why do all of you hate america... the thread

reply to post by jpm1602


All you have done is simply prove my entire point

Thankyou for your generosity.

And you still haven't answered my question........

[edit on 16/9/2008 by Kryties]

Oh, I've proven everthing I intended my little northerly unencumbered friend.

I'd up your sunblock. I think that ozone hole is affecting you.

reply to post by Kryties


"And you still haven't answered my question........"

What is the question? (I'm just trying to keep track of things)

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by jpm1602

 

I am not sure what part of my above posts refer to generalisations. Could you point them out?

And these aren't generalisations?
Originally posted by jpm1602

Kry, you mean you don't all have dingos tied up in the yard?

And save me a few shrimp on the barbie.

It was only on the last page dude

reply to post by Kryties


more specifically - Which of the three questions are you referring to?

don't be so smug.

reply to post by TruthTellist


OK, I was not being smug. I was simply pointing out that you could have read the previous page and found the answer to your question. But seeing as though you could not be bothered doing that I shall point it out again....

I am not sure what part of my above posts refer to generalisations. Could you point them out?

I'm sure you are quite capable of finding the post I am referring to, being the one above the post I asked the question in. I can understand if it was 4 or 5 pages back but its on the 2nd last page dude.

I have the feeling I am being attacked for speaking the truth here.....

Smug indeed. pffffffft.




[edit on 16/9/2008 by Kryties]

Originally posted by euclid
reply to post by scrambledeggs

 

I've read a lot of the posts to those who replied and expressed why they hate america. And this post is directed at them:

All you who hate the USA can just go choke yourselves. The reason you all hate the USA is because we are the pinnacle of the current civilization on this planet. We are the top of the food chain in regards to geo-politics, geo-economics, private research & development, business enterprise and military might. Any person or organization that rises to the top is always attacked from all sides. Look at one of the USA's most successful company's - Microsoft. The largest and most profitable corporation in the world, the creator of the most utilized operating system for personal computers on the planet. And then there is Intel, AMD, Apple, McDonalds, Boeing, Lockheed, DARPA. We come up with the best gizmos because the USA generates the best and attracts the best. And we're charitable too. The USA provides billions of dollars per year to developing nations and millions of tons of food, technology support, military support, disaster relief all around the planet.

And this is the thanks we get. Knotheads who hate us. You all hate the USA because we strive to be the best, because we are the best and we produce the best and because the best from other countries come here to be the best because they are stifled by the constraints of the homeland governments. You're all jealous and sore losers.

Well I hate you. And know this; if the USA is attacked we will retaliate, no matter who is in office; and then the end of your world will be on you. If we are taken down then we will take all of you, who hate the USA, with us. Nothing can save you from a united people. We will put aside our differences (temporarily) if attacked and destroy any nation that even looks like it was involved.

-Euclid

CALM DOWN DEAR and take a deep breath ,your beginning to sound like an Islamic fundamentalist.Nobody really hates anybody,it's all about perception really in my opinion.For example,I'm English.Now in the media(films etc ,news)we English are portrayed as upper class twits or Queen worshiping,Empire loving patriots.Does that really represent all the people of England?No,far ,far from it.The upper classes are a tiny minority comparatively and lots of people would happily wave goodbye to the Queen and hello to a republic.Our upper classes do not represent the opinions of the vast majority of English people just like Americas rich and powerful and those who hold positions of power don't reflect the feelings of the body of the nation.America is physically vast compared to alot of countries and could be considered alot of seperate countries formed into one nation.Because of this and lot's of other factors opinions and politics can be extreme.Anyway,just quickly-USA-good things-the idea that anyone can be successful if they work hard(ie,not restricted by class)dynamism(yes,there is an upside to capitalism),bad things-lack of health care for alot of people,poverty,fundamentalist Christians,all the evil perpetrated by the CIA globally and lack of proper news about the rest of the world.There's alot more for both columns but it would go on too long.Finally ,nobody expects you to be the World Police,more like the bobby in the village station who can be called on when extra man power is needed,thanks for reading and have a nice day.

Originally posted by Ebaneeza
My father was murdered by the US funded IRA in the Birmingham pub bombings, the US funded and armed them knowing that their targets were primarily innocent people going about their day, of a so called allied country.

Really,really sorry to hear about this.I know someone who was blown up in the Harrod's bomb.Three times i lived in cities where IRA bombs have been detonated.Terrible,truly terrible.You have my sympathies Ebaneeza.Candy

reply to post by Kryties


"I have the feeling I am being attacked for speaking the truth here..... "

Would you please be a little more specific as to which Truth you are telling. That would be really helpful.

WHOA! Jumping to conclusions a bit, aren't we? I know there's a lot of American made anti-America posts, but there is a big difference from anti-america and calling out your own country for their mistakes. I think defending the foundations of your country is a major part of patriotism.

I for one LOVE my country, and by that I mean the land i live on and the freedoms it provides me.

But, lately, there's been a problem. A lot of these freedoms are slowly and methodically being taken. We still, thank God, have the ability to respond to threads like these without being put into prison camps. How awesome is that? Our freedoms are still exponential. But right now people are afraid that the very start of losing things like Habeus Corpus (sp?) are just the beginning of a much larger situation.

I think it will all be okay. I don't think we'll be a super-power forever, but thus is the way of the world. Right now we're doin' pretty well, better than it seems that's for sure. We aren't at our best, actually we're at one of our lowest points SINCE we became a super power, but we're still doing rather well. It's not like we're a third world country.

The real problem comes, I believe, in the sense that we've become far to self-consuming. We're eating ourselves from the inside-out. There's a lot of things that need to be fixed in order for us to maintain success, and people aren't happy about that. They want everything to be in order. Unless we have a Utopia a lot of people will always be upset...what are the odds of at THAT working out?

I think most people, at the heart of it, love their country. But a big part of loving your country is questioning it's decisions and motives, I believe. Nobody should follow blindly, that's what destroys nations.

reply to post by candyfloss


Most English people I've met,(I'm American) at parties or at dinner or what have you, say the same things you're saying. It's a view that I've always had, and it always make me happy to see more people saying it. Too many people aren't aware of the point you've made.

Originally posted by stonespiral
reply to post by candyfloss

 

Most English people I've met,(I'm American) at parties or at dinner or what have you, say the same things you're saying. It's a view that I've always had, and it always make me happy to see more people saying it. Too many people aren't aware of the point you've made.

Well,to give you a quick idea about why I say these is points is that I'm really a newie to conspiracy forums etc and I've vented all my anti- american feelings previously here and in other places.But it struck me that ,in the grand scheme of things,it's abit of a waste of time and really we should all be uniting against our common problems/challenges now and like I said it's not the people themselves that are the problems-it's how they've been taught to think by whoever/whatever.English/British people can be just as brainwashed as Americans can about love for their nation-it's bollocks really and like I said a waste of time.This is'nt a critique of the OP,I think they asked a valid question but I say forget the past and who did what.Let's start thinking about what we need to do right now and in the future to protect our rights ,our democracies,our freedoms and our lives.We need to unite,be brave and fight for what we fundamentally believe is right in today's world.

reply to post by kettlebellysmith
[mo
Ok none of you have any idea what you are talking about on thr subject of rude or mean americans sorry.First of all I have been a bouncer/licensed security guard,in Manhattan for 15 years.I am 32 years old.I have worked 5 days a week pretty much every week for that long.Thats roughly 1000 people total every week thats literally HUDRED's of THOUSANDS of people over the course of my lifetime.And the people are split beetween new yorkers,out of towners AND tourists alike.You want to know what the number one comment is by tourists and folks from out of state is?They cannot believe how friendly and helpful people from New York city are,and youm know what,they are absulutely right.New Yorkers are always willing to help out they are not rude or mean they are just BUSY.Catch them when a work day is over and you will find this is true.After 9/11 there were tens of thousands of people lined up waiting to help,they were literally asked to leave because they were in the way.Zombiegirl do us rude,drunken Northerners a favor ok dont try to stick up for the country you're only making us look worse.You say you're from Canada eh?Guess what Canada who now lives in the southern united states ,as a bouncer I ave had some of my
WORST experiences with guys and girls from the south and probably the biggest brawls i have ever had was with a bunch of young canadian hockey leaguers looking for a fight,i tore my ACL in that fight so lets just chill with the self- righteousness ok?,you guys get drunk unruly and start fights,but you know what thats ok,its a bar and thats what happens,you cant judge americans that come up to canada to drink and get wasted just like i cant blame southerners or canadians because of my experiences.
Dunwichwhich
"I know an African who came with his family from a war torn Nigeria, where death squads came into villages and murdered everybody who did not join them, yet he wished to go back and thought that America made no sense at all. "I am very tired of this. In my home country, I worked one job four days a week and I could support my family. Here, I work two jobs overtime and can barely afford to do so." He said something along the lines of this one time. I joked with him and said "Ahhhhh the American Dream at work, my friend!"
An African,as in ONE african,i guess you feel he represents most people who come here from other countries for a better life only to escape back to where they came from because this country is so horrible.Yeah ok.You dont even believe that.Check ANY embassy in ANY part of the world and see how many people are lined up to come to America,now do the opposite and see how many Americans are lined up to go to other countries to "escape" from America.This isnt an "America is better than you" it is a fact plain and simple.No one is saying America is better than any other place but I am tired of everyone including fellow american citizens DUMPING on us.DUMPING on a country that has done more for the rest of the world than any other country COMBINED.(another fact)Of coursen this country can be doing better of course we are not perfect and of course the war was handled poorly none of this has anything to do with the fact that as much as we have messed up as a nation,it could be alot worse.Try to imagine a world where the United States never existed,none of us would be on this website exercising our freedom of speech. So that people like Scientist can talk how much they dislike americans, and the american government, and american companies. Even though they themselves are Americans whose parents probably worked for American companies.You know another great thing about america?You can leave if you want to unlike some other countries.By the way plenty of other countries have beautiful landscapes now what I'm sayin Scientist?

I am a Canadian living in the UK. The British government kisses the President's ass. The Brits are so badly educated they think the US saved Europe in WW2, when in fact The Canadians and Australians were over here at the outbreak in 1939 and the US didn't show up until after Pearl Harbour.

Why proud to be American? When nearly 35 million Americans don't have accessible health care, when Americans are still dying from noxious substances after the collapse of the Twin Towers, when you are still taught that Lee Harvey Oswald killed John Kennedy, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident is Fact, not Fiction - I could go on.

The US is a bunch of cultural and economic thugs.

Andrea in UK

Originally posted by Kryties
simple example is given by a member here who posted that he/she wanted the date stamp on ATS postings to be in 'Standard' format, meaning American format. You honestly think that your formats are the worlds standards? Like I said that was just a small example of what I am talking about.

WoW

Are you kidding me dude??

I didn't want the format to be "American Format" or "Standard Format"!

I wanted to understand why I didn't understand my current format. I was ignorant of the differences in the Worlds' date formats. I acknowledged this in that very thread!

Whatever guy. If that's an "example" of what you're saying then I can't really give much credence to the rest of your words. I think you are forcing this "American Attitude". I think you are seeing what you want to see.

[edit on 16-9-2008 by Lucid Lunacy]

CommentColumnistsIndia KnightMY PROFILE SHOP JOBS PROPERTY CLASSIFIEDSFrom The Sunday TimesSeptember 14, 2008

The funny thing is Brand let America off lightlyIndia Knight
The comedian Russell Brand, who is candid about the fact that his ambition is even bigger than his enormous nesty hair, presented the MTV video music awards last week. The show goes out live and is a very big deal in America, where Brand is, or was, largely unknown; it was watched this year by 8.4m people.

During his opening speech, he urged viewers to vote for Barack Obama, adding that though Americans were clearly open-minded people, since they’d let “that retarded cowboy fella” do his thing for eight years (“in Britain, we wouldn’t trust him with a pair of scissors”), it might be time to “let someone else have a go”. He went on to make jokes about Sarah Palin and about the “purity rings” worn by the Jonas Brothers, a wholesome teenage band who like to advertise their virginity through the wearing of jewellery – jewel-assisted virginity being, presumably, superior to the ordinary kind. (It’s only a matter of time before some American pop star broadcasts her sexual innocence by means of a huge, clanking chastity belt.)

Brand is a stand-up comedian, so he stood up and made jokes. Since he is a comedian rather than a children’s entertainer, the jokes had some edge, though his humour is observational and absurd rather than vicious: he doesn’t do great bitchy tirades. The jokes were funny, and were made funnier still by the nonplussed reaction of parts of the audience. He’s making jokes about our president! He’s making jokes about sex! He’s teasing the little Christian singers! He’s a Brit!

Never mind that this material was Brand Lite, sanitised for America: swathes of the viewing public were instantly outraged and keen to express their revulsion by flooding internet forums and news sites. Their comments were startling in their toxicity, taking in everything from Brand’s appearance – he’s a plain-looking fellow, apparently – to his heroin habit (he’s been free of drugs since 2003) to how he isn’t funny to Christian people, ergo needs to be hunted and shot. There was also lots of chippiness about how the UK is a “Third World country” and nobody in the US cares about it or anybody it has ever produced (um . . . Mayflower? Plymouth Rock? Oh, never mind). Television news and entertainment channels talked of nothing else for days, editorials were written, the blogosphere went mad: you get the picture.

America is so odd. They’re not weird in New York, or in California, and I know vast swathes of the country are packed to the gills with charming, lovely, clever people. They produce brilliant stand-up comedians themselves, and make some of the world’s best television and cinema. They have writers and actors and musicians of genius; the cliché about America being culturally barren is untrue. But you do worry about the rest of the populace when they threaten to do physical harm to a comedian for daring to suggest that Dubya, the least popular president in modern American history, doesn’t perhaps come across as being quite the full shilling. The vociferous commentators on MTV’s website can’t all have been fiftysomething Republicans whose sensibilities had been offended; they must have included a proportion of MTV’s viewers, broadly aged 16-24. How is it possible for young people to be so reactionary?

The issue seemed to be a) that non-Americans have no right to express any kind of opinion about the world’s only remaining superpower; b) that it’s not nice to say “retarded” (which it isn’t, especially, but– and I say this as the mother of a child with special needs – it is surely a matter of context. Besides, Americans like nothing better than the word “spaz”, so frankly we’re splitting hairs); c) that there’s nothing funny or odd about chastity rings (except there is: they’re completely absurd). This third point is especially peculiar given America’s vast, bottomless appetite for pornography, to say nothing of its fondness for sexualising female children: see the country’s tradition of toddler beauty queens in 3in heels and pancake. Britney Spears, the other star of this year’s VMAs, became America’s sweetheart at 17 by grinding and pouting while wearing a micro school uniform and her hair in bunches. Then she went a bit mad – gee, I wonder why – and America hated her for being fallible and human. The bile directed at Brand is nothing compared with the venom poor Spears endured for years. Then she looked hot again, so everything was fine.

I interviewed Brand last month; he was about to go back to LA for these awards. He was charming and bright, cerebral as well as motor-mouthed. He felt a certain trepidation about the VMAs, being fully aware that presenting them would catapult him into the American consciousness overnight. The awards haven’t done his US profile any harm: viewing figures were up 19% this year and MTV has asked him to host again next year. But his friend David Baddiel told me on Friday: “I think he was maybe a little surprised by the level of rage. He said he could imagine feeling that angry only if someone said something about his mum. What’s bizarre is that his remarks would be considered tepid in this country – it’s a massively disproportionate response to someone saying something very mildly out of turn.” Baddiel added that the script would have been checked by MTV, “which means you got maybe 10% of what he’d have liked to have said – he was operating at a fraction of his taboo-busting capabilities”.

The whole episode is like a parable about the differences between the US and the UK: so much common ground and yet such oceans between us. It isn’t about whether you find Brand funny or not: there’s always the “off” switch. It’s about the peculiar contradictions that seem to define modern America: the love of free speech and pride in democracy, coupled with bottomless abuse for anyone who has the temerity to voice dissent. The devotion to the flag, in people who strike some of us as trying their hardest to make the world dislike America. The sanctification of sexual purity versus the insatiable appetite for porn. And, above all, the sanctimony.

The only way of dealing with that kind of mindset is to joke about it, which is what Brand did. I’m glad of it: his performance was a useful reminder that sometimes jokes aren’t only funny, but necessary.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by Kryties
simple example is given by a member here who posted that he/she wanted the date stamp on ATS postings to be in 'Standard' format, meaning American format. You honestly think that your formats are the worlds standards? Like I said that was just a small example of what I am talking about.

WoW

Are you kidding me dude??

Dude it was only meant as a

simple example

ie: a generalised example. I never intended to name anyone, nor was it actually in direct reference to your particular reasoning. Perhaps I could have used a better example but I was rushed and had to think quickly.

Look. I can see a lot of people are offended by what I have said. The simple fact is, however, that while I have met many Americans who are nice people and I have no particular problem with, I have also met and spoken to many many complete morons. People such as the genius who wrote this.....

All you who hate the USA can just go choke yourselves. The reason you all hate the USA is because we are the pinnacle of the current civilization on this planet. We are the top of the food chain in regards to geo-politics, geo-economics, private research & development, business enterprise and military might.

I cannot tell you how many things are wrong with that statement. I wouldn't know where to begin. And this is just one of many examples from this thread alone. As a non-American it's moronic, ignorant statements like this that anger and disgust me to my very core.

Originally posted by JonathanNicholas
reply to post by kettlebellysmith
[mo
They cannot believe how friendly and helpful people from New York city are,and youm know what,they are absulutely right.New Yorkers are always willing to help out they are not rude or mean they are just BUSY.

I've been to NYC, and they were probably telling you that so you don't mug them.

Edit: It was just a joke...

[edit on 16-9-2008 by TheHunted]

I love my country, heck I even served for it. But that does not make its current state out to be what others wish it would be. We all wish it was this great almighty country. The arms race and the space race are just examples of arrogance from this country. Or how about us declaring victory in Iraq prematurely? How many people have died in Iraq since that announcement? How about us forbidding countries to have certain weapons in their arsenal yet we own those very weapons. How about we blame immigrants for our financial problems but yet our jobs are going to their countries.

How about this.

Instead of arguing about whether americans have a bad attitude (or more precisely, how they are PORTRAYED to you in your own country), maybe it might be worth considering how americans got their attitude, apart from their success.


For instance:

Many non-Americans (especially Europeans) feel compelled to point out every single flaw they discern in the USA. Not a lot of threads at ATS about the failings of Finland, or the shocking human rights violations committed by France in the Cote D' Ivoir.

And then there's the deafening silence on human rights violations by, say, China. A number of posters have expressed repugnance at american capital punishment. China executes more of its people, (and that's just the "official" tally,) but not a single comment on that.

Or look at Russia. As bad as the invasion of Iraq may seem, nobody even notices when the Russians kidnapped many Georgian military officials---they have simply disappeared. Or how the Russians purposely destroyed Georgian infrastructure at the opposite end of the country from where the fighting started. And Putin has stated bluntly that Russia intends to annex South Ossetia and the Abkhaz back into Russia. America, argues about how long troops will stay in Iraq, not whether it should go to New York or New Jersey.

If Americans have developed a bad attitude in the past 25 years, even if it's a wrong one, they got that attitude for a reason. Even if its the wrong reason.

The US founded the UN. Pays for the UN. pays for every other nation to maintain an untaxed embassy in New York, apart from the ones in the Nation's capitol. And most smaller states use their embassies as a business front here, and demand diplomatic immunity. It may sound like nothing to you, but millions in unpaid parking tickets, millions in unpaid parking violations, and refusal to pay for traffic accidents can set a tone in a city. And that's just one tiny effect.

After the Tsunami that killed hundreds of thousands in the South Pacific. The US mobilized its military---its MILITARY to provide more food in two months than many nations produce in a year. And the BBC and Le Monde headlines? "IS America Doing Enough?" No body was asking if spain was doing enough. They braggged about how much they did, even as US coast guard planes flew them to the site of their good deeds.

But we are hateful and self-centered. We think we are better than everyone else.

maybe it's to compensate for the ones who think we are somehow worse.

People from a nation of 5 million, blasting a nation of 300 million for having problems with homelessness and poverty.

People from nations a hundredth the size of the US, wondering why we don't have mass transit. Why we all feel entitled to own our own home and drive our own car, when we are the third geatest PRODUCER of petroleum on the planet.

People who complain that we interfere with international trade, when we are practically the only nation with NO holds on foreign investment and even foreign speculation in our oil and stock markets.

When your nation is asked to foot the bill for EVERY UN action, when your nation is expected to suppress piracy in international waters, and foot the bill,

When your country is responsible for much of the technical innovation in the world, but everyone agrees that your people are fat ugly idiots, who deserve to suffer, while they have protected others from suffering.

When Europe expects you to carpet bomb Serbia to protect their interests, and then calls you a war criminal when your president does what they asked . . . .

When 3000 of your people are killed by terrorists, and everyone else says YOU must have done something to deserve it, even though their nations promoted the policies you enforced in the middle East. . . .

Maybe you'd have a bad attitude, too. Not that you'd have a right to the attitude.

But maybe you'd just have it anyway.