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posted on Sep, 12 2008 @ 10:52 PM
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Your comments about WWII miss the point, what grates with the rest of us is Americans pointing out how they saved us, and how THEY won the war and how we should be so gratefull.
Can you not see that kind of attitude is a "slap in the face" to our dead and to the men who fought twice as long? Not to mention it was us getting bombed almost every night.
No matter what hollywood says the battle of Britain was won by the British yet even that now is a US victory, again a "slap in the face".
The problem is the arrogance of the US, your loss was tiny compared to the other nations yet you have no problem slapping their memory and legacy in the face.
To come in when you know it will take "minimal" involvement to tip the scales and take all the spoils (which you did, from territory to scientists) and leave us in your monetary debt till 2004 and then claim victory as your own is one huge "slap in the face" to all concerned.




posted on Sep, 12 2008 @ 11:16 PM
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australia have invaded south pacific islands. do you mean gone to war with? details please?



posted on Sep, 12 2008 @ 11:36 PM
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I say the world should hold a peace ceremony via the internet. We all plug our speakers and web cams in to listen and watch. Every nation can destroy all nukes and any other threatening devices while we are singing "We Are The World" together. We could coincide without the hatred if we truly tried...



posted on Sep, 12 2008 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ebaneeza
reply to post by FiatLux
 



Your comments about WWII miss the point, what grates with the rest of us is Americans pointing out how they saved us, and how THEY won the war and how we should be so gratefull.
Can you not see that kind of attitude is a "slap in the face" to our dead and to the men who fought twice as long? Not to mention it was us getting bombed almost every night.
No matter what hollywood says the battle of Britain was won by the British yet even that now is a US victory, again a "slap in the face".
The problem is the arrogance of the US, your loss was tiny compared to the other nations yet you have no problem slapping their memory and legacy in the face.
To come in when you know it will take "minimal" involvement to tip the scales and take all the spoils (which you did, from territory to scientists) and leave us in your monetary debt till 2004 and then claim victory as your own is one huge "slap in the face" to all concerned.


So, if I am to look at it from your point of veiw, what we did over there has no bearing on things. And the lives we lost has no meaning. And for us to be proud of the things we did and to talk about them, we are not to do, right? "your loss was tiny compared to the other nations" Our loss was tiny? Understand something right off, any death, no matter if it just one, in any war, in any country is not tiny as you may think, no life lost is tiny. And we took all the spoils? Let`s see, Russia didn`t take anything. right? No, you only see us as the spoils grabers. As far as monetary debt, are you talking about money owed for war supplies, rebuilding of towns and cities? Ok then, you just wanted us to bite the bullit on these things, right?
I`ve seen many pictures of our old veterans shedding tears in not only our cemeteries, but your cemeteries as well. Do you call that a slap in the face? These guys are not suppose to be proud of what they had to endure and live to talk about it just as your men did?

I don`t speak for the arrogant ones. I speak for only one, and he died in December 1944. Did I miss the point? Not at all.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by absente
I think the OP wanted to hear more opinions from non-Americans rather then people living in America - so here I go. I will provide some information on what is going on in some people (at my age, living in a post-Soviet area, etc) -

When I was a kid I loved America. It was just "wow" - the movies, the military, the culture (Hot Rods, Fast Food, Route 66, American Bands - Music, etc..).

It's hard and not right to blame citizens for their government. But over the years I have a "Dislike Warning Light" when I hear the word "American" - I can't do nothing about it. And, suddenly I don't want to visit New York. I don't care anymore about Route 66. Suddenly, you're not those "perfect" people anymore, with a "perfect" society, "perfect" standards. And this is not based on my opinion - it's a fact.

My "American Dream" is over - because i realized, that it was just an illusion. Because i realized that America is in nothing better then Germany, Spain or Bulgaria (talking about the life).

I am tired of all those "America is the savior of the planet" movies, tired of your country dominating all news channels, tired of your opinion on every matter especially European and Russian politics. I am tired of your government manipulating even my little country (we have US bases as an US ally), tired of your corrupt news channels.

It's not your fault as citizens - but if you get manipulated - it is your fault - and when every second American I met tells me the same things FOX News does - how will I not dislike you?

The whole post in one word - Disappointment


Great Post, my friend.


I guess that's the problem with dreams, and the thin line between love and hate.

The America you loved, as a kid, still exists, so don't be so sad or disillusioned. Please visit NY, and all the places you wanted to go, I am sure you will have a great experience. While you are at it, visit Canada


There are no perfect people, societies, or standards, like you have realized. In any complex society it is more a question of trade offs, compromises, and trying to do the best for the majority of the people. Sometimes this is achievable, sometimes it's not. America makes mistakes, like every other country, but it also achieves great things. The only problem I can see is the fact that America is always under the spot lite, while most other countries can get away with almost anything...nobody notices...

Why shouldn't the USA have an opinion about other countries, seems to me every country, and person, has an opinion about America, and it's policies.
As for the bad movies, don't see them, see the great movies...
America is not manipulating your country, your country begged to enter NATO and the EU; you are free to leave when ever you want(other countries have, America dos not impose it's friendship on anyone).

Most people in the USA are not manipulated, the ones that are choose to be, by reading "independent Press" (lunacies, inventions and war profiteering criminal), or by their extreme religious beliefs. But, like I said, these are, fortunately a minority. Most Americans, I know, live by the motto: LIVE AND LET LIVE.

Hope you visit the USA, and have a first hand experience. I know you will love it.

As for me, I love your country, even though I know so little of it. I have only gone there three times, and haven't had time to visit Sofia yet...
The place I usually stay at is the Rila Monastery (aka Saint Ivan of Rila). One of the best early Medieval Archives in the World.




posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 12:26 AM
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Originally posted by scientist
I love america too, I just happen to dislike americans, and the american government, and american companies.

Once you get over the people, the landscape is pretty nice.


Who do you like then?
Which Government lives up to your expectations?
Whose Companies do you like, German, Japanese, Chinese? And why?

Once you get over the people...
- Ar you talking about American people, or do you just hate people in general?

- If you are talking about American's, do you know every American? Do you hate every American?

Just asking...



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 01:37 AM
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wow...

i left for a while because i was so disgusted with all of the anti american talk on this website. i started this thread right before.

this just proves how many of you ameroca haters there are out there.

if any of you that are talking negatively about america live in america, please, get the hell out. you do not deserve to be here and my grandfather and father did not risk their lives to secure your freedom and your almost effortless existence in this country so you could bash it, and its government, that has given you so much.

deny ignorance huh.....

in my opinion this thread proves how much ignorance is really on this site.
i am also fremenblueeyes.
and this will be my last post ever.
i no longer want to be affiliated with this farce of an institution.

to those of you who supported this country.... thank you.
to thoese of you who lambasted something that has given you something you are to ignorant to see.....

get the heck out of our america.

you should all be tried for treason.

goodbye. forever



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 01:48 AM
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Originally posted by Daniem

Why do people hate America? Read more from the source www.vexen.co.uk...


I am afraid you are wrong on almost every issue.

* Its failure to consult its allies as promised.
- America consulted all it's allies and , with the exception of Belgium and France, most collaborated with the liberation of Iraq. Even Germany, that you refer to, sent a few teams of engineers to remove the mines from the Iraqi coast...

* Its refusal to sign up to joint action against global warming.
- Men caused Global warming is still an unproven theory. Besides, no other country is curbing it's emissions, they just pay third word countries the "Kyoto emissions tax". The USA did not rectify the protocol because it left out some of the most pollutant countries in the world (China, India, Brazil, to name a few).

* Its protectionist stance on trade issues such as steel and agriculture.
- Every country in the world has a protectionist stance. For instance, EU CAP (common Agriculture Policy) is spreading hunger, starvation and death, all across the African Continent? So, what is so unique about the policies of the USA?

*In Muslim nations and Arab nations.
- Again a problem created by Europeans, UK and France, where responsible for the "creation" of the middle east map, and the State of Israel, and perpetrated by Europeans, Israeli's Nuclear Weapons program is based on French Technology...

The first major Arab, or Islamic, terrorist attacks where against Europe (the Munich Olympic Games, the bomb attacks against France and Italy, in the 80´s and 90's).

In recent years the USA wasn't the only country attacked, I remember major attacks in Spain, UK, and various major attacks against Australian tourists in Bali (Indonesia).
Beside, the territorial claims of Islamic Fundamentalist are in Europe. The return to the frontiers of the Ottoman Empire, that stretched to the "gates" of Vienna (Austria); the return of the Al-Andalus, all of the south of Spain and Portugal.

* USA have supported, trained and armed dictators, illegitimate governments and racist and brutal regimes. You have largely ignored the pain and suffering this has caused."

Who hasn't, what makes the USA uniquely hateful in this matter?

If the terrorist attack because they hate the USA, as you stated, why do they attack almost every other country in the world, even Muslim countries?

As for your rant, about weapons, securing oil, and so on, can you point me to a country that is innocent of this? This way I could also give you a list of that countries record, bet it's worst then the USA...

As for Global Consensus, can you please name them so that I can respond?
"UN and international agreements" disrespected; who in the hell respects them? Could you also name said agreements the USA as disrespected?

- The fact is that, being the USA a Permanent member of the UN Security council, no UN international agreements can take place without the consent of the USA (same goes for the other permanent members).

*Commercialism and greed overcome all common sense and thought for the welfare of future generations.
- Those this just apply to the USA, or dos it also apply to your country, and yourself?

*The US contains 4% of the world's population but produces about 25% of all carbon dioxide emissions. Widely known as the world's largest polluter, the message they send is: "US corporations have the right to pollute the entire planet. The people and the environment don't matter."

- This is just not true. The USA pollutes more because it has the largest economy in the world, by far, and a massive population. On a per capita basis, an American pollutes ~the same as any citizen from a developed, industrialized nation. You can't compare in absolute terms, a country with 5 million people is always going to pollute more then one with 300 million. Pure propaganda, besides, I think, that China, that was not included in your "Global Kyoto Protocol", has now surpassed the USA in "Green House Gas" emissions...

Short term strategies:

* Downwind from Nagasaki, people still die from cancer.
-That strategy, that you so wrongly labeled as "short term", saved millions of lives, both American and Japanese...(and Hiroshima too)
Sound statistic thinking, and execution...

* Long after the USA left Korea, Landmines still kill people.
- Why only Korea, why not Chechnya, the European front, Vietnam, Africa...
Every military conflict has long term effects. I would like to remind you of a couple of things, that you either don't know or, more probably, maliciously ignore:
- South Korea was attacked, not the aggressor...
- The Korean campaign wasn't an American Campaign, it was a UN led campaign, with armies from almost every western country...

* World War 2
This one is so pathetic I won't even comment on it...
Just one thing, the majority of the French Population, collaborated with the Nazis, including France's all time greatest hero, Field Marshall Petin. The resistance was very badly manned, and many of them where communist Spanish refugees...

- America's late arrival: So, you condemn the USA for fighting in wars, now you condemn it for not immediately entering a war it had nothing to do with. Which is it? Is America only supposed to fight what you consider "good wars"? So, only your opinion counts, even though you are wrong on almost every issue, concerning WW2.
Apparently, to you, only "your world counts". Since the "Global interest", in WW2, was that America fight on the side of UK and Russia. Your view of "Global Interest" is comical, to say the least...

Good post, I would just like for you to be more precise, name names, and refer to concrete data. I actually agree with you on the Aid Issue, where you where basically right...



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 01:56 AM
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Originally posted by '___'eed
I believe you "Have it Twisted"


We don't hate America, we hate the policies, laws, and actions it takes.
People that love their country want to see it grow for the better of man kind.
Like my third grad teacher said to a disruptive student
"I don't think your stupid, I think the actions you are taking is stupid".

[edit on 11-9-2008 by '___'eed]


Agree with your reply, disagree with your premises. No country on earth, and very few individuals, grow for "the better of mankind".
The USA representatives, like all others around the world, are elected to defend, and provide, for it's citizens and residents, not for any "mankind"...

Why do people try to establish different criteria for the USA, the they do for their own countries...

Why are people such hypocrites, we all, through our lives step over each other to get to our own "private paradise"...The people that don't are either killed or live in trashcans...Same gos for countries...



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by scrambledeggs

does america not have the highest quality of life in the world?






Im not even going to bother giving you reasons why i dislike America, you already answered that for yourself by saying the above and showing your ignorance to anything outside your own country.

Check out the Quality of life index 2005, this is even a couple of years before the US came into difficulty.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 08:49 AM
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my hatred comes from how americans think they are the center of the universe. For example i was watching CNN during the georga/russia conflict (when it just started) and the main thing they where talking about is what they are going to do about the americans in the country... uhhh so 7 americans are more important then the whole of georgia? Also when americans where attacket at the olympics... that got KILLED on the news for about a week, it would only probobly have been slightly mentiod if it where people from any other country.

Also, i hate how anytime an american does something, they didnt do it for themselfs but they did it for "america" UGH i have that!

Americans try to police the world and be its judge, how can america declare the indapendince of kosovo from russia yet not allow any places to join (IE. south oscetia and abkazia, from my understanding they want to be russian so why not let them) Yes russia was wrong about there way of doing this but still...

My .02



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 09:56 AM
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i cant stand america trying to police the world
there self promotion that there the greatest nation
there goverment draging our british goverment into conflicts that dont concern us, im only 18 and have allready lost to very good freinds 1 in iraq and 1 in afganistan and for what americas hunger for oil its pathetic
i dont hate americans as people more just there goverment in genral



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by FiatLux

Originally posted by Ebaneeza
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Your comments about WWII miss the point, what grates with the rest of us is Americans pointing out how they saved us, and how THEY won the war and how we should be so gratefull.
Can you not see that kind of attitude is a "slap in the face" to our dead and to the men who fought twice as long? Not to mention it was us getting bombed almost every night.
No matter what hollywood says the battle of Britain was won by the British yet even that now is a US victory, again a "slap in the face".
The problem is the arrogance of the US, your loss was tiny compared to the other nations yet you have no problem slapping their memory and legacy in the face.
To come in when you know it will take "minimal" involvement to tip the scales and take all the spoils (which you did, from territory to scientists) and leave us in your monetary debt till 2004 and then claim victory as your own is one huge "slap in the face" to all concerned.


So, if I am to look at it from your point of veiw, what we did over there has no bearing on things. And the lives we lost has no meaning. And for us to be proud of the things we did and to talk about them, we are not to do, right? "your loss was tiny compared to the other nations" Our loss was tiny? Understand something right off, any death, no matter if it just one, in any war, in any country is not tiny as you may think, no life lost is tiny. And we took all the spoils? Let`s see, Russia didn`t take anything. right? No, you only see us as the spoils grabers. As far as monetary debt, are you talking about money owed for war supplies, rebuilding of towns and cities? Ok then, you just wanted us to bite the bullit on these things, right?
I`ve seen many pictures of our old veterans shedding tears in not only our cemeteries, but your cemeteries as well. Do you call that a slap in the face? These guys are not suppose to be proud of what they had to endure and live to talk about it just as your men did?

I don`t speak for the arrogant ones. I speak for only one, and he died in December 1944. Did I miss the point? Not at all.


And again the point is missed, sure the Americans should be proud of what they did, when they eventually arrived, no one is saying other wise, but why do you have to try and claim victory as your own? And expect the rest of us to pay homage to your dead heros who "saved the world" when the way you paint history defiles our dead.
We fought almost twice as long, we got our country bombed evernight, killing many, many inocent people and our citys trashed and our loss WAS bigger, espescially when you consider our population.
We gained nothing from winning apart from a shattered empire and a ruined country and a huge monetary debt to the US.
And to top it of we have to listen to how YOU saved us when YOU won the war.
The only arguments you hear about WWII is always because some yank has claimed their loss was biggest and they saved the rest of us, why do you think you dont see these arguments with other nations? Because no one else trys to claim victory as their own, not even Russia.
Its just a timeless display of US arrogance.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 10:49 AM
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Tell this story to our young dead men buried in your countries. You know, the ones that tried to help stop your countries from being taken over. Nothing like giving them a slap in the face while your at it, is there? Myself. I lost a 19 year old uncle (my dads youngest brother) fighting for your right to be free.
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I'm so sorry to hear that you lost an Uncle in WW2 but it still doesn't change the fact that the Americans only entered the fight after Pearl Harbour! That in itself makes a mockary of your insistence that you freely came over to Europe to stop our countries from being taken over. When America goes to war its to protect its own self interests and no one elses.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 12:36 PM
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Looks like you stormed out but no one noticed
Business as usual on this Thread.

Look, the USA is huge in every way. You cannot expect everyone to like that. People will always hate the influence (good and bad) that the US has exerted over the world and if you want to storm out, that is your prerogative but it is also not very adult.

Face up to the criticism. Listen and learn. That is the only way we will get better. It will also earn the respect you so crave.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 12:38 PM
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Again, you feel the need to come back and take more jabs at me. Do you know how to read? It makes me wonder if you do. What did I say at the end of my statement? "I don`t speak for the arrogant ones. I speak for only one, and he died in December 1944." I`ll break it down for you.

1. I don`t give a flying fat rats butt what others in this country may have said over the years about who may have won that war. Be it you, us, them, Sants Claus or the good fairy. It doesn`t matter anymore, and this not only goes for you, but for the arrogant ones in this country. Show some damn respect for those who died. Who cares who won it? It was freedom bought and paid for with the lives of thousnads of young men from all countries. Holding a grudge for 63 years from both sides only shows what little respect anyone has anymore for what these boys died for. Grow up and get over it, all of you, and get a life while your at it.

2. This is for you Mintwithahole.

"I'm so sorry to hear that you lost an Uncle in WW2 but it still doesn't change the fact that the Americans only entered the fight after Pearl Harbour! That in itself makes a mockary of your insistence that you freely came over to Europe to stop our countries from being taken over. When America goes to war its to protect its own self interests and no one elses."

I am going to explain this to you one time, so be sure to read very closely. Your talking about a country that was still feeling the effects of WW1 and the depression. Even after the war started, the people in this country were trying there best to get their lives back on track from both things. As my father and great uncle(who fought in WW1) both said, the people in this country were working their butts off to get some kind of order back into their lives, and what happened? We`re called on again to go fight overseas. As my great uncle said, the president knew the people were not ready for another war at that time, we were all broke and had few if any jobs. People were tired of having their lives turned upside down because of the way things were being run in those days. So many didn`t take the word of our government very well, even when the talk of going to another war was put out to everyone. The people felt they didn`t want it, or even need it no matter what the government said. They were sick of wars and banks.

"it still doesn't change the fact that the Americans only entered the fight after Pearl Harbour! That in itself makes a mockary of your insistence that you freely came over to Europe to stop our countries from being taken over." My insistence? You mean others insistence. Who cares what those arrogant twits say. As long as you and I know better. Did you ever here the old saying? "Words are only as strong as the minds that speak them." So be a grown up, learn to deal with it.

I wasn`t born until 1955, but growing up, I can still remember seeing my father with tears in his eyes, standing at his youngest brothers grave, he loved and missed him dearly. My father always cherished the fact that his brother gave his life for others freedom. And now, this is the kind of thanks any of these boys get. Thank you, thanks for the kick to the head. You want to go for another round?



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 02:42 PM
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I am only speaking for myself, as one little Belgian..

I for one do appreciate the sacrifices made to bring an end to Nazism.
Your explanation of the feelings in the country make me realize why your President at the time would allow Pearl Harbour to happen, because he knew what it would spark.

I for one am gratefull that the USA helped Europe back up from it's knees.
even if it was only to have a market to sell their own goods in, without it we'd be in the state Africa is in, now.

But I'm thinking the USA is now acting like Germany in the 30's, and what's more, they have a much bigger chance of pulling of what der Fuhrer only could dream of, with all their technological monstrositys.

Does feeling gratefull for help rendered in the past have to include total servitude when that old friend turns bitter and starts taking over countrys?

Does respect for the dead that fell then entail not speaking up about the thousands that die every month since 9/11, of all nations caught up in this ?

I would love a strong America if they used their power only when forced to. With great power, you have a great responsibility as a country.

But when Home Security starts turning in to a carbon-copy of the Gestapo, When people speaking up against this are branded traitors, and Propaganda replaces true newsgathering, with even the Supreme Court deciding the press is not obliged to tell the thruth, that's when my skin crawls.

I loved America, and to an extent, I still do!

And I also believe putting all the blame on America is also not correct..

Great Brittain's MI5 has done the same stuff in Ireland, for example.
I even believe Belgium was involved in Operation Gladio, it's been a long time so I'd have to do some research to be absolutely sure, so yeah, no country is perfect. and that includes my own.

I just wish the leaders would practice what they preach. They claim to be Christians, but act in a way Ghengis Khan would have appreciated..


If they ever revert back to their starting ideals, and not be blinded by false media, politicians and greed, I'd be the first to go on vacation in the US.. I think you still have a beautyfull country, and I truly believe if you had an informed, educated population it could be a place well worth loving and living in..

Peace



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 04:01 PM
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I like my country. I LOVE my state. IMHO the laws of IL,CA, and NY have no place in Texas. In fact we ignore most of the religion and gun based ones anyway.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 04:35 PM
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There aught to be several new categories of "sickness" identified by those esteemed international bodies that take care of such things, that relate specifically to the various expressions of "love America or get out" mind set.
This thread, as evidenced by the OP's only response to all the posts, was never about learning anything whatsoever. It was simply a vehicle for the poster to lash out at everyone not sharing his insanity.
Lots of good issues got discussed, but how sad that the reality is, intelligent discussion was not what the OP had in mind.
Those like the OP who have issue with dissent do not do so out of reason but out of what in any other circumstance would be considered an illogical, emotional, screwed up mental state, an illness.
Hows that for a response? Just calling a spade a spade.
Time to move on.



posted on Sep, 13 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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I couldn't agree with you more. I'm tired of people bashing on the US. To me, its the greatest country in the world. My parents were born in India, with minimal education. Eventually they came here and now we are financially stable and happy with our lives. I love America for the resources she has given me. With the education from America, I learn equality, and other things that India could go completely against. I understand other countries could have provided me with the same resources, but I am thankful to live in America because I used its resources.



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