be. Not on the net. Thats why they demonize all things internet related. They only WISH they could control it like they can control their programming.
Edit: link to the ad
[edit on 10/18/2007 by titorite]
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:41 PM by Benevolent Heretic
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CBS and Katie Couric have every right to ask that she not be used in a deceitful ad. I don't see the problem. If Bill O'reilly was featured in an
Obama ad looking like he was supporting him or shaming McCain, I'm 100% sure he and FOX would have something to say about it. And I would support him
in it, too.
The video is still on YouTube, so I'm not sure this story is true.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:52 PM by LLoyd45
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whether the ad is deceitful or not is a matter of opinion. I thought it was quite effective myself. Maybe it's just being taken out of context or
being misinterpreted..
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 07:02 PM by teoui
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There are two issues here related to each other but neither an imposition on free speech: First, the use of a copyrighted excerpt of Katie Couric but
in misleading and unfair use as opposed to "fair use." Second, the invasion of privacy rights of Couric by commercially using her image and
statements without permission or payment.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 07:11 PM by LLoyd45
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Originally posted by teoui
There are two issues here related to each other but neither an imposition on free speech: First, the use of a copyrighted excerpt of Katie Couric but
in misleading and unfair use as opposed to "fair use." Second, the invasion of privacy rights of Couric by commercially using her image and
statements without permission or payment.
Has there been any legal determinations made on this matter, or is this just supposition? I'd be interested in hearing what both sides have to say on
the matter.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 07:19 PM by ZindoDoone
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Privacy is one thing. Use of image without permission or remuneration is quite another. People who are in the limelite are not protected if pictures
are taken without permission and posted. However, what was posted (images and audio) was protected by copywrite protections and might just be illegal
to use in such a manner! I think that intent would also come under scrutiny. If this is used as political satire then things might be legal. Sure is a
hodgepodge of problems here,LOL!!
Zindo
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 07:52 PM by teoui
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privacy is the legal term for the right to not have your image used without permission or renumeration. there are exceptions but the related issue
of copyright takes this out of the dimension of free speech.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 09:05 PM by Amaterasu
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I think the network was not "playing favorites." From the sounds of it, the ad-makers used footage that was irrelevant in a way that suggested
something was being said (about the Obama/Palin issue) by one of theirs, and that just was not true.
I don't like Obama. I don't like McCain, either. The issue is NOT censorship. It is misuse of footage.
Meanwhile, I am voting for Ron Paul.
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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 09:09 PM by Matrix1111
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Originally posted by ZindoDoone
Look like censorship is rampant at all levels...even here on ATS!!! Realy makes you wonder just what it is everyone is afraid of in the political
arena??
Zindo 
I was wondering the same thing, but wasn't going to say anything. You know what I mean?
;-)
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