On 7th Anniversary of Attacks, Whitehouse Claims Bin Laden was Not the 'Mastermind' of Sept. 11!, page 2

reply to post by Agit8dChop

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IMO, we haven't failed at finding Bin Laden at all because there hasn't ever been a full-scale effort to find him in the first place. If we can find Saddam in a friggin hole somewhere in Baghdad we should be able to find the most wanted man in the world.. It's not exactly like the guy can get through airport security..

The guy has been on the run for years and the only way he's survived is by roughing it in the mountains/caves he's lived in over the last few years. I mean, If people are really so upset at Bin Laden for masterminding the 9/11 attacks then why in the world hasn't anyone found him yet? With the collective technology used in the war on terror, you'd think he would've turned up by now... But he hasn't. And the only logical explanation I can see is that the effort required to find him doesn't exist (at least not to the point where it could ever give us the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks).

The bigger question is why that effort to find him doesn't exist. And that is a very interesting question because of what it implies about 9/11 itself. There are many theories.. But if there was really nothing the government had to hide about 9/11 then why was every single piece of those aircaft confiscated by our intelligence organisations? We still haven't seen ONE single piece of an aircraft that can be referenced back to the aircraft it belonged to through either some kind of identification markings or any other means. And if there is really nothing to hide, then why haven't any of these aircraft remains been declassified and/or made public? I'm not saying that 9/11 was a conspiracy. But no logical person can look at the supporting evidence of a conspiracy and not question the official story we've been spoon fed for 7 years. And simply assuming that the "official" story is true makes about as much as sense as believing unicorns really exist because the government said so.

IMO, If you don't question authority then you don't question anything. Politics is just as well a matter of controlling people's thoughts as it is the real issues. But that isn't something you'd hear a politician tell you either (for good reason).

-ChriS

[edit on 11-9-2008 by BlasteR]

reply to post by Rockpuck

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Nope, the war on 'terror' will never end because the beautiful thing about it (to the MIC that is) is that you can virtually label any person or group as a terrorist or any act or mishap as a terrorist act. This means that essentially this war will NEVER end. A well set fire here or a well placed bomb there and a few hundred or thousands of American deaths and once again you have the backing the people to keep spending billions going after a shadow enemy.

It's a joke. But in defense of Bush on this matter, well, he said a couple years back now, roughly a year after saying the opposite, that OBL is NOT the priority. That's because they got what they wanted from 911 and now were focusing on establishing a foothold in Iraq.

reply to post by Sublime620

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Okay, can someone please answer me this. How do they know all of these details about how these 'supposed' hijackers met with all of these Al Qaieda operatives? And eventually bin Laden? How do they know the story of how they met the guy in Germany that even the authorities didn't know was operating in Germany? Our intel? But I thought we didn't have intel on this? And if our intel on this was so good then why weren't they stopped? Then why wasn't OBL captured during this meeting that we obviously knew took place?

I read most of that pathetic excuse for a report but these kind of points obviously slipped past me during my mind numbing reading experience. It sounds like a fabricated story to me.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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Perhaps they used that term because he did mastermind it.

Definition of Mastermind:
Source

a person who originates or is primarily responsible for the execution of a particular idea, project, or the like

OBL did not have to micromanage every detail to be the mastermind. He planned it, and he recruited the people. He also happens to be head of the organization that carried out the attacks.

I believe that in and of itself is enough to indict him as the mastermind.

its not news that he wasnt the orcestrata of 9/11 historically he was is and all ways will be a money man who likes to pay locals to help him make videos so he can curse the usa

whats supprising is the US goverment are saying it

in afghanistan he was only ever a money man they brough him in to fund the operation and made him low level leadership and there he stayed under Ayman al-Zawahiri's leadership

after the russians left he did what he did best followed orders and funded stuff

he helped pay for the training camps in afghanistan, the camps trained muslims how to fight if thier goverment turned against them and started attempting to destroy islamist groups as it had done in egypt

80% of the fighters trained were chechen which is how they managed to train thier people well enough to fight several wars against russia and for short periods of time bring chechnia under self rule (thats why chechens didnt start barricading themselves in schools and theaters with explosives until after afghanistan was invaded despite the fact they had been at war sine the break up of russia in the 90's)

bin laden could recruit in the camps but most people were training to fight for thier home land, even the camp leaders thought he was a limp dick and avoided him if possible

people came to him and requested money for their attacks against the infidels, if he liked the plan they got the cash

embassy bombings happened the fbi want to indite him and the only way possible is to prove he is head of an illegal organisation in the same way they go after mob bosses, if your head of the organisation and anyone in it breaks the law your responsible

they build a case with shaky evidence, thier star witness a man who took bin ladens money to attack america who then went on the run with his 3 mil who handed himself over provided the us goverment gave him more money and an new identity

one flawed trial later bin laden heads al-queda the none existent greatest threat to the usa ever

even though he pops up in his little video blogs bin laden never mentions al-queda until 9/11, why becasue suddenly he can be in charge of a well known highly threatening super terrorist group just by saying i am al-queda

even the videos where he runs around with his large group of hooded gun men firing in the air were faked, several of them gave away thier location's and were tracked, after speaking to locals showing them photo's and the filming it turns out the hooded gunmen are locals who were paid to come out for the day cover thier faces and be filmed, they had to bring thier own guns though or they wouldnt get paid

now of course we do have an al-queda, after 9/11 disgruntled muslims had a name to chase, trying to find it to join or learn more about it they met others like them started thier own cells as they couldnt find local cells for the none existant terrorist group

from these self made cells a terroist network has been born its not very old its not super impressive its finding its feet but learning fast ... thank you FBI and your crappy evidence -_-

theres an old documentary 'The Power of Nightmares:
The Rise of the Politics of Fear' it was a 3 parter that covered islamism and neo-con ideas and how they have evolved together from birth to 2004

ill go see if i can find some online links and ill edit them in if i can find them

www.moviesfoundonline.com... links to part 2/3 are linked underneath

1+2 are back ground from the 40/50's untill the 90's
3 is pure al-queda and the creation of

[edit on 11-9-2008 by noobfun]

reply to post by Mintwithahole.

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Irony, makes that 03 tape look a lot more suspicious don't it?

I don't think they've ever claimed OBL was the "mastermind" behind the 9/11 attacks. He was the leader of Al Qaeda, though, so they hold him responsible. I don't think they've said he's the one that actually came up with the plan.

From June, 2002:

Bin Laden aide alleged mastermind behind 9/11 attacks

WASHINGTON -- Investigators believe they have identified a Kuwaiti lieutenant of Osama bin Laden as the likely mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a senior U.S. counterterrorism official said yesterday.

Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, designated one of the FBI's most-wanted terrorists, is at large in Afghanistan or nearby, the law enforcement official said. "There's lots of links that tie him to 9/11," the official told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity. "He's the most significant operational player out there right now."

From March, 2003:

Suspected mastermind of 9-11 attacks arrested in Pakistan.

WASHINGTON _ Pakistani agents arrested Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, during a bloodless, early morning raid Saturday in a city just outside Islamabad, U.S. and Pakistani officials said.

[edit on 11-9-2008 by nataylor]

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