Dems Worry That Obama May Be Blowing It ..., page 1
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Topic started on 10-9-2008 @ 09:59 PM by centurion1211
I've been posting this thought about dems wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth over Obama's lousy performance to date on ATS for some time, but now here's a Politico Article to back it up:

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Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall.

“It’s more than an increased anxiety,” said Doug Schoen, who worked as one of Bill Clinton’s lead pollsters during his 1996 reelection and has worked for both Democrats and independents in recent years. “It’s a palpable frustration. Deep-seated unease in the sense that the message has gotten away from them.”


and even more telling:

A major Democratic fundraiser described it a good bit more starkly after digesting the polls of recent days: “I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.”

Adding to Democratic restlessness, McCain has largely neutralized some issue advantages that have long favored Democrats.


Dems and libs just have to be haunted by all this. With Iraq and the economy, just how can they be behind in the polls?

I guess the answer is that Americans realize that they will need more than an inexperienced and nasty empty suit to lead them out of their issues.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 10:11 PM by MrGrieves
reply to post by centurion1211



So they rather trust a fossil and a hockey mom? I agree in that Obama isn't the right man for the job, but having McCain and Palin running the country isn't anything to be happy about.

I think it's reasonable for people to be concerned about another Republican White House. Unfortunately, most of these people don't look into it enough to see that Obama is no more qualified than anyone. The way I see it, all Americans should be worried about our next ruler, no matter what side wins. I'm glad all of this "My team is better than your team" crap has fogged our countries ability to pass good judgments. Both parties look about as mature as the reality tv junk that's infested American television. Even if your choice is the better crappy choice, it's still a CRAPPY choice.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 10:22 PM by centurion1211
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Same back to you and maybe even more!

The problem I have with your philosphy is that change for change's sake can also be very dangerous. Example, the old saying, "Better the devil you know than the one you don't know".

To call for Obama when you don't even know if you like or support him just because he supposedly represents change (Biden is change?) could easily end up the height of folly. Remember what we got after electing Carter because he represented "change" after Nixon and Ford? History says one of the worst presidents ever.

So DG, please be careful what you wish for ...


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 10:42 PM by crimvelvet
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Do i support Obama or even like him? I dont know, but it would be a change this country and the world so desperatly needs right now.



To see what Obama is for look at an analysis of the Global Poverty Tax www.abovetopsecret.com...'


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 10:57 PM by pavil
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I like you DG, but you have to ask yourself some serious questions this election. You are willing to trust an unknown with the Presidency in a time where we are involved in 2 conflicts, Russia is starting to flex it's muscles again, China is growing and Iran might very well be piecing together the components of nuclear weapon. And on top of that Al Queda is still around looking for a chance to inflict more damage. You speak of prosperity for your children, what about safety?

Nothing Obama has shown me so far make me confident he could handle any major National Security matter in a proper manner. Obama's major foreign policy initiative would be to leave Iraq regardless of being successful there. How does that make the U.S. safer?

For me, quite honestly Presidents get too much blame or credit for the Economy, they don't really control it in any meaningful way, unless they do some really grand/stupid things. The Economy chugs along in it's cycle of Growth and Recession, has for quite a long time if you look at it historically. They do however control foreign policy and National Security matters to a large extent. Who would you rather have as Commander in Chief if a crisis develops?


reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 08:15 PM by centurion1211
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The whole post means what it says when taken in its entirety. Cherry picking a line here or there to respond to distorts the meaning until you apparently didn't understand what I was saying at all. Your last line seems to be an example of that, as your response bears no relation to the part of my post you quoted. In fact it is just the opposite of what I was saying.

I can only ask you to reread my entire post and try again.




reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 02:53 AM by TheAgentNineteen
Originally posted by MrGrieves
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post by centurion1211



So they rather trust a fossil and a hockey mom? I agree in that Obama isn't the right man for the job, but having McCain and Palin running the country isn't anything to be happy about.


Well you sure do not have a tremendous lack of respect for your elders. In many societies, wisdom is of a much greater value than naive ideologies. McCain brings the experience and wisdom that a younger candidate such as Obama could never gain except over time. I also find it ironic that everyone continuously bashes Politicians for being in with some "Good ol' Boy" Network, and totally out of touch with the Common Citizens. Yet, here you are bashing a lady for being just that, a Common Citizen running for Office.
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